The Official Bear's anti UN thread...

darkbeaver

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Your paranoia is funny.


And since they are at the heart of the UN, I guess that makes my points valid.

Thanx for the help beave.

And since the UN gives said persons a voice and medium to enact their crimes, the UN is as culpable as said persons.


Actually beave, that's exactly what I find wrong about the UN and it's Ambassadors. The only difference is, I'm not made blind and bias by a political ideology. Such as yourself.

So once you've crushed the UN where and how will you set up the councils of mankind? Or will you leave it entirely to the bankers? If I'm going blind it'll be bathtub gin and certainly not political ideology which I need help to spell.
 

CDNBear

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So once you've crushed the UN where and how will you set up the councils of mankind?
The UN can hardly be called a council of mankind for starters.

Or will you leave it entirely to the bankers?
That's your paranoid delusion, I'm certainly not blind to the pervasive nature of organized commerce. But I'm not willing to buy stock in Alcan and wear a tinfoil hat just yet. So you can keep yours.

If I'm going blind it'll be bathtub gin and certainly not political ideology which I need help to spell.
Your posts certainly are indicative of that.
 

Machjo

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Good video. And I fully agree with the principle of one nation one vote and the majority vote carries the day within the context of international law, which means international law itself will need to be changed to make one nation one vote a reality.

What does Canada do in the meantime? One solution I could possibly see would be for Canada to withdraw from all international organizations and keep to itself while still promoting free trade and free movement as much as possible.

Another symbolic move could be to include the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in Canadian Passports, as is proposed here for the US passport:

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Though such a move would be mainly symbolic, we can't deny that:

1. It would be embarrassing for Canada to include the UDHR into our passports while the Canadian government itself disrespects the articles of that deceleration, and

2. It would also send the message that Canada expects other countries to respect the rights of Canadian citizens abroad as per the UDHR.

Beyond that though, Canada would essentially take a non-interventionist policy beyond its borders as long as carriers of this new Canadian passport have their rights respected as per the UDHR.

Or possibly we could go one step further by creating a new world body to which states could join only by agreeing to certain points, including:

1. Include the UDHR into their passports,
2. Uphold the UDHR within their respective countries, and
3. Have this new organization double as an alliance of all member states.

We should bear in mind though that Canada' own constitution would likely have to be modified for this to happen. Namely, the clauses of the British North America Act which discriminate in favour of Catholics and sometimes Protestants in the separate school system, a Bill of Rights 1689 which restricts the monarch's freedom of religion as per the UDHR without discriminatory consequence, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Official Languages Act which discriminates in favour of certain linguistic communities over others including the First Nations, and parts of Quebec's Bill 101.

After all, if Canada is going to take the moral high ground, we have to start at home so as not to become the world's laughing stock.

After all, as long as Canada's laws and constitution violate the principles of the UDHR, how can we then set ourselves up as an example to others.

A good example is Guantanamo. Since then, all US criticism of human rights abroad has been without effect. And until that's rectified, the US will have no moral voice in the world. Unfortunately, Canada is no exception with our disrespect for treaties entered into in good faith, discriminatory laws, etc.

Another possible solution I could see woudl be to require Canada's ambassador to the current UN to promote the UDHR, and give him free reign to vote on UN resolutions in conformity with the UDHR, even against his own country if needs be.