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I have two questions for you. Not expecting an answer because I do not consider you to be intellectually honest. Yet there's a part of me that understands that your culture has developed your mind set . So I'll ask anyway. "How can you love someone you fear, and how can you fear someone you love".
 

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"How can you love someone you fear, and how can you fear someone you love".

The One Whom I love, that is God - be glorified - is Just: He does not wrong anyone. So He is like a just king; this is an example.
I love Him, although I fear Him, because I know that if I disobey Him and insist on the disobedience, He will chastise me.
And I love Him, for hoping of His forgiveness; because I know that I deserve the punishment on account of all my sins, so without His forgiveness, I will certainly lose. And His chastisement is incomparable to any chastisement of anyone else.

On the other hand, I fear the One Whom I love very much, because I know if He punishes me, it is according to His justice, and if He forgives me it will be a surplus of Him, and out of His forgiveness.

So He is my Lord, and I have no Lord other than Him; to Him I will resort, and no way to get rid of His chastisement if He wants to chastise me.

I love Him, because He taught me what the love is and He offered to me all the bounties that I have: He guided me, healed me, defended me, gave me all my requests, and still I hope for more of His favors and bounties.

The just king: who rules with justice; he is powerful and does not wrong people, he does not need others and he bestows on them his gifts and his kindness; so if he punishes the sinner, it is the wrong of the sinner, not the wrong of the king.
 

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If Earth suddenly, instantaneously stopped spinning then everything that isn't securely fastened down - including most people - would suddenly find itself zooming along the ground at around 1,000mph.
 

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k i.e. We will take revenge on
(1)associaters,
(2)unbelievers,
(3)the guilty,
(4)wrong-doers,
(5)atheists,
(6)the disobedient
(7) and the deniers of the apostles (or the messengers.)

"How can you love someone you fear, and how can you fear someone you love".


he unwittingly answered your question before you'd asked it. His god loves nothing and no one. his god is not powerful if he requires his humans to do his dirty work
 

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If Earth suddenly, instantaneously stopped spinning then everything that isn't securely fastened down - including most people - would suddenly find itself zooming along the ground at around 1,000mph.

The earth will not stop suddenly, but this will be gradual. It will slow down gradually according to gradual loss of its internal heat, then will come ten nights: each night (and its day in the same way) will last for three months, then it will stop spinning around its axis but will keep circling around the sun with one face facing the sun and the other face will not see the sun, which is like Venus now: it circles around the sun with one hemisphere facing the sun and the opposite hemisphere does not face the sun.

The Universe and the Quran 4
 

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The earth will not stop suddenly, but this will be gradual. It will slow down gradually according to gradual loss of its internal heat, then will come ten nights: each night (and its day in the same way) will last for three months, then it will stop spinning around its axis but will keep circling around the sun with one face facing the sun and the other face will not see the sun, which is like Venus now: it circles around the sun with one hemisphere facing the sun and the opposite hemisphere does not face the sun.

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No, but if it DID stop suddenly, that's what'll happen.

If it's gradual, it won't be too bad. There'll still be gravity. It's just that some countries will be in permanent night and other in permanent daylight.
 

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No, but if it DID stop suddenly, that's what'll happen.

If it's gradual, it won't be too bad. There'll still be gravity. It's just that some countries will be in permanent night and other in permanent daylight.

Life will be terminated in such situations of this Last Day, which no other day will succeed.
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he unwittingly answered your question before you'd asked it. His god loves nothing and no one. his god is not powerful if he requires his humans to do his work

God Almighty loves the good-doer and the kind to the poor and needy, but He dislikes the wrong-doer and the transgressor on people.
God is All-Powerful and does not need his humans or other creatures to do what He wants, but they are required to do what is good for them. Their goodness is for themselves.
 

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The One Whom I love, that is God - be glorified - is Just: He does not wrong anyone. So He is like a just king; this is an example.
I love Him, although I fear Him, because I know that if I disobey Him and insist on the disobedience, He will chastise me.
And I love Him, for hoping of His forgiveness; because I know that I deserve the punishment on account of all my sins, so without His forgiveness, I will certainly lose. And His chastisement is incomparable to any chastisement of anyone else.

On the other hand, I fear the One Whom I love very much, because I know if He punishes me, it is according to His justice, and if He forgives me it will be a surplus of Him, and out of His forgiveness.

So He is my Lord, and I have no Lord other than Him; to Him I will resort, and no way to get rid of His chastisement if He wants to chastise me.

I love Him, because He taught me what the love is and He offered to me all the bounties that I have: He guided me, healed me, defended me, gave me all my requests, and still I hope for more of His favors and bounties.

The just king: who rules with justice; he is powerful and does not wrong people, he does not need others and he bestows on them his gifts and his kindness; so if he punishes the sinner, it is the wrong of the sinner, not the wrong of the king.
Okay. Your faith is based on fear. Question answered.
 

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I hate infidels but not women. Why should I hate women?
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of **** intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.
Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
 

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Right . Like a puppy slinking up to his owner .Makes sense.

The foolish rebels against his Lord; why should I do this?
On the contrary, I am grateful to my Lord: God Most Gracious for what bounties He bestows on me, and for His tolerance in spite of all my sins and wrongs, and I hope for His forgiveness.
Why should any wise man be ungrateful to the Bounteous and Generous God? so in stead of being grateful to Him, the unbeliever will be against his Lord.
 

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The foolish rebels against his Lord; why should I do this?
On the contrary, I am grateful to my Lord: God Most Gracious for what bounties He bestows on me, and for His tolerance in spite of all my sins and wrongs, and I hope for His forgiveness.
Why should any wise man be ungrateful to the Bounteous and Generous God? so in stead of being grateful to Him, the unbeliever will be against his Lord.
just keep paying your dues maybe you'll measure up some day

I have three children. I don't want them to be intimidated by me. I don't want them to ever have their spirit broken and paralyzed by fear. But I do hope they know I love them. And I hope they love me. And I know they do. They don't have to do anything to prove it either.
 

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God Almighty loves the good-doer and the kind to the poor and needy, but He dislikes the wrong-doer and the transgressor on people.
God is All-Powerful and does not need his humans or other creatures to do what He wants, but they are required to do what is good for them. Their goodness is for themselves.

Then why did you post this:
k i.e. We will take revenge on
(1)associaters,
(2)unbelievers,
(3)the guilty,
(4)wrong-doers,
(5)atheists,
(6)the disobedient
(7) and the deniers of the apostles (or the messengers.)

Surely you god is demanding the above of you if you are doing it and why does he need you to do that?
 

selfsame

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The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of **** intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.
Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).

There are some websites that spreads such lies against the Quran, to mislead people and impede the progress of God's religion.
Here are many points, and although they are not related to our topic, they should be refuted one by one.

"The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"
Not every male and female: but these are the brothers and sisters of the dead father: God decided that a male should have 2 shares and the female one share: this is according to their age and relation to the deceased father and their different responsibilities in their families and their community; so that if you give equal shares to them, it will be unfair: because of the different responsibilities and position in the family.
The daughter usually is married and has a husband responsible about spending on her, while the son will have his own family about whom he is responsible to spend on.

On the other hand: the grandfather and the grandmother will have equal shares of the inheritance of their deceased grandson or granddaughter. So where is the sex difference here?

Moreover, I ask about what is in your heavenly book of the inheritance? When some write his will for the behalf of his dog and deprive his family, or he gives to one son and deprive the others!

I shall, by God's will, reply to all these points, and in addition will show the defect of other distorted religions in this respect.

Then why did you post this:
k i.e. We will take revenge on
(1)associaters,
(2)unbelievers,
(3)the guilty,
(4)wrong-doers,
(5)atheists,
(6)the disobedient
(7) and the deniers of the apostles (or the messengers.)

Surely you god is demanding the above of you if you are doing it and why does he need you to do that?

God is All-Mighty in His kingdom and will take revenge on His enemies, and they will not escape from His punishment.
His enemies will not go their way: they are the wrong-doers who wronged people and transgressed on them, who had bad conduct and hard hearts against the weak and the poor .. so He misguided them and left them to Satan and the devils to misguide them more and more.
He does not love the disbeliever, the one who is ungrateful to His bounties, the proud on others with his money, etc.