Re: RE: The Land of Plenty
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EagleSmack said:
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The Land of Plenty
- Thread starter darkbeaver
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I can actually explain exactly why we have poor people throughout the world, over-population. To live a decent life like we all wish to have or have, we have to make about 40,000-50,000 a year. However, it is only possible to live this way if we can puchase cheap consumable items. To do this, someone has to make very little to produce the product. Modern economics is really just a system of pass the burden and wealth extraction, or exploit and pillage. We simply live well because we live off the back of everyone else. That's because we think it is accepteptable to be parasites on eachother, even within our own societies. We accept this parsidic situation because we do the same thing. Being a wealthy person is usually a matter of how good of a parasite you are. Through economic controls we purposely create a situation that forces people to accept this reality. We keep unemployment rates between 7-10% to keep labour costs down, which reduces cost for companies and maximizes the ability to exploit employees. Inflation is also precisely controlled so that raises can be increased yearly without paying out a larger percentage of the companies wealth. The essential basics of our capitalistic system is basically it's slavery with a sliding scale between slave and master. We all have slaves, they live in China and India which helps us put it out of our minds. They work in factories making pennies on the dollar, usually making just enough to live and eat, nothing more. Most of them will never own a nice home or a car. They are lucky to get a radio or some nicer clothes. If we actually had to pay them for the true value of their labour, we wouldn't buy anything from them, and our own quality of life would be just as bad. We keep believing that our system is just and acceptable because we are at the top, and the bottom is in other countries which we exploit and pillage at our discretion. This is soon going to end though as the prices of the worlds resources are going to drive up the price of those cheap goods until we will no longer purchase them, mainly due to the fact that oil is going to peak in less than 15 years, and supply is going to fall short in less than 5 years. It will no longer benefit us to buy anything from the Chinese and their economy is going to crumble. Since we have most of the worlds resources here in North America, by simply cutting their supplies of oil we'll maintain our lifestyles for the most part, although poverty will swell. However, since we promised China that we'd bring them into first world conditions, an obvious lie, they are going to attack us. This is just fine for us since we know that their isn't enough to keep everyone happy within our own boarders, and we need to reduce North America's population to less than 100 million. We've known that this would be the eventual outcome of this situation but it profited the rich elite massively by running us head on into a wall. They run the government and won't have to fight in any future war, so it cost them nothing to do this. Meanwhile we got to live well above a life that we should have, which was more than enough of a pay-off for us all to turn our heads. My best guess is that we'll see the oil-triggered global economic collapse in about 3 years, and the war will begin soon after for the claim of the planet. Our plan was never to take land, but to simply eliminate the now unecessary population of the second and third world to eliminate scarcity by eliminating demand. Once the world populous has been reduced to roughly 1 billion, we will have the land and ability to create a sustainable system and decent quality of life for everyone. This is something that never would have been possible if we hadn't taken this route, as this gross waste and product driven society spawned the science that will create these systems. Countries around the world have already selected those who will be sent off to death based on intellect and genetics. Most of the people around the world won't actually die in the war, but as a side effect of it on food supplies, and the rampent disease that goes along with masses of bodies. My conclusion, the current situation is disgraceful and horrible, the short term future will even be moreso, but the ends will justify the means and the world will be better off afterwards. This is our chance to systematically reduce the population, end many diseases, and establish sustainability, and end conflict created by scarcity. It really sucks for the brainwashed masses who will unknowingly go off to exterminate and die, but they won't know the scenario anyways. The steps to create the mentality for the soldiers amongst us to carry out their duties was thought up a long time ago and is already being implimented. My opinion, I'm on the list so I don't really care since it wasn't me who ever condoned this situation or created it, and it was long planned before I was even born. The only other option was population control and heavy regulation in a near police state until the same outcome could be achieved. It's a matter of pain and suffering for 100 years while we fix things, or a matter of 7 bloody years with immediate restructuring as a quick fix. None is desirable, but heh, since when was life fair?
meta4r said:
And you know what it is THOSE people who need our help. However their are millions of people who are living below the poverty level becuase of their own life styles and laziness. It is the people that line up next to the people you help looking for a handout because they are to damn lazy or unmotivated to get out of the rutt they are in. If you work with poor people then you know whom I speak.
I see it all around me. I grew up in a lower middle class family in my youth. I was not poor but their was certainly no money for college for any of us siblings. I did not know to much about how to get money for college because neither of my parents went. The city I grew up in south of Boston is filled with housing projects and I went to school with all types. These kids from the projects (and they weren't all black, there were plenty of white kids too) had the latest bikes, video games, cool clothes etc. We had none. I am not complaining at all because we had much more that they ever had. We had parents that supported us and pushed us to do well in life. Now all of my siblings and myself have kick ass jobs and our houses are double the size of what we grew up in. But yet it seems as though people like me should feel responsible because people with the same background didn't apply themselves. Plenty of my friends did well. Plenty of them didn't and got involved in drugs and today are complete wrecks.
It is those people who are perfectly able to make a living but refuse to because living off the govt. is much easier. It is those people that you should be going after. Not the people who are doing well but the people who aren't because it is easier to head to the welfare office to pick up their checks and food stamps and all of the other government assistance that they can grab.
One black guy I worked with complained about Asians living off what they accomplished. African Americans cannot stand to see Asians, Indians (not Native Americans), Pakistanis, and Carribean Blacks come over here and assimilate and open businesses. They freak when we say
"How come they Vietnamese are doing so well?"
The Vietnamese came from their country on barely floating boats and have carved out flourishing communities in the cities. All the power to them. We need more of them I think.
Personal Responsibility folks.
A great post Eaglesmack, and I agree. My sister and her husband barley eek out a living they are the hardest working people I know. She picks fruit and vegatable when the season is open, no benifits no UI. He earns $450 a week after taxes. He hasn't received a raise in ten years, and his employer won't give him one. Now lets see rent $550, oil is now 800 a tank and six years ago it cost $250 tank. Electricity is sky high. How the hell they manage is beyond me. Are they lazy no, but they could live a better quality of life if they went on Social Assistance. There is an entire working class of people out there that total in the millons that toil a day to day existance.
Sassielassie, none of us deserve anything.
Not even for hard work.
Help ?
That's a question we are free to answer between
people we know.
Not require the government or the employer
or other taxpayers to help you or anyone else
you deem deserving.
Help is a matter for you to help others , not for you
to tell others to help.
If you want your sister and her husband to have
social assistance, the problem becomes one of where
you draw the line ?
For their situation, it seems reasonable that government
or their employer should help them.
And you get the right to force them to do so.
Or, you don't get the right to force them to do so.
Perhaps you are doing better than they, and perhaps
100 dollars a week from you would help them.
This seems hard and vicious.
But I don't mean to be that way.
It's just that your thoughts need to consider
the ramifications for a whole society of different
situations of different people and we all know
how hard it is for the LAW OF HELP to be one size
fits all.
And will we ever trust to give anyone the power
to make those decisions ?
It seems so unnnecessary that some of us must
struggle. Struggle seems so unnecessary, doesn't it ?
Not even for hard work.
Help ?
That's a question we are free to answer between
people we know.
Not require the government or the employer
or other taxpayers to help you or anyone else
you deem deserving.
Help is a matter for you to help others , not for you
to tell others to help.
If you want your sister and her husband to have
social assistance, the problem becomes one of where
you draw the line ?
For their situation, it seems reasonable that government
or their employer should help them.
And you get the right to force them to do so.
Or, you don't get the right to force them to do so.
Perhaps you are doing better than they, and perhaps
100 dollars a week from you would help them.
This seems hard and vicious.
But I don't mean to be that way.
It's just that your thoughts need to consider
the ramifications for a whole society of different
situations of different people and we all know
how hard it is for the LAW OF HELP to be one size
fits all.
And will we ever trust to give anyone the power
to make those decisions ?
It seems so unnnecessary that some of us must
struggle. Struggle seems so unnecessary, doesn't it ?
Jim as tax payer I can ask our Governments to help those who need it. I didn't say I wanted them to go on Social Assistance, I just pointed out that they would have a better life style if they did. That was the point of my post. That low to middle income people work themselves to near death, just to survive. No benifits, no pensions. On the other hand I have had clients, young gals under 20, who have several children and have never had a job, or paid taxes at any level and they bleed the system for 18 years or more. That is a problem, it has become a lifestyle or seen as Their Income. I am tired of watching my tax dollars go to the weak lame and lazy. I am not talking the homeless, the mentally ill, but young women and men that are abusing a system that was set up for short term assistance and it is now a long term life style. I agree with you, do help my family as often as I can.
Sassylassie, I only just wanted to explore how difficult
it is for the government to solve your undeniable
observations of unnecessary hardship, and unnecessary
waste.
Take the example of those auto factory workers who did well over the years, sending their children to college, affording a vacation home ---- now after all those years of relative comfort, it is all gone.
Do they deserve any more ?
Some say they do.
Some say they had their moment in the sun, believing
what they had would always be there.
Maybe they had no Plan B, or ever thought they should.
Promises became lies.
As often they always do in any system.
The minute we make it, we want to smell the roses
while we are comfortable, but, as we are finding out,
the world changes and we can never fall off our guard.
Who's responsibility is this ?
Mine ?
Yours ?
The Government ?
The Church ?
I don't know the answers, except for to watch out
what is mine, and what I can do for those I care for.
it is for the government to solve your undeniable
observations of unnecessary hardship, and unnecessary
waste.
Take the example of those auto factory workers who did well over the years, sending their children to college, affording a vacation home ---- now after all those years of relative comfort, it is all gone.
Do they deserve any more ?
Some say they do.
Some say they had their moment in the sun, believing
what they had would always be there.
Maybe they had no Plan B, or ever thought they should.
Promises became lies.
As often they always do in any system.
The minute we make it, we want to smell the roses
while we are comfortable, but, as we are finding out,
the world changes and we can never fall off our guard.
Who's responsibility is this ?
Mine ?
Yours ?
The Government ?
The Church ?
I don't know the answers, except for to watch out
what is mine, and what I can do for those I care for.
Jim; I agree with most of your points but when the Government started Social Assistance is was meant to be a short term answer to a problem. Now there are third generation families who are still on it. I am tired of watching my tax dollars support those who will never work a day in their lives. The Government will pay them to stay home, but if they want to supplement their income they the Government will reduce their checks. I would rather someone on Social Assistance be allowed to work and earn extra money and obtain job skills. Canada is becoming a Welfare Country. I never stop and smell the "Roses" regarding finances, I plan for the Oh Shit factor based of the very examples you listed. Cheers.
Understood Sassylassie. And judging from
your many prior posts I never played you for
somebody who didn't know anything, but rather was interested in exploring the points.
This thread about the Land of Plenty makes all
our observations skewed as we live between the
very poor and the very rich and most of us observe
this daily without even trying as we drive around
the neighborhood.
By the way, how we could enact some procedure
or some law based on the quality of your observations
is a dilemna, and in the end, I fear there are no
adequate answers, except one: creating a dominant
culture of personal responsibility.
your many prior posts I never played you for
somebody who didn't know anything, but rather was interested in exploring the points.
This thread about the Land of Plenty makes all
our observations skewed as we live between the
very poor and the very rich and most of us observe
this daily without even trying as we drive around
the neighborhood.
By the way, how we could enact some procedure
or some law based on the quality of your observations
is a dilemna, and in the end, I fear there are no
adequate answers, except one: creating a dominant
culture of personal responsibility.