You can neither shame or guilt me. In fact I hold no regard for any religion. I only have to look to the historicial facts of these things. But I must say I do favor the dali lama, but he has a all together different message, not that it always did either. I expected nothing more than just what I got here, just another sweeping under the carpet. And you can twist and riddle it all you want, the truth and facts are there.
The Pope Has Passed On
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Judland go have a look at Vannis challenge and give him a try.Now theres a guy in serious need of some religion :lol: :lol: :wink:
Really? You've never covered up for anyone who has raped a child (or an adult for that matter) Yet earlier you claim that EVERYONE knew what was going on and ignored it. If you knew something was amiss why did you not do anything about it?Reverend Blair said:
The simple fact is that molesters are in the minority, both in the church and in the general population. How dare you all act so self righteous? It's obvious you have no use for religion of any kind. So what? Why is it so important to you to denigrate those of us who are happy in our beliefs?
And what about teachers? Plenty of kids have been abused by their teachers, who were later moved to a different school district, free to molest even more students. Are we to assume that the entire education system is suspect and should be dismantled?
Jheeeesh, people. The Pope died, he's arguably one of the best Popes the church has ever known, he was a man of peace.... leave your petty Catholic-bashing to another thread.
No. I'm not Catholic.
I'm going to repost something from another site...
Unfortunately, the Pope just passed away.
Karol Wojtyla, later Pope John Paul II has been one of the true giants of history who we are lucky to have witnessed. While I disagree with him on many issues (not the least of which is religion), he has set many men free by his moral authority and force of persuasion, without ever having a shot fired on his behalf.
As a child, he courageously counted among his playmates/social friends a Jewish boy, Jerzy Kluger. Years later, when elected Pope. Karol Wojtyla grew up in deeply anti-Semitic Poland, the same Poland that played host to Auschwitz, and the same Poland that helped the Nazis with the Final Solution. Even as a child, he displayed his moral character, that of a leader rather than a sheepish follower.
He developed an intense dislike of totalitarianism, though he knew enough to modulate his activities to remain effective and stay out of Communist jails. When he was elected Pope, Yuri Andropov, leader of the Soviet Union's KGB intelligence agency, warned the Politburo that there could be trouble ahead. He was right. Many credible people believe that Andropov tried to have him murdered by Mohamed Agca.
As Pope, he remembered his friendship towards the Jews. He defied almost 2000 years of Church dogma to recognize Israel, visit the Western Wall, and establish diplomatic ties to Israel.
This man was a giant who walked among pygmies. We are lucky to have had him with us for his visit on earth.
(JBG)
Unfortunately, the Pope just passed away.
Karol Wojtyla, later Pope John Paul II has been one of the true giants of history who we are lucky to have witnessed. While I disagree with him on many issues (not the least of which is religion), he has set many men free by his moral authority and force of persuasion, without ever having a shot fired on his behalf.
As a child, he courageously counted among his playmates/social friends a Jewish boy, Jerzy Kluger. Years later, when elected Pope. Karol Wojtyla grew up in deeply anti-Semitic Poland, the same Poland that played host to Auschwitz, and the same Poland that helped the Nazis with the Final Solution. Even as a child, he displayed his moral character, that of a leader rather than a sheepish follower.
He developed an intense dislike of totalitarianism, though he knew enough to modulate his activities to remain effective and stay out of Communist jails. When he was elected Pope, Yuri Andropov, leader of the Soviet Union's KGB intelligence agency, warned the Politburo that there could be trouble ahead. He was right. Many credible people believe that Andropov tried to have him murdered by Mohamed Agca.
As Pope, he remembered his friendship towards the Jews. He defied almost 2000 years of Church dogma to recognize Israel, visit the Western Wall, and establish diplomatic ties to Israel.
This man was a giant who walked among pygmies. We are lucky to have had him with us for his visit on earth.
(JBG)
RE: The Pope Has Passed O
The man was very much in a position to do something. He chose not to, Lady C.
The man was very much in a position to do something. He chose not to, Lady C.
Judland said:
I'll reserve that right for myself and for my family.
I reject the dogmatic notion of sin as evinced by the guilt-inducing scriptures of all Abrahamic religions, those being the various sects of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Therefore I am, for all intents and purposes, without sin.
However, casting stones is not my style.
I prefer to grab hold of the each individual sheep in the flock and violently shake them, screaming "WAKE THE F**K UP!!"
tibear said:
I think it was a few more than you may think...
...and that's just the ones that are actually reported.
That's 5148 over a 54 year period. And how long has the Roman Catholic Church been around???
RE: The Pope Has Passed O
This crap about never saying anything bad about the Pope or the church, or even being allowed to question it is most of the problem, Peapod.
It's a religion that I'm very familiar with and the notion that we should all just nod and shut up is highly offensive. So is Lady C's attempt to blame anybody but old John Paul for his inaction on child abuse and negative actions on AIDS and contraception.
This crap about never saying anything bad about the Pope or the church, or even being allowed to question it is most of the problem, Peapod.
It's a religion that I'm very familiar with and the notion that we should all just nod and shut up is highly offensive. So is Lady C's attempt to blame anybody but old John Paul for his inaction on child abuse and negative actions on AIDS and contraception.
All I perceived from Lady C's post was that JPII was, like many other Christian leaders, pro-Zionist.
I believe everyone should take responsibility for their own actions, Rev. I blame the priests who actually committed the abuse and those who knew and either ignored it or covered it up. But unlike you, apparently, I refuse to blame the vast majority of Catholics for something they didn't do.
As for AIDS and contraception, I don't necessarily agree either, but I'm not Catholic. What they choose to believe and practice is their business, not mine.
As for AIDS and contraception, I don't necessarily agree either, but I'm not Catholic. What they choose to believe and practice is their business, not mine.
The 2nd post, apparently. That wasn't mine, I just reposted it from another site.Vanni Fucci said:
I think you missed the point of the piece though. Pope John Paul II may or may not have been pro-Zionist, I have no idea. That's a political term as far as I'm concerned. I got the impression the writer meant that he was tolerant of Jews and others of different faiths.
Well ladyC you should blame the men who are in charge of the church, they knew it, and tired to cover it up. Was it there fault to begin with, no. But when they aided and abetted the peodphiles they became just as guilty. Look at the numbers, those are just ones that were reported, and you know alot of victims don't report because of shame. Both priests and teachers have a scared trust, and nothing short of a bullet to the head is what they deserve. Their victims suffer for years and years long after the crime, and no doubt a host of other people that have to deal with the person that has been a victim.
I do not feel that I am bashing the pope, I am bashing the insititute that he worked for. And until the day they admit, and try to make amends for what they did I will continue to bash them. One thing about victims...recognition and valadation that a crime took place goes a long way. Yes speak to me of "morals" but don't be surprised if I don't agree.
I do not feel that I am bashing the pope, I am bashing the insititute that he worked for. And until the day they admit, and try to make amends for what they did I will continue to bash them. One thing about victims...recognition and valadation that a crime took place goes a long way. Yes speak to me of "morals" but don't be surprised if I don't agree.
LadyC go take on Vanni in his challenge.Like I said theres one dude who needs some serious religion! 8) :wink:
I was just trying to lighten up the mood Vanni Besides I wanted her to take you up on your challenge so I could watch you rip her arguments to shreds.Its pretty to watch :lol: 
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No...I'm afraid that that thread died an untimely death...
...of course I'm not finished telling the whole story yet... :wink:
...of course I'm not finished telling the whole story yet... :wink:
Re: RE: The Pope Has Passed On
They can neither be proved nor disproved.
Besides, I have no interest in trying to prove that my religion is real, any more than I care to have someone try to convince me that it's not.
I respect your beliefs, I expect the same consideration. :wink:
My arguments can't be ripped to shreds... they're faith based.mrmom2 said:I was just trying to lighten up the mood Vanni Besides I wanted her to take you up on your challenge so I could watch you rip her arguments to shreds.Its pretty to watch :lol:
They can neither be proved nor disproved. Besides, I have no interest in trying to prove that my religion is real, any more than I care to have someone try to convince me that it's not.
I respect your beliefs, I expect the same consideration. :wink:
Geez lighten up.As far as i'm concerned you can believe what ever you want.Just don't show up at my door saturday morning and just don't try to shove your morality down my throat! :wink: As far as catholism didn't they protect the nazis ?
and just don't try to shove your morality down my throat! :wink: As far as catholism didn't they protect the nazis ?You'd never know it by the way you go after them as soon as they are expressed. My beliefs aren't faith-based though, they are rooted in harsh reality.