The Israeli bullcrap detector

moghrabi

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Is that incest? A cousin over there means a lot different from here. They have large extended families.

So do go beat around the bushes.
 

Andem

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Ah, sorry to cut into your conversation here. I've not really had the time to seriously read every post on these forums because they're getting huge. But I did want to convey a few points about each of the topics in this thread.

Firstly: Everything Paco has said in his original post was in favour of Israel. Every single point listed is very slanted. So much so that facts are being twisted here in favour of Israel.

Secondly: I agree with moghrabi and others regarding the United States being led by the Jewish lobby which consists of Zionists. In a massive essay I read a while back, the Zionist cause was proven to be purely business-related and actually had nothing to do with religion. I wish I could find a link now! There are such thing as Jews who are not zionists. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of them have been brainwashed :roll: <-- This goes for the Christian fundalmentists on the far-right down south, too.

Next point: More about Paco's slanted idealogy. It cuts both ways. As I've recently learned, Sharon was more of a terrorist in his days than Arafat could ever be construed as. Not only was he a dangerous man, he was FLATLY against the western world (Britain) and did everything in his power to see us suffer. Now the US supports this man. But it goes EXACTLY in the US's historical pattern of aligning themselves with terrorists in their own persuasions.

My last point here: Arab countries have every right to show contempt towards Israelis. The Jews have been manipulating and undermining other races for centuries, the Arabs are just one of the most recent ones. They've been murdered, shot, and displaced (especially) since 1949 when they evicted Arabs from their homes and their lands. Israel definately knows howto make enemies, and Arab nations are some of the most prominent.

Let me make one thing clear: Israel is not a true friend of the Western world. They keep these alliances through the pressure of Jewish lobby groups and guilt trips to Europeans. Israel has been using, manipulating and tricking Western countries for decades.

(Note: Edited due to possible, unintentional offense to some people)
 

LadyC

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First, let me say I haven't chosen sides in the Israel/Palestine thing. I think they're both wrong, and they're worse than kids with their, "Ya, but they started it!" This thing has been going on since forever, and I seriously doubt it'll ever go away.

That said, I'd like to point out...
Andem said:
Firstly: Everything Paco has said in his original post was in favour of Israel. Every single point listed is very slanted. So much so that facts are being twisted here in favour of Israel.
Yours and Moghrabi's (among others) posts are slanted in favour of Palestine. No-one seems to be objective.
 

Andem

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LadyC,

I am being objective. I am not a jew nor am I an arab. I look at facts and I look at real news sources (the independents). I also look at the history books. I do a lot of reading :p

I've taken sides on this issue because I feel the Palestinians are the victims in this equasion.
 

LadyC

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moghrabi...
All your posts are pro-Palestine. So far as I can tell so are Andem's.
I've taken sides on this issue because I feel the Palestinians are the victims in this equasion.
There are victims on both sides.
There always are.
 

Andem

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Sure there will always be victims on both sides, but to realise the true situations, one has to look into the roots of the hate and conflict. What I see is that Israel is the sole perpetrators of the conflicts arising in the (former) country of Palestine. It was Palestine first.. Simple as that. :roll:
 

moghrabi

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If you see it this way that is fine and I am proud of it. The point is I am pro-truth. Regarding victims, there will always be on both sides until a just and comprehensive peace is made. Not a wishy-washy one.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: The Israeli bullcrap

I went for Smashmouth. What ever happened to them anyway? I kind of liked that odd retro-hippie-punk-beach thing they had. That and they only covered songs I liked.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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I've studied Jewish folks just as I have North American indians or biographies of people from around the world.

When I think of Israel or Jewish folks and their history as a People, I'm astounded at how successful they are.

They never had a country to call their own until 1948.
Yet, for ions and centuries before 1948, they had more influence upon world events and within corridors of power than any other race or religion. How did they pull this off? For centuries they never even had a place to call "home".

In the old days, historical facts find them in every castle, every Pharoh's tent, every place of influence. In the old days, they were traders. They ran caravans of goods overland and were the merchants of prestige. If a war started .... they were the first people out alongside the main caravan routes selling their wares to any army that had money. Enemy and foe alike. And because they had influence in all Worldly Capital cities, they were able to sell secrets too. They sold anything to anybody. They sort of stood back and watched Gentiles destroy themselves in war and made huge profits at it.

Lots of people would claim that music is just part of being black or South African. It seems as though music was "inate" in blacks.
Well, the Jewish folks are great merchants. It is inate within them.

Yes .... they ran their club as a closed society. They never charged each other interest on money lending. But .... they were very good at what they did. Let's face that fact! Just look at the influence they have held on the world stage throughout history.

And to think .... they never even had a country til 1948. They never had any natural resources to sell of their own. Whatever they got, they got off the backs of Gentiles.
I don't mean this in a beligerent way. It is just a plain fact. It is just stunning when you think of it. Okay... Spain ruled the world at one time ....and they sold every tree and every mineral they had in their country in order to maintain their influence or leadership in the world. But .... The Jews had no country .... nothing of their own to sell.
Absolutely stunning!

Everytime the economy gets bad, the Jews are attacked because they are the "Masters" of money and trade. I'm not saying its right or proper .... its just a fact.

It has been the same throughout history. Gentiles always resent what the Jewish folks managed to get as a People. Throughout history whole populations have turned on the Jews because they despised the influence they had on their governments. Populations of different countries were always seeing Jewish folks at the very levers of power and time after time Jewish folks were set upon by riots and halocausts.

When the Jewish folks came to America, they sat around in the cities while cowbows roamed everywhere else. It was the Jews who had the sophistication and who brought "class" and money over from Europe. I don't think Roy Rogers or Wild Bill Hickock stood around campfires wondering if they were circumsized or not.
But, somehow, Christain guys like Wild Bill, Rogers, and Buffalo Bill began to be called "Judeo Christains" ..... I don't know how .... but, it happened.

It was the Jewish folks who opened up the places of learning in America. It was the Jewish folks who ran the trade caravans in America and just as they have during centuries past, when in Europe.

You'd have to admit that they are good salesmen! Who else could take a useless stone and call it a diamond and have us all feel that it is necessary to have this or to be as a "family"?

As the US economy collapses, Jewish folks can be sure to feel the brunt of envy, bewilderment, anguish and resentment.

When Jewish folks had the movie places in Hollywood in the early 1900's .... it was Jewish folks who told the rest of us what or how the country was formed or made movies of American history. It was the Jewish folks who taught America their history! Obviously, as seen though Jewish eyes.
How we understand "Cowboy Life" is how it was portrayed in movies. But, it was nowhere like that. It was just a good story line.

When Jewish folks owned mass media .... that was a God-Send!

Thats a fact too!

Calm
 

Reverend Blair

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That's because the Jews have a tradition of intellectualism, Calm. You know the stereotype about Jews being doctors and lawyers? That's because they are. It isn't a plot to take over the world, it's just that study and thinking is part of their culture.

That's how come they "insinuate" themselves into positions of power so easily and so often. They aren't insinuating themselves into anything, that's just where educated intellectuals end up...the power behind the throne.

They aren't that numerous or powerful either. It's a few Christian Whackos with dreams of Armageddon and oil money who really fuel all of this. The problem is that there's this bunch of Muslim Krazies who are causing trouble.

See, when the Christian Whackos felt guilty because the Jewish...damn, I'm running out of epithets...let's call them nutbags...almost got annihilated for the 974th time, but in the most successful attempt ever, the Christian Whackos decided to give the Jewish Nutbags the land that the Muslim Krazies were living on because it used to belong to Jewish Nutbags before the Roman Fruitcakes chased them off it more or less around the time that Christian Whacko's messiah got spiked up for being a godless communist.

Make sense? Nope.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hey! Reverend Blair

I never said they were stupid or retarded. Obviously they are well educated.

But, I only wanted to mention or write about how successful they are as merchants.
It is amazing.

I was just laying out a bit of history. Sort of an attempt to admire just how good at sales these people are. Germans were good at machinery, and they are good at that. Japan was good at transitors.

My point about them owning the media is because whatever they put out, is how we see ourselves.
That would be a God-Send.

About Palestine and that trip, ... I already gave my view there or in other threads.

Calm
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: The Israeli bullcrap

Sorry, man. Sleep seems to be something that is reserved for others. I'm a little testy. Ten beer and 3 Cowboy Junkies cds and not even a hint of sleep. Another hour and I'll put the coffee on.

The Jews are successful as merchants. My only Jewish relative owned a clothing store in Saskatoon for years. He put two kids through university with that store...a doctor and a lawyer.

You noticed that I called them all names though? Jews and Muslims and Christians? Ya think at some point they could manage to figure out that they are fighting over a used up desert with saline soil that couln't support a dirt farmer and his inbred daughter.

If they could they'd start a war over whose fault it was and who had to keep it.
 

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moghrabi said:
First. If you don't think that the US is led by a Jewish lobby, then I don't know where you have been in the last 50 years. You can either see it or you can't. So I'll leave it up to you to discover the details.
You are doing the same thing again moghrabi. You are acting like a dogmatist: you believe you are right, though you have not presented the facts I asked for repeatedly, and when I criticize that point, you say I (!) am the one who has to "discover" the details. No, my friend, that's up to you.
 

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moghrabi said:
Is that incest? A cousin over there means a lot different from here. They have large extended families.
Officially it is incest, but I know what you mean, I had this in college this morning (really!). It depends on how you define incest. But if that is the case, you can make a parallel to the ones who practice "incest" in the south of the US, because basically, that sort of "incest" does not differ much from the "incest" practiced in parts of the Arab world (and in lots of more parts of the world). By the way, they also gave some clearity about the frequency of incest in the south of the US, and the numbers are really small - on an overall US population, somewhere between 0.1 and 1.0 percent of the population marriages with a cousin (marriaging a brother or sister is almost non-existing, and not allowed in most states). And according to antropologic studies (read Kottak), a part of that percentage comes out of the fact new immigrants hold on to the tradition of marrying inside the family even in the US. Only under extremely religious groups in the US - for example certain Mennonites - incest is more common, though it does not seem to exceed the 30% (and that are numbers from the 1980's).
 

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Andem said:
My last point here: Arab countries have every right to show contempt towards Israelis. The Jews have been manipulating and undermining other races for centuries, the Arabs are just one of the most recent ones. They've been murdered, shot, and displaced (especially) since 1949 when they evicted Arabs from their homes and their lands. Israel definately knows howto make enemies, and Arab nations are some of the most prominent.
Out of which historical happenings do you conclude that "the Jews" have been manipulating and underming other races for centuries?