The New York Declaration.

petros

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Aren’t you curious why the guy who’s suppose to have shot that Charlie Kirk guy, why the media wasn’t reporting about his right hand instead of the whole guy?

It sure is, in the semantics of deflection and scapegoating, isn’t it? Maybe not in the way you’re interpreting things though, & I’m not sure just how many “wrench turners” you’re pointing out in Doha, but that’s neither here or there I guess.

Define doing a bad job. Do you mean like extorting and embezzling the shit out of the population (?) in order to have those billionaires living in Qatar? Or stripping out the sewer system in order to build rockets to lob at Israel? Things like that?

Who’s gonna run the place? Well, not Hamas. The population is supposedly 2 million people, and they can vote in who they want to run the place, who in turn can hire non-Hamas pencil pushers, and engineers and wrench turners, etc…

Temporary bureaucracy from the outside, until the PA goes through its reforms (un-UNRWA’s itself), and that could be replaced, and with elections, they can bring in their own ‘Palestinian’ people. You don’t think the Palestinians are capable of having librarians or teachers that aren’t Hamas or UNRWA?

It’s also the first time a peace might come about for Gaza by flushing Hamas from the equation. Coincidence? We’ll see if Hamas actually wants peace or not pretty soon.🤞

On that note, Monday Israel accepted Trumps 20 point peace plan, and Hamas on Friday sort of accepted 6-7 points, or parts of 6-7 points last I heard? Is that enough to pass that 6pm Washington DC deadline?
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Activists demanded 'ceasefire now' of Israel, but seem unwilling to demand 'peace now' of Hamas? Isn’t that curious?

On social media, many Palestinians are asking Hamas publicly to endorse the Trump plan and put an end to their misery.

In deciding whether to accept all the plan’s 20 points, Hamas will, from its perspective, have to weigh whether agreeing to a very bad outcome is better than the alternative. Trump has warned that a failure to get on board will cause Hamas to face “all hell.”

Hamas has already agreed to release the remaining Israeli hostages and to relinquish power in Gaza to a technocratic Palestinian committee. If endorsed in full, this would put an end to the war and see the gradual Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, and no expulsion of the Palestinians out of Gaza.

Egypt, Qatar and Turkey have been facilitating Hamas’ response to the plan. And there is huge regional and international pressure to get the deal over the line.

However, it would force Hamas to disarm itself and allow the entry of an international and regional force into Gaza to oversee the destruction of military infrastructure, including tunnels, weapons manufacturing and the remaining rockets – points of the latest plan that Hamas appears more unwilling to accept.
Did you follow the link?

Force Hamas to give up there pencils?
 
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Ron in Regina

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“You can’t set up a government structure in Gaza that’s not Hamas in three days,” he said. “I mean, it takes some time.”
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Hamas on Friday said it had broadly accepted Trump’s 20-point peace plan to end the war and rebuild Gaza, but the response came with caveats. The group is divided internally over accepting the terms for its disarmament and the conditions under which it would free hostages.
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On the anniversary eve of Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, terror attack, and subsequent military operation by Israel, representatives from all sides were due in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to discuss a 20-point peace plan tabled by President Donald Trump to halt the conflict.
While Prime Minister Mark Carney and the United Nations were spouting empty rhetoric about recognizing a non-existent state of Palestine last month, U.S. President Donald Trump was working on a practical, 20-point plan to end the war between Israel and Hamas.
 

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Well, that's a bit of a climb-down from "end the war in 24 hours."
Very much so. When would this 24 72 hours start?
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On the anniversary eve of Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, terror attack, and subsequent military operation by Israel, representatives from all sides were due in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to discuss a 20-point peace plan tabled by President Donald Trump to halt the conflict.
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Etc…?
(YouTube & Jonathan Conricus on Israel and Hamas implementing Trump's ceasefire-hostage release plan — i24 News)
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Hamas’ response stopped well short of fully endorsing each of Trump’s twenty points, including critical ones like demanding Hamas disarm and destroy their weapons, and that it play no role in governing Gaza in the future.

Yet Trump chose to focus on what Hamas did agree to rather than what it didn’t. For him, the group’s declaration it was ready to release all the remaining hostages held since the October 7, 2023, terror attacks was enough.

His reaction, posted only an hour or so after Hamas released its six-paragraph reply, had the effect of preempting any response from Israel itself, including from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who Trump and his team had pushed to accept the peace plan in full earlier in the week.

In a statement from his office early Saturday, Netanyahu said that “Israel is preparing to immediately implement the first phase of Trump’s plan for the immediate release of all hostages.”

“We will continue to work in full cooperation with the president and his team to end the war in accordance with the principles set forth by Israel that are consistent with President Trump’s vision,” Netanyahu’s office said.

Hamas’s response drew a far more lukewarm response from even some of Trump’s staunchest allies.

“Hamas’ recent response to President Trump’s plan to end the war — which Israel had accepted — is unfortunately predictable. A classic ‘Yes, but,’” Graham wrote on X. “No disarmament, keeping Gaza under Palestinian control, and tying hostage release to negotiations, along with other problems. This is, in essence, a rejection by Hamas of President Trump’s ‘take it or leave it’ proposal.”

Ultimately, the response that arrived could have provided Trump an opening to declare Hamas intransigent, and green-light Israel escalating its assault — as he said he would do if Hamas rejected the plan.

But Trump, in looking past the areas where Hamas appeared to differ with the plan, put Netanyahu in the difficult position of either accepting the response positively, or risking angering his top international ally.
The movement's carefully crafted statement - thought to have been drafted with the help of mediators - stopped short of outright rejection and instead offered a qualified "yes".
Hamas lies & will never follow through! Look how many times Hamas has broken any peace deals so why would we believe them now?
 

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On September 29, 2025, United StatesPresident Donald Trump announced a new plan in a press conference at the White House alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address the ongoing Gaza war and the broader Middle Eastern crisis.

The plan calls for an immediate ceasefire, the return of hostages, prisoner exchanges, the demilitarization of Gaza, the deployment of an international stabilization force, transitional governance by Palestinian technocrats under international supervision, large-scale reconstruction, and a conditional pathway toward Palestinian statehood.

It consists of 20 specific points aimed at achieving a ceasefire, the return of Israeli hostages, dismantling Hamas's military capabilities, and establishing a transitional governance structure in the Gaza Strip. Trump stated that the agreement was contingent on Hamas's approval. Trump has given Hamas a deadline to accept the proposal by October 5, 2025, or face "all hell."

Keep in mind that September 29th was was a whole 8 days ago, and Trump has had a lot of distractions since then. Questions about Gislaine Maxwell’s pardon, tariffing America’s largest and closest trade partners, claiming defunding the government was planned, etc…

Today (10.07.2025) a senior Hamas official who spoke to Al Jazeera on condition of anonymity after Tuesday’s talks indicated that the group intends to release captives in stages linked to the withdrawal of Israel’s military from Gaza…which is the same bullshit over the last two years, dragging this out forever.

The official said that Tuesday’s talks had focused on scheduling the release of Israeli captives and withdrawal maps for Israeli forces, with the group stressing that the release of the last Israeli hostage must coincide with the final withdrawal of Israeli forces, etc…

Then way back on Thursday five days ago, things looked like this:
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And on Friday four days ago, they looked like this:
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Then Three days ago on Saturday like this:
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Then Sunday, way back two days ago…
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Then Yesterday, Monday, day one of the peace talks in Egypt, and today, the second anniversary of the Hamas (& Friends) attack on Israel….&…
It’s now officially been two years since Hamas’ monstrous Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which left 1,200 innocent people dead and 251 taken hostage.

The pain of that day was beyond horrendous, as we noted Sunday, and the wounds won’t quickly heal.

Yet negotiators are now in Egypt aiming to work out a peace plan to end the war once and for all.

Hard as it may be, keep your hopes up.

President Donald Trump’s plan, which includes the immediate release of the hostages, would halt all hostilities in the areas where Hamas lays down its arms. This would enable humanitarian aid to flow quickly into the Gaza Strip.

Any normal leaders, recognizing they can’t win, would accept these terms.

Recall that the repulsive Within Our Lifetime, which plans a rally in Midtown on Tuesday, was in the forefront of demanding a “cease-fire” practically before Hamas had finished its killing spree.

With a potential cease-fire within reach in Cairo now, you’d imagine it would be begging Hamas to stand down.

Wrong. “Honor Our Martyrs. Break the Siege,” Within Our Lifetime demands. “End the Genocide. Resist for Palestine.”

In other words, Keep it up, Hamas! You’re doing splendidly.

Western groups demanding “Free Palestine” are squarely opposed to any peace deal that doesn’t involve the dissolution of Israel.
 

Ron in Regina

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So, if Hamas disarms….really disarms, right down to their AK47’s, would the non-Hamas citizens of Gaza tear them apart?

It appears that Gaza is heading toward a fierce internal conflict between Hamas, which has lost legitimacy in the eyes of many Palestinians, and groups that want to remove it and create a local alternative. This clash is expected to be violent.

The memory of Hamas?s brutal acts, including throwing civilians and officials from rooftops, has left deep anger and a demand for justice. Any future revenge will be targeted and long-lasting, driven by a sense of betrayal that will not be easily forgiven.
Is “that” part of the holdup in the ‘negotiations’ currently going on in Egypt?
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Earlier on Wednesday, Hamas said it had exchanged a list of the names of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners to be released under a swap deal, saying it was optimistic about talks in Egypt on Trump's plan.

Turkey, which has voiced support for the plan and joined the negotiations in Egypt, has been one of the most vocal critics of Israel's offensive, which it calls a genocide. It has halted all trade with Israel, called for international measures against its government, and demanded a two-state solution.

In comments to reporters on a flight back from Azerbaijan, Erdogan said Turkish officials were involved in negotiations in Egypt's Sharm el-Sheikh on Wednesday, and added that Trump had asked Turkey to convince Hamas to accept the proposal.
Asked about a potential Turkish troop deployment to Gaza in a post-war scenario and ways to ensure security in the enclave, Erdogan said the talks in Sharm el-Sheikh were critical for discussing the issue in detail, but that the priority was achieving a full ceasefire, securing aid deliveries, and rebuilding Gaza….which is really a non-answer. Those things come after a peace agreement with an international security force like the question presented.
 

Ron in Regina

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Israel and Hamas have signed off on the first phase of the U.S.-proposed Gaza deal, allowing for the release of all Israeli hostages, U.S. President Donald Trump announced on Wednesday.

"I am very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first Phase of our Peace Plan," Trump said on Truth Social.

"This means that ALL of the Hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their Troops to an agreed upon line as the first steps toward a Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace," Trump added.

So, what does that mean? ALL the Hostages will be released immediately, in 72 hours(?) or over the next two more years?
 

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So, what does that mean? ALL the Hostages will be released immediately, in 72 hours(?) or over the next two more years?
Very soon. Why panic now? Netanyahu didn't want them released. This is good.
 

Ron in Regina

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Very soon. Why panic now? Netanyahu didn't want them released. This is good.
Yeah, that’s why it’s been demanded for two years plus a day.
(YouTube & BREAKING: Israel and Hamas have signed off on first phase of peace deal)
So, what does that mean? ALL the Hostages will be released immediately, in 72 hours(?) or over the next two more years?
According to Israeli officials, the living hostages are expected to be released in a single phase within 72 hours. The return of the bodies of deceased hostages will take longer, but Israel insists on their inclusion in the deal.
Very soon. Why panic now? Netanyahu didn't want them released. This is good.
Netanyahu last week agreed to the U.S.’s 20-point plan that would see the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip in exchange for the release of all 48 hostages still held, 21 of whom are still assessed to be alive, according to the Hostages and Missing Families Forum.

The exact terms of the agreement – which Israeli and Hamas negotiators traveled to Egypt to hash out on Monday – remain unclear.
Very soon. Why panic now? Netanyahu didn't want them released. This is good.
(YouTube & Peace in Gaza: President Trump confirms 'historic, unprecedented' deal)

Just over 5hrs until 12pm local time in Cairo, Egypt.
 
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Ron in Regina

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The release of all 20/48 (rounds up to 42%)…
1760011313799.jpeg…Israeli hostages still believed to be alive in Gaza is expected on Sunday or Monday, an Israeli official said. Another 26 hostages have been declared dead in absentia and the fate of two is unknown? Hamas has indicated it may take time to recover bodies scattered across Gaza.

(Details of the deal have not yet been published but the outline is that the remaining hostages will be freed – the 20 believed to be alive at once, possibly as soon as Sunday, while the remains of up to 28 deceased captives will be returned in stages)

A source briefed on details of the agreement said Israeli troops would begin pulling back within 24 hours of the deal being signed.

The next phase of Trump's plan calls for an international body led by Trump, and including former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, to play a role in Gaza's post-war administration.

Arab countries which back the plan say it must lead to eventual independence for a Palestinian state, which Netanyahu says will never happen. Hamas rejects putting Gaza under international rule, and any role for Blair.

Yet to be hammered out are plans to govern Gaza after the war, and the ultimate fate of Hamas, which has rejected “Israel's” (?) demands that it give up its weapons? So, how many of the 20 points that Israel had to agree to fully have Hamas agreed to?