The judgment of Jesus Christ

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Idolaters, atheists, the enthusiastic and associaters will not be judged .. but will go to Hell without judgment.

All people that are 'devoted to God alone' will be judged, before going into Paradise or Heaven.

The prophets will be the first to be judged .. God Himself will take them to account
Then when He will finish their judgment, God will command them to judge their nations ..

Moses will judge his people, the Jews before the coming of Jesus [because Judaism was invalidated after the coming of Jesus Christ.]

Jesus will judge his people, the Christians before the coming of Mohammed [because both Judaism and Christianity were invalidated after the coming of Mohammed.]

And Mohammed will judge his people, the Muslims

The judgment will be according to the heavenly book of that nation .. the Torah of Moses, the Gospel of Jesus and the Quran of Mohammed.
People will be judged according to what they observed or neglected of these heavenly books.

The judgment of Jesus Christ: See the explanation of the Quran 5: 116-118
See the book of Man after Death on the internet web, then from the list of Contents, click on :
Q 22
Quran Man after Death

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The judgment of the messengers (or apostles):

This is in the Quran 5: 109
{The Day [of Judgment] when God shall gather the messengers and say: "How did [your people] react towards you?"
They shall say: "We do not know
a; it is You Who knows every secret." b}
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a About the truth: some of them converted, some of them denied and others disbelieved and waxed proud; this was their outward aspect, but we don't know their interior aspect.

b i.e. You know that which we don't know, and the doubt and hypocrisy which they concealed in their hearts.

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The Judgment of Jesus Christ:

It is mentioned in the Quran 5: 116-119

{ 116. And [keep in mind] when God said [to Jesus after his death and ascending to heaven], "Jesus, son of Mary, is it you who said to people: take me and my mother as two gods [and worship us], apart from God?"
[Jesus] said: "Glory be to You! I haven't the right to say what I have no right to.
a If I had said it You would have known it for You know what [secrets] are in myself but I know not what [intention] is in Yourself; it is You Who knows unknown secrets."

117. "I only told them b what You [Yourself] commanded me to [say]: "Worship God, my Lord and your Lord."
I [myself] was a witness of them
c so long as I lived among them; but when You caused me to die [and then raised up my soul to heaven], You were the Watcher over them d; for You are the All-Witnessing of everything. e "

118. "If You punish them f, they are Your servants g. If You forgive them h, You are the All-Mighty i, the Most Wise j."

119. God said [answering Jesus]: "This k is the day the truthful shall be profited by their truthfulness l.

[The God – be glorified – explained what honor will be for such truthful men in the Next Life:]
For them await gardens underneath [the trees of] which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever and ever;
God being well-pleased with them
m and they will-pleased with Him n; that o is the mighty triumph."}
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a i.e. it is not my right to say this; I neither did say to them: I am the son of God, nor did I say to them: I am God so worship me; but I said to them: I am the servant and messenger of God Who has sent me to you; I also said to them: I am the son of man; I did also say too many times of this word lest they should ascribe me as the son of God; but people took the word of the mad man possessed by the devil and deserted my words.

b i.e. the disciples, and Christians.

c I was seeing, watching and teaching them the monotheism and the ‘exclusive devotion to God alone’.

d i.e. You watched them, their acts and words, and I know neither what happened after my departure from them, nor about what they changed and altered in their religion.

e You see and watch all things, so that nothing is hidden from You.

f Because of their disbelief.

g And you can dispose of them as You like.

h i.e. if You forgive to those who admit my apostle-hood, and do not claim that I am the son of God.

i In Your kingdom, the Dominant over Your creation.

j About Your creaures.

The meaning: If you punish, it will be according to Your justice [: they deserve the punishment.] And if You forgive them, it will be according to Your favor [: it is out of Your generosity and favor.]

God only asked and addressed him in this way to declare to people his innocence, and they would know that he did not say to them: I am the son of God; but he said to them: I am the son of man; and he so frequently said this in the Gospel;

but they changed and altered according to their desires, and they exaggerated their enthusiasm about the Christ until they said he is the son of God, while another party of them said he is God.

This is just like how some Muslim sects exaggerated their enthusiasm about sheikhs and imams to the extent that they considered them the successors of God on earth, his representatives and deputies, so that they started to worship them as had Christians worshipped the Christ and his mother, and as had the tribe of Quraish worshipped the angels and said: they are God's daughters who will intercede with God for our behalf.

k i.e. your saying is true, and it has benefited you.

l i.e. Similarly, on Judgment Day, the truthful : the prophets and apostles, will be benefited by their truthfulness.

Their truthfulness is what God commanded them to convey to their peoples about what they were sent with; moreover, they did not lie to them with anything, neither did they go along with their doctrines because they feared them, but they spoke the truth, eventhough it led to their humiliation and ridicule.

m Because of what they did for conveying the message and forbearing the hurt for the cause of God and for exalting His word.

n According to the dignity and position which He gave to them in Paradise.

o Offering to them.

All the interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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I don't defend Muslims; I only defend the Quran and the religion of the Islam.

But the enemy of the Islam, particularly the Zionists, take many things that are not commanded by God in the Quran, and that is to distort the true picture of the Islam religion and in order to bar people from God's way.

In fact by doing so, they enhance the spread of the Quran and the Islam religion, because people will search to find the truth, and the one who is unaware will understand many things about the Quran.

Quran 6: 112, which means:
{As such have We appointed to every prophet an enemy a – devils of men and genies b; inspiring to each other c the tawdry words d, by way of deception.

[Mohammed] if your Lord had willed, they would not have done so e;

then leave them alone with [the lies] that they invent [against Us.]}
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a In order that the message of the prophet will spread, and his case will be broadcast and his teachings will be propagated.

b i.e. charlatans out of humans and charlatans out of genies.

c i.e. the charlatans of genies inspire to the charlatans of humans, and teach them the imposture and deception, by means of inspiring and suggesting.

d i.e. they teach them the decorated words which deceive people.

e And that is by sending down on them the plague or another kind of destructive diseases and so He terminate them altogether;

but God – be glorified – gives them respite and let them do their work for some wisdom that you do not know.
 
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From what I have seen I don't want much to do with God all he does is
judge people and there is a place called paradise where there is no
pleasures of great music good beer and a party every night.
At least that is the picture pained by the so many.
I don't want to go.
Why is it that you don't be critical of your own when you can't wait to be
critical of everyone else.
I am tired of Holy Books directing every facet of peoples lives
Just live and be happy sounds to me like god is going to disprove anyway
 

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From what I have seen I don't want much to do with God all he does is
judge people and there is a place called paradise where there is no
pleasures of great music good beer and a party every night.
At least that is the picture pained by the so many.
I don't want to go.
Why is it that you don't be critical of your own when you can't wait to be
critical of everyone else.
I am tired of Holy Books directing every facet of peoples lives
Just live and be happy sounds to me like god is going to disprove anyway

There is wine and every pleasure in Paradise.
I am not critical about anyone.
So you said: "I don't want to go." Well it is your choice; who is pursuing after you and you are so tired?
 

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why would anyone worship a god that didn't value intelligence and the ability to think for oneself?

why would an intelligent god create stupid sycophants to worship it?

because man created god and man is arrogant.

From what I have seen I don't want much to do with God all he does is
judge people and there is a place called paradise where there is no
pleasures of great music good beer and a party every night.
At least that is the picture pained by the so many.
I don't want to go.
Why is it that you don't be critical of your own when you can't wait to be
critical of everyone else.
I am tired of Holy Books directing every facet of peoples lives
Just live and be happy sounds to me like god is going to disprove anyway

You got to wonder about a group of people who barely want to spend a sunday together, let alone an eternity, eh
 

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Humanity would be better off without religion.

Not every religion; humanity would be better off the atheism, the homosexuality, the fornication and adultery, the gambling and the usury and every evil acts of disbelievers, idolaters and atheists.
 

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Not every religion; humanity would be better off the atheism, the homosexuality, the fornication and adultery, the gambling and the usury and every evil acts of disbelievers, idolaters and atheists.

What? Shut down the annual Hajj?
 

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why would anyone worship a god that didn't value intelligence and the ability to think for oneself?

why would an intelligent god create stupid sycophants to worship it?

because man created god and man is arrogant.

You got to wonder about a group of people who barely want to spend a sunday together, let alone an eternity, eh

These are your assertions with which you are glad.

God values intelligence and thinking:

This is in the interpretation of the Quran 4: 48, by the interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:

"See are you a blind follower or a thinker?
So if you are a blind follower then forsake the blind following of others, but use your reason and think in every subject, because the blind follower is like the blind whom they guide and he does not know where they take him; while the thinker sees his way and walks along it and knows where the way will end.

God – be glorified – in the Quran, dispraised the blind followers and praised the thinkers and the wise; so He said – be glorified – about the dispraise of the blind followers, in the Quran 43: 23, which means:
(“We have found our fathers following [the program of] a sect, and we – after them – are following [their same program.]”)
So God replied to them by His saying in the next aya 43: 24, which means:
([And the warner] said [to them]: “What! Even if I have brought you a better guidance than that you found your fathers following?” [So follow my way and leave the falsehood way of your fathers.]')

Moreover, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 2: 170, that means
(What if their fathers did not understand, and were not guided [to the truth]?)

Then God – be glorified – explained that, in the Next Life, the leaders will disown their followers, and He said in the Quran 2: 166, that means:
([In the spirit-world] when [leaders and religious scholars] who were followed [in the life of the World, and who invited people to the alleged rivals of God], [shall] disown [their] followers,
and they [shall] see the punishment [with their own eyesights],
and all their efforts [to escape the punishment] shall collapse with them.
)

While God – be glorified – praised the thinkers in the Quran 15: 75, which means:
(Surely in that [event] are signs for such as ‘investigate and deduce’ [lessons from the ruins and stories of those who denied the messengers.])

In addition, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 13: 4, that means:
(In that, are indicative signs to a people who discern [and think.])

Moreover, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 2: 219, which means:
(As such does God explain to you the signs [of revelation] that you may contemplate [the affairs of your religion])

And God – be glorified – said in the Quran 10: 24, which means:
(Even so We do expound the revelations to those who reflect [at various subjects to realize the truth.])

Therefore, be a thinker but don't be a blind follower and then you will lose."

Hour with Ghosts

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What? Shut down the annual Hajj?

In spite of your nose, Shylock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3ClIbF9jc
 
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Not every religion; humanity would be better off the atheism, the homosexuality, the fornication and adultery, the gambling and the usury and every evil acts of disbelievers, idolaters and atheists.

Of course you realize that without fornication you would not be posting here. Or, maybe not.
 

selfsame

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You are a group of devils.
I will prove to you that this true.
See the avatars of BOOMer and Twila, and this will expose you before all people.
The devils know and disregard the truth and work contrary to it.
You are devils belonging to some parties and organizations, and you disregard the truth whatever it is said to you, so it is useless to wrangle with you.
 

Curious Cdn

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You are a group of devils.
I will prove to you that this true.
See the avatars of BOOMer and Twila, and this will expose you before all people.
The devils know and disregard the truth and work contrary to it.
You are devils belonging to some parties and organizations, and you disregard the truth whatever it is said to you, so it is useless to wrangle with you.

Time to clean us up with your suicide belt, eh Sesame?
 

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Idolaters, atheists, the enthusiastic and associaters will not be judged .. but will go to Hell without judgment.

All people that are 'devoted to God alone' will be judged, before going into Paradise or Heaven.

The prophets will be the first to be judged .. God Himself will take them to account
Then when He will finish their judgment, God will command them to judge their nations ..

Moses will judge his people, the Jews before the coming of Jesus [because Judaism was invalidated after the coming of Jesus Christ.]

Jesus will judge his people, the Christians before the coming of Mohammed [because both Judaism and Christianity were invalidated after the coming of Mohammed.]

And Mohammed will judge his people, the Muslims

The judgment will be according to the heavenly book of that nation .. the Torah of Moses, the Gospel of Jesus and the Quran of Mohammed.
People will be judged according to what they observed or neglected of these heavenly books.

The judgment of Jesus Christ: See the explanation of the Quran 5: 116-118
See the book of Man after Death on the internet web, then from the list of Contents, click on :
Q 22
Quran Man after Death

=========================================================
The judgment of the messengers (or apostles):

This is in the Quran 5: 109
{The Day [of Judgment] when God shall gather the messengers and say: "How did [your people] react towards you?"
They shall say: "We do not know
a; it is You Who knows every secret." b}
...........................................................

a About the truth: some of them converted, some of them denied and others disbelieved and waxed proud; this was their outward aspect, but we don't know their interior aspect.

b i.e. You know that which we don't know, and the doubt and hypocrisy which they concealed in their hearts.

============================================================

The Judgment of Jesus Christ:

It is mentioned in the Quran 5: 116-119

{ 116. And [keep in mind] when God said [to Jesus after his death and ascending to heaven], "Jesus, son of Mary, is it you who said to people: take me and my mother as two gods [and worship us], apart from God?"
[Jesus] said: "Glory be to You! I haven't the right to say what I have no right to.
a If I had said it You would have known it for You know what [secrets] are in myself but I know not what [intention] is in Yourself; it is You Who knows unknown secrets."

117. "I only told them b what You [Yourself] commanded me to [say]: "Worship God, my Lord and your Lord."
I [myself] was a witness of them
c so long as I lived among them; but when You caused me to die [and then raised up my soul to heaven], You were the Watcher over them d; for You are the All-Witnessing of everything. e "

118. "If You punish them f, they are Your servants g. If You forgive them h, You are the All-Mighty i, the Most Wise j."

119. God said [answering Jesus]: "This k is the day the truthful shall be profited by their truthfulness l.

[The God – be glorified – explained what honor will be for such truthful men in the Next Life:]
For them await gardens underneath [the trees of] which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever and ever;
God being well-pleased with them
m and they will-pleased with Him n; that o is the mighty triumph."}
...........................................................

a i.e. it is not my right to say this; I neither did say to them: I am the son of God, nor did I say to them: I am God so worship me; but I said to them: I am the servant and messenger of God Who has sent me to you; I also said to them: I am the son of man; I did also say too many times of this word lest they should ascribe me as the son of God; but people took the word of the mad man possessed by the devil and deserted my words.

b i.e. the disciples, and Christians.

c I was seeing, watching and teaching them the monotheism and the ‘exclusive devotion to God alone’.

d i.e. You watched them, their acts and words, and I know neither what happened after my departure from them, nor about what they changed and altered in their religion.

e You see and watch all things, so that nothing is hidden from You.

f Because of their disbelief.

g And you can dispose of them as You like.

h i.e. if You forgive to those who admit my apostle-hood, and do not claim that I am the son of God.

i In Your kingdom, the Dominant over Your creation.

j About Your creaures.

The meaning: If you punish, it will be according to Your justice [: they deserve the punishment.] And if You forgive them, it will be according to Your favor [: it is out of Your generosity and favor.]

God only asked and addressed him in this way to declare to people his innocence, and they would know that he did not say to them: I am the son of God; but he said to them: I am the son of man; and he so frequently said this in the Gospel;

but they changed and altered according to their desires, and they exaggerated their enthusiasm about the Christ until they said he is the son of God, while another party of them said he is God.

This is just like how some Muslim sects exaggerated their enthusiasm about sheikhs and imams to the extent that they considered them the successors of God on earth, his representatives and deputies, so that they started to worship them as had Christians worshipped the Christ and his mother, and as had the tribe of Quraish worshipped the angels and said: they are God's daughters who will intercede with God for our behalf.

k i.e. your saying is true, and it has benefited you.

l i.e. Similarly, on Judgment Day, the truthful : the prophets and apostles, will be benefited by their truthfulness.

Their truthfulness is what God commanded them to convey to their peoples about what they were sent with; moreover, they did not lie to them with anything, neither did they go along with their doctrines because they feared them, but they spoke the truth, eventhough it led to their humiliation and ridicule.

m Because of what they did for conveying the message and forbearing the hurt for the cause of God and for exalting His word.

n According to the dignity and position which He gave to them in Paradise.

o Offering to them.

All the interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

Do you ever have anything intelligent to say?
 

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You are a group of devils.
I will prove to you that this true.
See the avatars of BOOMer and Twila, and this will expose you before all people.
The devils know and disregard the truth and work contrary to it.
You are devils belonging to some parties and organizations, and you disregard the truth whatever it is said to you, so it is useless to wrangle with you.
I know you are but what am I
 

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WE are all Devils now eh? We will not listen to the word of a book that
is older than time and has proven with science that miracles can be
done in a lab. Now I grant you there are several truths in the all of these
books but the whole thing put together is in many cases suspect at
best. No one can prove Jesus wrote anything an no one can prove
Mohamed wrote anything that was not re-written by someone else over
time.
I guess it all comes down to the devil made me do it and by the way I do
not believe in the devil either.
We have God the almighty who rules who gave man free will and subjected
himself to the rules of man in short giving up his absolute power and having
to resort to threats to get his children to behave. It is all starting to sound
like Santa to me
 

damngrumpy

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Ludlow when I first read this I thought you were referring to me
I hope that wasn't so if it is could have given me a red tag.