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‘The justice system failed her’: Nova Scotia teenager commits suicide after being rap
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Aside from that I like the Avatar.
Posters go up supporting boys in Rehtaeh Parsons case - Nova Scotia - CBC News
Friends, family and supporters of the four boys allegedly involved in the Rehtaeh Parsons case have taken their voice to the streets of Halifax.
Bright, multi-coloured posters saying, “Speak the truth. There’s two sides to every story. Listen before you judge. The truth will come out. Stay strong and support the boys,” have gone up in neighbourhoods around Halifax, including in the area around Rehtaeh’s mother's house.
Jason Barnes, Rehtaeh’s stepfather, said he first noticed the posters in his neighbourhood Wednesday morning, stapled to telephone poles on his street.
By the time Barnes returned home from driving his other children to school, someone had torn the posters down and thrown them in the garbage.
Leah Parsons, Rehtaeh’s mother, fired back at the posters on the Facebook page she set up to honour her daughter's memory.
“This is our street, we are mourning our daughter, my children live in this neighbourhood. If you wanted to speak the truth ... why didn't you speak when Rehtaeh was alive ... you push her to suicide then you continue with this bull****!!! Really???? You have no compassion ... but we knew that already,” Parsons wrote.
Barnes said this was extremely upsetting to the family. He said they called police to complain but they told him there was nothing they could do.
Halifax RCMP Cpl. Scott MacRae said putting up posters such as these may be disrespectful, but it’s not a criminal offence.
Facebook group supporting boys removed
A Facebook group set up in support of the boys accused of sexual assault was shut down on Monday after police raised concerns.
The Facebook group was called Speak the Truth. On the page, friends and family posted messages of support for the teenagers saying what happened that night was consensual.
Friends, family and supporters of the four boys allegedly involved in the Rehtaeh Parsons case have taken their voice to the streets of Halifax.
Bright, multi-coloured posters saying, “Speak the truth. There’s two sides to every story. Listen before you judge. The truth will come out. Stay strong and support the boys,” have gone up in neighbourhoods around Halifax, including in the area around Rehtaeh’s mother's house.
Jason Barnes, Rehtaeh’s stepfather, said he first noticed the posters in his neighbourhood Wednesday morning, stapled to telephone poles on his street.
By the time Barnes returned home from driving his other children to school, someone had torn the posters down and thrown them in the garbage.
Leah Parsons, Rehtaeh’s mother, fired back at the posters on the Facebook page she set up to honour her daughter's memory.
“This is our street, we are mourning our daughter, my children live in this neighbourhood. If you wanted to speak the truth ... why didn't you speak when Rehtaeh was alive ... you push her to suicide then you continue with this bull****!!! Really???? You have no compassion ... but we knew that already,” Parsons wrote.
Barnes said this was extremely upsetting to the family. He said they called police to complain but they told him there was nothing they could do.
Halifax RCMP Cpl. Scott MacRae said putting up posters such as these may be disrespectful, but it’s not a criminal offence.
Facebook group supporting boys removed
A Facebook group set up in support of the boys accused of sexual assault was shut down on Monday after police raised concerns.
The Facebook group was called Speak the Truth. On the page, friends and family posted messages of support for the teenagers saying what happened that night was consensual.
Sadly, there was no mention in any media that mentioned that she was on antidepressants and antidepressants have the known adverse reaction of suicide.
This is a very sad story in every way. I dont doubt that she would have been in emotional turmoil but I suspect the antidepressants had a huge hand in her suicide.
The message in her story seems to lack the biggest component of likeliness which are adverse reactions to psychopharmaceuticals that are given out like candy. Its unfortunate that there wasnt one mention of the side affect in any reporting.
We were told she started antidepressants but not one reporter even mentioned the adverse reaction where many people who dont know this may have been able to learn this.. I even wonder if her family knows that the pill she was taking can instigate suicidal ideation.
I find it sad that her legacy is only being used as a lesson involving bullying rape etc where she may not have committed suicide had she never taken the pill that is known to induce suicidal ideation and tendancies especially in her age category.
I appreciate bullying advocates and do believe that bullying and in her situation the other allegations going on, would make a young girls life extremely hard, however I see a common thread in the suicides that are reported where bullying is concerned..
They were all on antidepressants. I dont think the adverse reactions should be ignored... In any of the similar stories I have never read that the person started the antiD's because they were suicidal... In other words it appears the ideation came after which leads me to suspect the pill had much to do with it.
There were many bullies around in schools 30 years ago but not adolescent suicides.
My first sentence should read that media DID report she was on antidepressanst but failed to add the adverse reactions of the antidepressant.
This is a very sad story in every way. I dont doubt that she would have been in emotional turmoil but I suspect the antidepressants had a huge hand in her suicide.
The message in her story seems to lack the biggest component of likeliness which are adverse reactions to psychopharmaceuticals that are given out like candy. Its unfortunate that there wasnt one mention of the side affect in any reporting.
We were told she started antidepressants but not one reporter even mentioned the adverse reaction where many people who dont know this may have been able to learn this.. I even wonder if her family knows that the pill she was taking can instigate suicidal ideation.
I find it sad that her legacy is only being used as a lesson involving bullying rape etc where she may not have committed suicide had she never taken the pill that is known to induce suicidal ideation and tendancies especially in her age category.
I appreciate bullying advocates and do believe that bullying and in her situation the other allegations going on, would make a young girls life extremely hard, however I see a common thread in the suicides that are reported where bullying is concerned..
They were all on antidepressants. I dont think the adverse reactions should be ignored... In any of the similar stories I have never read that the person started the antiD's because they were suicidal... In other words it appears the ideation came after which leads me to suspect the pill had much to do with it.
There were many bullies around in schools 30 years ago but not adolescent suicides.
My first sentence should read that media DID report she was on antidepressanst but failed to add the adverse reactions of the antidepressant.
I find it rather sad that anyone is using her at all, including yourself. You're making a huge speculative leap that medication, in this circumstance, was the instigator of her suicide despite the fact that she'd gone through an excessive traumatic experience. One would think listening to you that suicide was non-existent prior to the use of anti-depressants. Not every single suicide or homicide can be tailored to fit your theory, nor should they. It's actually very disrespectful to the memory of the person not to mention that it under emphasizes the severity of the trauma that they have gone through.
I can appreciate the message you're trying to convey, but the obsessive laser focus you apply to it makes you a minor notch above a spammer on this topic.
Yeah, it was all about the drugs causing her depression. Had nothing to do with being bullied everywhere around the clock for 18 months.
You do know that people that don't take drugs also commit suicide for being bullied like that, right?
You only posted a chart.. YOU never looked at the actual analysis of the chart... Heres what experts said about the chart you posted ..
"Youth suicide rates rising among Canadian girls
The number of girls committing suicide in Canada has risen in the past 30 years, a troubling trend that’s prompting some experts to question the role played by social media.
In a study published Monday in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, researchers from the Public Health Agency of Canada report that on a whole, youth suicide rates have declined since 1980. But closer inspection reveals the decline is evident only in males, while female suicide rates rose from 1980 to 2008.
Youth suicide rates rising among Canadian girls - The Globe and Mail
Here is another expert analysis....
"The attempted suicide rate for high school students has risen from 6.3% to 7.8% in the last three years.
Teen suicide is a growing problem, a new study shows.
Nearly 1 in 6 high school students has seriously considered suicide, and 1 in 12 has attempted it, according to the semi-annual survey on youth risk behavior published Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Read more: 1 in 12 teens have attempted suicide: report** - NY Daily News
Read more: 1 in 12 teens have attempted suicide: report** - NY Daily News
Gilbert,
Maybe you misunderstood the message of my post..
If we know that an adverse reaction to a drug is suicide, then why is it never considered as a possibilily when suicide happens when being on a med that is said to cause suicide tendancies and ideation?
In the hopes of educating normal everyday people, (many who have no idea that the risk exists) I think it is only fair that people are reminded and mde aware each time this happens that suicide tendancies and ideation can occur.
Luckily for the pharma companies, no one could "prove" it was the drug, but in my estimation this isnt a goo enough reason not to mention the possibility. If this poor young girl's death, can help save other people, I hardly see this as "USING".
None of which changes the fact that your assertion, and I quote, "There were many bullies around in schools 30 years ago but not adolescent suicides" was wrong.
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Just to clarify, I agree teens suicides did exist... but not to the extent they do today... and today we know many teens that commit suicide are taking a drug that is proven to potentially cause suicidal tendancies and ideation. These adverse reactions cant be proven once the teen is dead, and sadly there is usually no mention that the drug they were taking has this (too often hidden) adverse reaction..
"Each year, almost 5,000 young people, ages 15 to 24, kill themselves. The rate of suicide for this age group has nearly tripled since 1960, making it the third leading cause of death in adolescents and the second leading cause of death among college-age youth.
Mental Health America: Depression in Teens
There is an excellent informative show about these drugs and their adverse reactions..from global news 16 x 9 ..
Drug Reactions: The effectiveness of antidepressants | Globalnews.ca
Isn't it? Not ever?
You really still think there's no information on possible side effects of drugs available?
If the possible side effects are known and the patient knows what they are and still misuses the drug then I really don't see what you expect spreading info about the aftereffects will do. In fact, I can imagine that someone that's depressed and wants to commit suicide will seek out the drug and try to commit suicide with it if they find out the possible side effects.
Either way, it really does look as if you are using this poor kid's suicide as an excuse to soapbox your crusade.
That's in the States. Tec's graph was referring to Canada. On top of that, your stats do not say how the kids commit suicide.
I posted a link showing the analysis of TEC's above chart. The link I provided was Canadian and explained TEC's chart which says teen suicide is up!
I went the extra mile and posted a link showing that US teen suicide is also up!
To reiterate, it is my belief that we should look for something positive and learn from this unecessary, senseless, horrible tragedy.
In this case, I would hope it would be for people to be aware of adverse reactions of suicidal tendancies (especially in teens) .......along with continuing to educate about bullying and cyber bullying.
I went the extra mile and posted a link showing that US teen suicide is also up!
To reiterate, it is my belief that we should look for something positive and learn from this unecessary, senseless, horrible tragedy.
In this case, I would hope it would be for people to be aware of adverse reactions of suicidal tendancies (especially in teens) .......along with continuing to educate about bullying and cyber bullying.
Do you any commentary aside from drugs?
If not, you have made your point. Over and over again.
The description that goes along with the link Tec posted says 1974 rate per 100,000 in teens 15 to 19 was 10.5869491005414. It says the rate in 2009 was 8.97318350782177. The highest it ever was in that period was 13.3253583082852 in 1995. The lowest was 6.87275589824885 in 2006.
Perhaps you need new glasses.
We WERE speaking in terms of suicide in teens in general and then you switched to the difference between male and female suicides (male being down and female being up).
Why not post Algeria, Latvia, Mongolia, and Tanzaniya, too, then?
To reiterate, why not use the thread you started specifically on this topic to do your sermon? Why use the thread on this girl to use as an excuse to sermon?
Gilbert,
There is no analysis of the chart that TEC posted.
I posted the link where TEC's chart is analysed by Canadian experts
which after TEC's chart was analysed, experts determined that teen suicides are in fact up in Canada (as well as in the States)
(apparently you dont read posts well, yet are quick to reply to them.....gotta say ummmm.
There is no analysis of the chart that TEC posted.
I posted the link where TEC's chart is analysed by Canadian experts
which after TEC's chart was analysed, experts determined that teen suicides are in fact up in Canada (as well as in the States)
(apparently you dont read posts well, yet are quick to reply to them.....gotta say ummmm.
I absolutely agree with that. There is even a movement, at long last, in the U.S. medical community based on the simple premise that. . . ready?. . . psychoactive drugs that are tested on adults may not work the same way on children and adolescents! GASP!