The prophecy about the transgression on the House of God at Jerusalem

DaSleeper

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Arguing with Bible Thumpers (quoters).... Qur'an thumpers or Atheists is an equal waste of intellectual energy !
Instead....post wildebeests.

 

Northboy

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"We": the speaker is God Almighty, King of kings.
This expression is for glorification of His majesty, Lord of nations.



Prophet Abraham had his older son or first born son (Ishmael) from a slave woman: Agar.
Ishmael became the father of the Arab of Hijaz: Mecca and other cities.

And Abraham had the second son (Isaac) from his first woman, his cousin Sara.
Isaac became the father of the Israelite.

And has other sons from Qatoora, another woman whom he married after the death of Sara.

Jews, Christians claimed following Abraham in his monotheism and that he was Jewish or Christians, while in fact he was against idolatry.

So this is in the Quran 3: 67 about Abraham, which means:
([ Abraham in relation to Jews, Christians and Muslims: ]

[The reason for revealing the following aya:]
[The Jewish priests and the Najran Christians came to the messenger of God, and disputed concerning Abraham; the Jews said: he was a Jew, and the Christians said: he was a Christian; therefore, God revealed this aya:]

65. People of the Bible a, why do you dispute about Abraham [claiming he belonged to your religion], when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed but only [a long time] after him b? Don't you realize c ?

66. So now, you [Jews] are those who [worshipped idols d in the past] argue about [Moses and Jesus: claiming that you follow their religion] that whereof you have knowledge.
But why do you argue about the matter [of Abraham] that you do not know;
God knows [the truth about the religion of Abraham] but you do not know [that e.]

67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor yet a Christian [as you claim], but was a "Hanief" [: exclusively devoting himself to God alone], a Muslim [: submitting himself to God], and was not one of the associaters f [: who associate idols or others with God in the worship.]

68. The people most worthy [to claim following the religion] of Abraham were his followers [at his time,] as are this prophet [Mohammed] and the believers [with him g]; God is the Protector of the believers h.)
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a i.e. Jews and Christians.
b And after revealing the Torah and the Gospel, the Judaism and Christianity appeared.
c The falsehood of your words.
d They worshipped the calf, the Baalim, Astaroth, the star Sirius and others, then you claim that Abraham followed your religion, while Abraham was not an associater or idolater, but he was a monotheist devoting himself to God alone, and he submitted himself to God alone.
e But only conjecture.
f while you associated and disobeyed.
g They are most worthy to say: "We follow the religion of Abraham"; because they worship God alone, and do not associate any creature with Him.
h He loves them and takes care about their affairs.

I thought the Book was dictated to the Prophet by the Angel Gabriel.
 

Motar

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I thought the Book was dictated to the Prophet by the Angel Gabriel.

Gabriel (given name)
From the Hebrew name גַבְרִיאֵל (Gavri'el) meaning "God is my strong man". Gabriel was one of the seven archangels in Hebrew tradition. He appears in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, where he serves as the announcer of the births of John to Zechariah and Jesus to Mary. According to Islamic tradition he was the angel who dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad.
Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Gabriel
 

Northboy

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Gabriel (given name)
From the Hebrew name גַבְרִיאֵל (Gavri'el) meaning "God is my strong man". Gabriel was one of the seven archangels in Hebrew tradition. He appears in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, where he serves as the announcer of the births of John to Zechariah and Jesus to Mary. According to Islamic tradition he was the angel who dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad.
Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Gabriel



Thank you. I thought the Book was dictated by Gabriel, not God Almighty.
 

selfsame

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I thought the Book was dictated to the Prophet by the Angel Gabriel.

The Quran was recited or as you say dictated by the Angel Gabriel. Who is the 'Trustworthy Ghost or Spirit' or the 'Holy Ghost'.
He gave the glad news to Zachariah of the birth of his son John (Baptist), and he gave the glad news to Virgin Mary of bearing Jesus Christ.

In the Quran, Gabriel is described as endowed with power and respect and having a high rank before God Almighty the Lord of the throne:

([Mohammed] is taught by [Gabriel: an angel] mighty in power.) This is a description of Gabriel that he is mighty in power, as did He describe him, too, in the Quran 81: 19-21, which means:
(That the [Quran] is the saying of an honorable messenger [: Gabriel.]
Endowed with power, with rank before the Lord of the throne; with authority there.
Obeyed [by angels and messengers] and trusty [concerning the message and the commands of God.] )

>> ([Mohammed] is taught by [Gabriel: an angel] mighty in power) means: Gabriel taught Mohammed the Quran and the Islamic law.

>> (To whom is referred for consultation) means: He is a consultant, whom angels consult in their affairs, as do prophets consult in their mission; because of his intelligence, brilliant mind and his high rank.)
Quran Man after Death
 
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ROFL most religions at that time and earlier had prophets etc born of a virgin. It was a necessary part of the package.

Jesus Christ is the only human being born in this way; he was an angel in heaven, then was ordered by God to enter the fetus created by God in the womb of Virgin Mary, in a miraculous way.


Actually physics suggests that prophecy (reading the future) is impossible. So the first test of any religion, is does it make prophecies? If so, it is bull shyte.

God only knows the future, and He tells His apostle or messenger what He likes to tell him about the future, and God reveals some future tellings in the Heavenly Books.

This is in the Quran 72: 26-27, which means:
(26. The All-Knowing of the fore-future, and He does never acquaint any [of His creatures] about His knowledge of the fore-future.

27. Save only to any messenger whom He likes [to acquaint with some of the fore-future knowledge.])

God says "thou shalt have no other Gods before me".

So- that means that there is more than one God

This is the forbidding of taking the idols, the stars, the prophets, the kings ...etc as gods and join them with God in the worship and glorification.
 

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The angel Gabriel​

Why the Jews hated Gabriel
The reason for revealing the following ayat 2: 98-99:
[Some Jews asked Prophet Mohammed – salam to him: "Who brings the revelation to you?"
He said: "Gabriel brings it to me."
So one of the Jews said to his friends: "I am an enemy of this Gabriel, and I will not like him anymore from now on: why does he bring the revelation to one of the Arab, and does not bring it to one of us?"
Therefore, this aya was revealed, which means:]


(98. Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down the [Quran] onto your heart, according to God's will, [and not of his own accord, so what is the fault with Gabriel that they become his enemies?]
[And Gabriel] confirms [the Quran] that is by the hands [of Mohammed], and [the Quran provides] guidance [to anyone guided by it] and good news for the believers [of admitting them into Paradise in heaven].

99. Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and His messengers [: apostles] and Gabriel and Michael – then, surely, God is an enemy to the unbelievers [in God, His angels and His messengers.])

Shifting the revelation from the Children of Israel to the Arab nation:

[God – be glorified – addressed the Muslims and said in the Quran 57: 29]

29. [We have shifted the revelation from Jews giving it to you: the Arab; because of their disbelief, stubbornness and their joining the idols and others with God in the worship and glorification];
so that [Jews:] the people of the Book may know not [anything of the revelation, from now on,]
[and they should know] that they have no control over anything of God's bounty [to prevent the revelation from reaching the Arab],
and that the bounty [of sending the revelation down] is [entirely] by the hand of God; He gives it to whomsoever [of His servants] He will;
and God is of abounding bounty [to His prophets and messengers, by sending the revelation onto them.])

The above interpretation is according to the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

My explanation, which is also based on this interpretation:
The revealing of the Quran to Mohammed - salam to him - is in fact the end of the revealing to the Children of Israel or the Israelite, to whom will not be sent any messenger or apostle out of themselves, like the previous prophets who were sent out of them.
 
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