The Non-Jews and Israel

[CUBert]

It is REAL simple.......

The oath is not for people born Israeli citizens, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew.

It is for those that wish to become Israeli citizens.

In that case, the Israeli polity has EVERY RIGHT to demand they be whatever they want.....be it racial, religious, or simply to swear an oath to keeping Israel as it is.......

It is their sandbox (or in this case, rock pile).....they get to make the rules on who stays and who goes.

I only wish Canada would develop the good sense to defend our own culture in some way against the destructive forces in some of our immigration.

Hahahahahaha! What a moron. I always had an inkling that you were a racist clown with your mindless support for Israeli aggression against Muslims.. This all but confirms that belief.
I always thought us Canadians were better than our dim-witted, uncultured, racist neanderthal neighbours to the south, but people like you and others on these forums have completely destroyed that belief I had.

 

[damngrumpy]

Israel is not a Jewish State, it is officially a democracy, as opposed to Iran for example.
Iran is a Islamic Republic and uses its courts to denounce democracy and free thought.
Personally I think it is a bad idea for any nation to ram religion down the throat of its
citizens. It is like Americans or Canadians for that matter that claim these are to be
Christian countries. They were never intended to be that at all. In fact the insistence
in a separation of church and state is evidence of that. In a true democracy no one
group should be allowed to dominate the agenda.
In the case of Israel I believe it was colpy who stated such an oath is for those wishing
to become actual Israeli citizens, which does in fact have different connotations.
The main thing to remember here, is that it is none of our business what the Israeli
people want to do within the boarders of their country. As for Iran different matter, Iran
has for a few years now behaved in an aggressive manner, sometimes threatening
their neighbours in the region. Should we take action against them? No, but we should
be prepared, and at the first act of aggression the world should respond and respond
hard.

 

[DaSleeper]

Since the anti-joos here can't seem to grasp that the oath does not force anyone to follow a certain religion....

I now understand Colpy's response "Never mind" in another thread.....

Edited to add....."You can't teach a hammer to love nails"

 

[CUBert]

Since the anti-joos here can't seem to grasp that the oath does not force anyone to follow a certain religion....

I now understand Colpy's response "Never mind" in another thread.....

Edited to add....."You can't teach a hammer to love nails"

Are you seriously going to accuse anyone of being a bigot when you supported that pastor's burning of the Qurans? You're another racist, bigot clown.

 

[DaSleeper]

Are you seriously going to accuse anyone of being a bigot when you supported that pastor's burning of the Qurans? You're another racist, bigot clown.

And you're a nincompop and a twit "D"

 

[mentalfloss]

Are you seriously going to accuse anyone of being a bigot when you supported that pastor's burning of the Qurans? You're another racist, bigot clown.

Ha! Never knew that. Makes sense though considering we're now Anti-Jews. And Colpy's statement does imply that the state should mandate you follow one religion/race or be ejected. Whether this is for new entrants or existing citizens, that's um.. really really bad.

 

[Colpy]

Hahahahahaha! What a moron. I always had an inkling that you were a racist clown with your mindless support for Israeli aggression against Muslims.. This all but confirms that belief.
I always thought us Canadians were better than our dim-witted, uncultured, racist neanderthal neighbours to the south, but people like you and others on these forums have completely destroyed that belief I had.

My my, spoiling for a fight, are you?

Well, I'd engage you in an intellectual battle, but I'm afraid it would be like beating a man with no arms, legs or teeth, intellectually speaking.

So I'll just climb down into the gutter with you.

First of all, dumbarse, Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race, you do know the difference, don't you?

Secondly, on any human rights scale you wish to consider, Israel is MILES ahead of its neighbours and its enemies.......

Thirdly, you have it backwards....no surprise for someone whose greatest achievement so far in life is not drooling on his shoes. Israel is bnot out to kill Muslims, Muslims are out to kill Jews.....check out the Iranian President's speech in Lebanon last week........as a matter of fact ISRAEL was one of the first nations to accept Muslim refugees from Bosnia back when they were on the receiving end of genocide......

Fourthly, our neighbours to the south are our brothers..........the same people. The same legal system, the same democratic traditions, the same British heritage, the same alliances. Get used to it. You should fall on your knees every night and thank God that, if there is to be one super-power, that it is the United States.

Grow up, get an education, develop a fully connected brain stem, get treated for you psychosis.........then maybe we can talk.....

I thought you were a misanthrope....logically, shouldn't you hang yourself????

Just a thought.

 

[CUBert]

that post was hilariously stupid. "duuhhh, aren't u a misanthrope? you should kill yourself than right??"
hahaha . intellectual midget is a good term that applies to you perfectly.

"Muslims are out to kill Jews". That's a pretty broad statement.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, while i many disagree with many of his policies, isn't out to kill jews. that's ridiculous , there are jews in his country.
he may be against zionism, and what sane person wouldn't be.

 

[Colpy]

that post was hilariously stupid. "duuhhh, aren't u a misanthrope? you should kill yourself than right??"
hahaha . intellectual midget is a good term that applies to you perfectly.

"Muslims are out to kill Jews". That's a pretty broad statement.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, while i many disagree with many of his policies, isn't out to kill jews. that's ridiculous , there are jews in his country.
he may be against zionism, and what sane person wouldn't be.

Reading comprehension 101....

I did not say ALL Muslims were out to kill ALL Jews.........and yes, I know there is a Jewish community in Iran.....but that is about the only one left in a Muslim nation since about 800,000 were driven out of Arab nations after the creation of Israel.....there is also a community in Turkey......

But we don't want to talk about Jewish refugees, do we?????

Iran is the chief supporter and arsenal of Hezbollah......which attacked a Jewish centre in Argentina, killing dozens of Jews. Tell me what THAT has to do with Palestine?

You are not real good at linear thought, so let me help you out....NOTHING! It is simply the logical extension of a policy of Jew hatred........

Nasrallah (google him, Moron)....once said that he hoped all Jews returned to Israel, so they could be killed in one place.

The President of Iran would kill all the Jews, if he could with impunity.........

 

[CUBert]

Reading comprehension? That was an exact quote from you!! LOL!

The jews that left Iran was a result of the violence that erupted during the Islamic Revolution and the Iran/Iraq war, not some anti-jewish policy by the government to run them out of the country.

As far as Hezbollah bombing a Jewish centre in Argentina, that's not accurate. Because it hasn't been proven that this is true.

You can keep polluting your mind with american propaganda garbage, but i'm not going to soak it up thoughtlessly like the masses of sheep in the west. I don't believe Ahmadinejad is anti-jewish, but anti-zionist.

 

[Colpy]

Reading comprehension? That was an exact quote from you!! LOL!

The jews that left Iran was a result of the violence that erupted during the Islamic Revolution and the Iran/Iraq war, not some anti-jewish policy by the government to run them out of the country.

As far as Hezbollah bombing a Jewish centre in Argentina, that's not accurate. Because it hasn't been proven that this is true.

You can keep polluting your mind with american propaganda garbage, but i'm not going to soak it up thoughtlessly like the masses of sheep in the west. I don't believe Ahmadinejad is anti-jewish, but anti-zionist.

Indeed it was a direct quote; a quote which you arbitrarily assigned a meaning that was not present in the statement, thus the requirement for an improvement in your reading comprehension skills.

Oh, and I did not say the Jews were driven from Iran, I said they were driven from Arab nations. Iran is Persian, not Arab.

Once again, I suggest you apply for a reading comprehension course, as well as one in current events.

The Jews are NOT PERMITTED to leave Iran, and live under severe restrictions there:

The Jews ...... have a representative in parliament who is obligated by law to support Iranian foreign policy and its Anti-Zionist position.

Despite the official distinction between "Jews," "Zionists," and "Israel," the most common accusation the Jews encounter is that of maintaining contacts with Zionists. The Jewish community does enjoy a measure of religious freedom but is faced with constant suspicion of cooperating with the Zionist state and with "imperialistic America" — both such activities are punishable by death. Jews who apply for a passport to travel abroad must do so in a special bureau and are immediately put under surveillance. The government does not generally allow all members of a family to travel abroad at the same time to prevent Jewish emigration. Again, the Jews live under the status of dhimmi, with the restrictions im posed on religious minorities. Jewish leaders fear government reprisals if they draw attention to official mistreatment of their community.

Iran's official government-controlled media often issues anti-Semitic propaganda. A prime example is the government's publishing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious Czarist forgery, in 1994 and 1999.2 Jews also suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and public accommodations.3

The Islamization of the country has brought about strict control over Jewish educational institutions. Before the revolution, there were some 20 Jewish schools functioning throughout the country. In recent years, most of these have been closed down. In the remaining schools, Jewish principals have been replaced by Muslims. In Tehran there are still three schools in which Jewish pupils constitute a majority. The curriculum is Islamic, and Persian is forbidden as the language of instruction for Jewish studies. Special Hebrew lessons are conducted on Fridays by the Orthodox Otzar ha-Torah organization, which is responsible for Jewish religious education. Saturday is no longer officially recognized as the Jewish sabbath, and Jewish pupils are compelled to attend school on that day. There are three synagogues in Tehran, but since 1994, there has been no rabbi in Iran, and the bet din does not function. 4

Jews of Iran

And if you don't believe Ahmadinejad is anti-Jew, you are an even bigger fool than I thought!

The man is a holocaust denier, fer cryin' out loud.....that is the absolute essence of Jew hatred. The litmus test.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Hahahahahaha! What a moron. I always had an inkling that you were a racist clown with your mindless support for Israeli aggression against Muslims.. This all but confirms that belief.
I always thought us Canadians were better than our dim-witted, uncultured, racist neanderthal neighbours to the south, but people like you and others on these forums have completely destroyed that belief I had.

ENOUGH WITH THE TROLLISH PERSONAL ATTACKS!!! IT ENDS HERE.
YOU'RE SPOILING FOR A FIGHT, & IF IT COMES, IT WON'T BE WITH THE
PEOPLE YOU'RE SINGLING OUT. ENOUGH.....QUIT IT!

Please read through the LINK at the bottom of every single page of this
Forum titled, "TERMS OF SERVICE."

 

[Starscream]

“I swear that I will be a loyal citizen to the state of Israel, as a Jewish and democratic state, and will uphold its laws.”

Just how does this make non-jews second class citizens?

 

[DaSleeper]

Pastor Jones has as much right to burn the quran as the imam has the right to build the mosque....end of story!

Are you seriously going to accuse anyone of being a bigot when you supported that pastor's burning of the Qurans? You're another racist, bigot clown.

Someone else was right in this forum....you do have a reading problem...,If saying that something is not illegal makes me a racist you need to take your medication soon.

Just how does this make non-jews second class citizens?

To joo haters it does.....note that I didn't call them racists....you can hate someone and not be a racist;-)

 

[CUBert]

Indeed it was a direct quote; a quote which you arbitrarily assigned a meaning that was not present in the statement, thus the requirement for an improvement in your reading comprehension skills.




Oh, and I did not say the Jews were driven from Iran, I said they were driven from Arab nations. Iran is Persian, not Arab.

Once again, I suggest you apply for a reading comprehension course, as well as one in current events.

The Jews are NOT PERMITTED to leave Iran, and live under severe restrictions there:

Jews of Iran

When you continuously say moronic things i'll probably be less likely to read your posts throughly. it has little to do with comprehension.

And if you don't believe Ahmadinejad is anti-Jew, you are an even bigger fool than I thought!

The man is a holocaust denier, fer cryin' out loud.....that is the absolute essence of Jew hatred. The litmus test.

The Constitution of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-administration and one member of the 290-seat Majlis is elected by only Jews. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadinejad. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducation is allowed
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is clearly NOT a government which despises jews. I'd like to reiterate something from that quote, IRAN has ONLY ONE OF ONLY FOUR JEWISH CHARITY HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD! AND HAS RECEIVED DONATIONS FROM.... *GASP* AHMADINEJAD! This is not someone who hates jews. you need to learn to differentiate from anti-jew to anti-zionism.
Once again you've shown you're completely blind to the real world, years of american propaganda has completely obliterated your ability to think freely.
It's Israel's terrorist actions which put Jews in danger in Iran, because it naturally causes hostile reaction against jews amongst the public.

Someone else was right in this forum....you do have a reading problem...,If saying that something is not illegal makes me a racist you need to take your medication soon.

You didn't just say it wasn't illegal. You acted gleefully to the thought of him burning the Quran's and desperately wanted him to do it. :lol:

 

[Colpy]

When you continuously say moronic things i'll probably be less likely to read your posts throughly. it has little to do with comprehension.





The Constitution of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-administration and one member of the 290-seat Majlis is elected by only Jews. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadinejad. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducation is allowed
Persian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is clearly NOT a government which despises jews. I'd like to reiterate something from that quote, IRAN has ONLY ONE OF ONLY FOUR JEWISH CHARITY HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD! AND HAS RECEIVED DONATIONS FROM.... *GASP* AHMADINEJAD! This is not someone who hates jews. you need to learn to differentiate from anti-jew to anti-zionism.
Once again you've shown you're completely blind to the real world, years of american propaganda has completely obliterated your ability to think freely.
It's Israel's terrorist actions which put Jews in danger in Iran, because it naturally causes hostile reaction against jews amongst the public.



You didn't just say it wasn't illegal. You acted gleefully to the thought of him burning the Quran's and desperately wanted him to do it. :lol:

Funny, you know, someone else used to make films about how wonderful the conditions were for the Jews in their land............lovely films, showing happy children, comfortable housing....you know, standard stuff.

Explain to me why Jews are not permitted top leave Iran as a family.

Go for it. I'm listening.

 

[damngrumpy]

The Iranian leader is not anti Jewish? Could have fooled me, he makes
anti Jewish statements almost everyday. He is the water boy for the
Muslim Clerics. In addition to being anti Jewish he is anti west period.
In fact if you let this guy have world power, Hitler would almost look good.
It is alright to argue but for God sake at some point the facts have to
count for something. One does not have to be either anti Jewish or
Arab for that matter. There is so much blame to go round between these
fighting cousins, it should appear obvious to the rest of the world. Nope,
everyone picks a side and be damned what the truth may point out, we
could never agree on anything, that is the problem with the middle east

 

[CUBert]

Ahmadinejad is a nut job, but he isn't anti-jewish. He's anti-zionist.

 

[DaSleeper]

You didn't just say it wasn't illegal. You acted gleefully to the thought of him burning the Quran's and desperately wanted him to do it. :lol:

Pls show me the post where I acted gleefully(unless you have a camera in my computer room):lol:...and anyway that thread is long gone...now quit sidetracking you quran loving joo hater...........

Seems like your best argument is a thumbs down

 

[Machjo]

The Non-Jews and Israel

There is world condemnation against the state of Israel for trying to insert an amendment into their citizenship law for non-Jews who want to become a citizen of Israel

“I swear that I will be a loyal citizen to the state of Israel, as a Jewish and democratic state, and will uphold its laws.”

The world feels that “a Jewish and democratic state” should not be included in the oath and the oath makes non-Jews second class citizens.

Other countries have that in their citizenship oaths but for some reason Israel should not have that in their oath.

This amendment still has to be voted on and will be in the next couple of weeks.

I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that oath as such. It's not saying that the individuals comprising the state must be Jewish, but rather that the state itself is Jewish.

That said, it's also a question of how 'Jewish state' is understood. For instance, the UK is a de facto Christian state with the head of state always being the head of the Church of England. This however affects the body politic only and not the individual citizen. In Israel, if 'Jewish state' is understood to mean the necessity of legally banning all inter-Faith marriages, discriminating against immigrants on the basis of their professed faith, and placing restrictions on peaceful procelitism of any faith other than the Jewish faith, then we cannot say anymore that this affects the body politic only, but infringes considerably on indivual rights and freedom of religion.

It is REAL simple.......

The oath is not for people born Israeli citizens, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew.

It is for those that wish to become Israeli citizens.

In that case, the Israeli polity has EVERY RIGHT to demand they be whatever they want.....be it racial, religious, or simply to swear an oath to keeping Israel as it is.......

It is their sandbox (or in this case, rock pile).....they get to make the rules on who stays and who goes.

I only wish Canada would develop the good sense to defend our own culture in some way against the destructive forces in some of our immigration.

So when do we start the petition to ban inter-Faith marriage in Canada and require citizens to inform the state of any conversion? This is not limited to immigrants.

But back on topic, I do agree that the oath in the OP is limited to immigrants only, and the term 'Jewish state' is not in and of itself a bad thing. It is merely informing them of the official state religion, the religion of the body politic. On that front, I have no issue with the oath itself as it's a non-issue.

My main issue rather is with how even native-born Israelis who are not Jewish are treated.

But hey, at least they're treated better than in Saudi Arabia, so Israel's a wonderful allie to have.

The way I see it if we were to compare, let's say, Israel with Iran, it would be like comparing a thief with a murderer. Israel steals away certain religious freedoms, while Iran kills adherents of what it perceives to be false religions, such as Baha'is for example.

So, does the fact that the murderer is worse make the thief a good allie to have? In my opinion, no. While it's fine to maintain friendly relations with these countries and their people if possible, forming formal alliances with them is insane. And to argue that it's a good idea because their opponent is worse is like arguing that the thief is a good allie to have because the murderer is worse. In the end, it's fine to have friendly relations with them, but certianly not depend on them as allies. It'sjust insane.