The only real surprise is just how quickly Liberal promises crumbled

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Rich people in power, to them money grows on trees! They never had to scrimp and scrape for a living like the common people. Now JT's carrying on the madness in a grander scale than ever.
Perhaps JT will take the power and put it in the hands of the people when it concerns constitutional changes, or support for changes in any foreign nation, by making them referendum voting only. (bonus points for your pension by voting) For the record, an Albertan in BC is not a foreigner as an example of what foreign means.
 

FiveParadox

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Perhaps JT will take the power and put it in the hands of the people when it concerns constitutional changes, or support for changes in any foreign nation, by making them referendum voting only. (bonus points for your pension by voting) For the record, an Albertan in BC is not a foreigner as an example of what foreign means.

Governing by referendum is a terrible proposition. It has created unstable governments, and shoddy, ill-advised policy-making in several referendum-driven states south of us; it also allows governments, and legislators more generally, to abdicate responsibility for sound decision-making, instead allowing them to blame the voters when things go wrong.

The Canadian mechanisms for amending the Constitution Acts, 1867 to 1982 are already quite robust.
 

CDNBear

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What a bunch of baloney.
You should probably put that disclaimer at the top of all your JT fluffer posts.

The Conservatives are all over the damn map when it comes to the Liberals' Syrian refugee program. Switching every few seconds between berating the Liberals for allowing anyone from a predominantly country into Canada at all, and then in the next breath berating the Liberals for not taking Syrian refugees in quickly enough, is ridiculous.
It's also false.

The Government, itself, let us know as soon as that target appeared impossible, and revised the plan accordingly.
That's funny, people in the industry and the sitting govt of the time, were saying it was impossible, BEFORE the election.

But instead of listening to the pro's. Prince selfie and company kept on pushing it. No real plan, just a lot of bluster and pretty speak to get the fluffers and disciples chattering. Anyone that opposed the massive and risky move without proper security checks, was labelled a xenophobe, Islmaphobe, or "conbot" by the really dumb fluffers and disciples.

Face Five, JT shot his mouth off on the campaign trail. Hundreds of professional aid workers and agencies told them it could not be done. The Liberals had no plan. They ignored the pro's. They spent millions (Much of which was used to shuttle affluent Syrians in the sponsorship program). They alienated other refugee groups with their focused love for the Syrians.

All that, garners the Liberals nothing but my contempt, and vindicates all those that said he wasn't ready.
 
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It's been less than a month and a half since he officially became Prime Minister and the Liberals became the governing party. The House has sat for a total of 7 days since he became Prime Minister. That is hardly time to be able to address everything and definitely not enough time to address something as complicated as our economy.


Or would you rather some half cocked plan be implemented just so it can be said he has "addressed" the economy?

Hey, I'm not asking for an immediate solution, but if he could put this issue in front of all the other glitzy issues that are a magnet for photo-ops, I'd sure fookin appreciate it.
 

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Last night on Question Period the Press Gallery was quite critical of the Liberal policies; the first time they have openly attacked. Does this mean people are starting to wake up?

-It was pointed out that Canada's role in the coalition is in question with our allies regardless of what the Liberals say. Our allies have pretty much given up on any hope of participation from Canada.
-The skyrocketing deficit was held in question. The popular belief is that the Liberals really have no idea what they are spending or how to justify it.
-Media attacked the Liberal's inability to give any definite aswers about anything, retracting and changing any decisions that they previously made. ie, raise the GST or NOT raise the GST.

Mulcair was loud on the number of campaign promises that the Liberals are now backing away from ie to restore door-to-door mail delivery. And damned if he isn't right!
 

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It's been less than a month and a half since he officially became Prime Minister and the Liberals became the governing party. The House has sat for a total of 7 days since he became Prime Minister. That is hardly time to be able to address everything and definitely not enough time to address something as complicated as our economy.


Or would you rather some half cocked plan be implemented just so it can be said he has "addressed" the economy?
You mean like Juthtin's Syrian refugee plan? Yeah, that was well thought out wasn't it. Oh that's right, this particular group of refugees will "benefit the economy" so we'll just jump them ahead of the other refugees around the world who have been waiting patiently to come here because apparently THOSE refugees will contribute nothing to the economy.
 

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Last night on Question Period the Press Gallery was quite critical of the Liberal policies; the first time they have openly attacked. Does this mean people are starting to wake up?

-It was pointed out that Canada's role in the coalition is in question with our allies regardless of what the Liberals say. Our allies have pretty much given up on any hope of participation from Canada.
-The skyrocketing deficit was held in question. The popular belief is that the Liberals really have no idea what they are spending or how to justify it.
-Media attacked the Liberal's inability to give any definite aswers about anything, retracting and changing any decisions that they previously made. ie, raise the GST or NOT raise the GST.

Mulcair was loud on the number of campaign promises that the Liberals are now backing away from ie to restore door-to-door mail delivery. And damned if he isn't right!

I think the main problem is Justin was pretty much an "open book" right from the get go and the majority of voters chose to ignore what was right in front of their face.
 

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I think the main problem is Justin was pretty much an "open book" right from the get go and the majority of voters chose to ignore what was right in front of their face.

I think that Mr. Trudeau was an "open book" during the election campaign. And I think it was that openness, that transparency, that encouraged voter turnout in the hope that we would have a Prime Minister who might do things a bit differently in Ottawa; and, so far, Mr. Trudeau hasn't let the voters down. There's something to be said for Mr. Trudeau's "sunny ways"!
 

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Correction: The Government, under the leadership of The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau PC, MP, Prime Minister, has cut the middle class tax rate from 22.0% to 20.5%, and has introduced a new tax rate of 33% for people earning an annual income of $200,000 or more.

The Government has also issued instructions to public scientists that they are now once again free and welcome to discuss their scientific work with Canadians and the media, reversing the previous Government's position that science should neither be seen, nor heard, nor read, nor considered in political discourse and the development of public policy. (And to that end, the Government has also restored the long-form census, to ensure that future administrations are able to make sound and knowledgeable public policy decisions based on real information and statistics.)

The Government has fulfilled its campaign promise of maintaining Canada's participation in Operation REASSURANCE (assisting NATO in strengthening collective defence in Eastern Europe to act as a deterrent to Russian aggression against Ukraine), and Operation UNIFIER (assisting armed forces personnel in Ukraine so that they can maintain the sovereignty, security, and stability of the country). The Government is also in discussions with our allies, such as the United States, about Canada's changing role in Operation IMPACT (Canada's participation in the Middle East Stabilization Force); whether Conservatives like the idea or not, it is a promise made, and in progress.

The Government has also taken concrete steps to improve the functioning of the Senate, including announcing plans for a merit-based appointment process that will make the Senate less partisan, and more independent of political leaders in the House of Commons (which is much more substantial reform on the Senate than the Conservatives mustered in a decade).

The Government has agreed to launch a national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women; they have even agreed to implement all ninety-four recommendations in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's report, in pursuit of the Government's mandate to renew Canada's nation-to-nation relationship with First Nations. Even the Conservatives, in a total about-face, came out and endorsed the Liberals' announcement of the inquiry (after years of brushing off calls).

This isn't even an exhaustive list of what the Liberals have been able to do in just 56 days in office. When you consider that the House of Commons has only met for seven sitting days this year, and two of those days were write-offs for the throne speech, the Liberals' achievements so far look pretty damn impressive. Looking forward to seeing what comes in 2016.
 

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Seems like the bloom is pretty much off the rose! How are those 10,000 refugees coming?

So the 'old stock' Canadians that don't want the refugees but they sneer when the number of refugees is way below target?

I'm personally happy they can't find enough who want to come over and I have been in favour all along that I would be happy sending money to Countries like Germany who are taking the majority of them in.

Liberals caught transporting planes full of mannequins to meet refugee intake targets

In a stunning scandal which has caught the eye of people from all sides of the political spectrum, 12 recently landed planes supposedly carrying Syrian refugees have been revealed to be populated solely by elaborately dressed mannequins.

Although the flight manifests suggested that the flights originated from Turkey and other regional areas housing refugee camps, the use of Porter airlines to transport the passengers was the first indication that perhaps all was not as it seemed. Recently acquired surveillance videos of known Liberal staffers looting Montreal area department stores of their mannequins has lent further credence to the actual source of the passengers.

“We really meant to meet the deadline, but we kind of fell into the usual holiday procrastination mode, and then all of a sudden it was late December and we panicked,” said one staffer who wished to remain anonymous.

The dummies were all hastily dressed in multiple layers of clothing from the GAP, Simon’s, and Roots in order to hide the obvious lack of hair, skin texture, or facial features. Local university students recruited by the Liberal party to help dress the faux-refugees reported that they rubbed some mud into the clothes and burned them a little to make them appear “more refugee-ish.”

John McCallum, Canadian Minister of Immigration, Citizenship, and Refugees, issued a statement at a brief press conference on the developing story: “Look, it’s not our proudest moment. But I think Canadians will be proud to learn that we made a concerted effort not to limit ourselves to only one type of mannequin. We didn’t restrict the flight to only Christmas mannequins, for example. We brought mannequin families, black mannequins, and heterosexual and homosexual mannequins from sex stores.”

Other liberal pundits have pointed out that the U.S. hasn’t brought any mannequins in at all. However, NDP critics were similarly quick to mention that the Liberals appear to have caved somewhat to xenophobic pressures insofar as no male mannequins traveling alone were aboard any of the flights.

Liberals caught transporting planes full of mannequins to meet refugee intake targets - The Beaverton - North America's Trusted Source of News


 

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Correction: The Government, under the leadership of The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau PC, MP, Prime Minister, has cut the middle class tax rate from 22.0% to 20.5%, and has introduced a new tax rate of 33% for people earning an annual income of $200,000 or more.

You call that good...

Let me explain something to you... those individuals earning more than $200,000 are generally the ones who have small businesses.

So they start laying off employees... or move their money off shore.

Or they hire nannies and have the taxpayers pay for it..
 

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I think that Mr. Trudeau was an "open book" during the election campaign. And I think it was that openness, that transparency, that encouraged voter turnout in the hope that we would have a Prime Minister who might do things a bit differently in Ottawa; and, so far, Mr. Trudeau hasn't let the voters down. There's something to be said for Mr. Trudeau's "sunny ways"!

So what's to be said about Mr Trudeau's 'sunny ways'?
I have to laugh when I hear people praising Trudeau for 'his' policies. Don't people realize that 'his' policies are the policies that his caucus members and campaign managers concocted and scripted for him? If people like those policies then they should give the credit where it's due, not to the puppet who says what he's told to say.
Trudeau himself doesn't have the experience or the intelligence to make policies that would attract people. He's too wrapped up in his own image to even think about what the voters would like to hear.
I think that's why he wants his Ministers to talk for themselves and leave him out of it. He wouldn't know what to say if left on his own without a script to follow.
 

FiveParadox

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So what's to be said about Mr Trudeau's 'sunny ways'?
I have to laugh when I hear people praising Trudeau for 'his' policies. Don't people realize that 'his' policies are the policies that his caucus members and campaign managers concocted and scripted for him? If people like those policies then they should give the credit where it's due, not to the puppet who says what he's told to say.
Trudeau himself doesn't have the experience or the intelligence to make policies that would attract people. He's too wrapped up in his own image to even think about what the voters would like to hear.
I think that's why he wants his Ministers to talk for themselves and leave him out of it. He wouldn't know what to say if left on his own without a script to follow.

...is it not a basic expectation that ministers should be running their own departments?

The "modern" take on the Prime Minister's Office (i.e., that the Prime Minister makes every possible decision that comes across the government in some way, shape, or form) is an unfortunate centralization of power that started decades ago (with both Liberal and Conservative governments to blame), and it is refreshing to see some authority and responsibility being given, again, to ministers themselves and to individual government departments.