The Official Contempt for Alberta Thread

Walter

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Those who think we are going to stop using oil any time soon are stoopid. Oil/gas is the cheapest, most abundant fuel we have and it packs a power-punch like no other fuel.
 

petros

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Bioplastics like shrimp shells and hemp.

Alternative energy we are already familiar with such as solar, wind, etc. ,

Do you have any idea how big of a pipe dream and impossibility that is?

Would the 500kwh required to run a tractor to grow said hemp come from massive lead batteries or would it drag and 1.5km copper wire tether around?
 

Cannuck

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Bioplastics like shrimp shells and hemp.

Alternative energy we are already familiar with such as solar, wind, etc.


I would say that in about 30 years we will be in a pretty significant state of transition.

No, these aren't alternatives. They are complimentary. Do you have alternatives?

Even green leaders like Germany are facing reality

Brown coal wins a reprieve in Germany's transition to a green future | Environment | The Guardian
 

petros

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Even Newfoundland is buying Saudi Oil. All of their product is exported to other countries or as you point out, provinces. Irving buys all its oil from other countries.

A consortium of West coast states and BC formed a "buyers club" that buys the NL offshore crude that is tankered through Panama.

If that is what constitutes "green" in their minds it is time to put out the joint and head to rehab.
 

mentalfloss

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No, these aren't alternatives. They are complimentary. Do you have alternatives?

Even green leaders like Germany are facing reality

Brown coal wins a reprieve in Germany's transition to a green future | Environment | The Guardian

Every country has a different combination of renewables and traditional resources right now and there's nothing wrong with that.

As I said already, we aren't going to be making a full transition just yet.
 

petros

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Never will. Taking food out of production to grow biofuels just ain't gonna happen.
 

Ludlow

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only thing that matters is people having jobs so they can support their families and live a decent life. Build them fawkin pipelines and stop the farkin whining.
 

Cannuck

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As I said already, we aren't going to be making a full transition just yet.

So in other words, it's not an alternative. You just think that someday science will be able to make it so. Gotcha!
 

MHz

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

News Flash: Cheap oil is a blessing for the consumers, the only ones it hurts are the shareholders of the industries that have been taking all the profits to date. Power rates and gas rated for home use should be 1/10 of what they used to be but the desire for high profits for the businesses will find some way to keep the rates as high as they can.
 

Nick Danger

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

I was reading last night that a coalition of coastal First Nations bands have declared Lelu Island, the proposed site of the $10B+ Petronas LNG export terminal south of Prince Rupert, as "permanently protected from development" due to its proximity to the mouth of the Skeena River, a traditional wild salmon fishery. The island is currently designated Crown land, but this coalition pulls a lot of political weight, tribal chiefs, local politicians, area residents and celebrity environmentalists.

This will be a good fight to watch.
 

mentalfloss

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So in other words, it's not an alternative. You just think that someday science will be able to make it so. Gotcha!

Tell me how not ready for transition at the present moment = no transition ever.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

So why are you disagreeing with me? Lol
 

Nick Danger

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

It's hard not to see that the writing is on the wall for fossil fuels in general, more and more the environmental cost is proving to be just too high. It's just a matter of time before cost and the sheer necessity of alternatives bring them into reach of the general public.
 

Cannuck

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

So why are you disagreeing with me? Lol

Because you are wrong. Our current technologies do not offer an "alternative" to petroleum. Oil and gas will be a going concern for the foreseeable future.
 

petros

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Re: Oil export pipelines: Will Canada ever build another?

Certainly impossible for some, I agree.
No, simply physically impossible. There isn't anything to transition to. Plant cellulose and oil seed can't replace petroleum products for fuel and plastic.
 

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The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

Everything is tied to oil now.

Thanks Harper.


The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide

A renewed drop in oil prices due to worries about a global supply glut on Monday hurt North American and European stock markets and weighed on the dollar following a rebound in those sectors late last week.

Anxiety about the drag from tumbling energy prices on global economic growth and central bank policies revived safe-haven demand for the yen, gold and U.S. government debt.

Crude oil prices fell more than 5 per cent as Iraq announced record-high oil production feeding into a heavily oversupplied market, wiping out much of the gains made in one of the biggest-ever daily rallies last Friday.

“The news that Iraq has probably hit another record builds on the oversupply sentiment,” said Hans van Cleef, senior energy economist at ABN Amro in Amsterdam.

Declines in energy prices, as well as a slumping economy, have driven consumer confidence in Canada to a record low. Data showed the Bloomberg Nanos Canadian Confidence Index measuring optimism on personal finance, job security, housing and the economy fell to 52.3 from 53 a week earlier.

On Monday, the Toronto Stock Exchange’s S&P/TSX composite index fell 246.4 points, or 1.99 per cent, to 12,143.42. Eight of the index’s 10 main sectors declined, led by an 5-per-cent drop by energy stocks.

Suncor Energy Inc declined 4.4 per cent and Canadian Natural Resources fell 4.5 per cent. Penn West Petroleum Ltd was down 10 per cent.

Financial stocks in the S&P/TSX index lost 1.7 per cent. Tricon Capital Group Inc. and Genworth MI Canada Inc. led declines, erasing at least 4.3 per cent. The group has lost almost 7 per cent since the start of the year.

Royal Bank of Canada fell 3.3 per cent, and Toronto-Dominion Bank declined 2.9 per cent. Insurer Manulife Financial Corp lost 2.7 per cent.

The close: TSX falls as oil resumes slide - The Globe and Mail