The Israeli bullcrap detector

Paco

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1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Arabs don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?

2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since

3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?

4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps by Arab mobs if they so much as entered an Arab country?

5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?

6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?

7. If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?

8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?

9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?

10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?

11. Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”? Can you see the parallels to the Arabs, who are blessed with land and oil, but still gladly train their children to kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Have you heard Golda Meir’s words to the effect of “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”? Why do the Arabs hate so much?
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hey! Paco;

Did You Know ......

The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
June 21, 2004
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001
November 02, 2003
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

US doctor 'planned to destroy mosques'
August 24, 2002
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2214320.stm

U.S. Agents Arrest “Val”; Accomplice of Terrorist Florida Doctor
September 28, 2002
http://www.islam-online.net/English/news/2002-09/28/article03.shtml

Podiatrist's wife arrested in plot
Federal agents say Kristi Goldstein, 28, wife of the Seminole doctor, approved of plans to bomb Islamic centers
By Leanora Minai
October 25, 2002
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/25/TampaBay/Podiatrist_s_wife_arr.shtml

Michael Hardee: Bomb-plot accomplice sentenced to 41 months
By Mitch Stacy
May 02, 2003
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/local/5765958.htm

US judge puts Jewish leader on trial
June 15, 2004
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/68515CD7-5FED-408E-9BF9-312523A61925.htm
 

Just the Facts

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
US doctor 'planned to destroy mosques'
August 24, 2002
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2214320.stm

U.S. Agents Arrest “Val”; Accomplice of Terrorist Florida Doctor
September 28, 2002
http://www.islam-online.net/English/news/2002-09/28/article03.shtml

Podiatrist's wife arrested in plot
Federal agents say Kristi Goldstein, 28, wife of the Seminole doctor, approved of plans to bomb Islamic centers
By Leanora Minai
October 25, 2002
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/25/TampaBay/Podiatrist_s_wife_arr.shtml

Michael Hardee: Bomb-plot accomplice sentenced to 41 months
By Mitch Stacy
May 02, 2003
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/local/5765958.htm

These are all links to basically the same story. Some enraged guy with an anger management problem plotting to blow up BUILDINGS!

Not school buses full of children on their way to a field trip to an Islamic centre, but BUILDINGS!

Now lets see a link to one of the many terrorists plotting an attack against Israel being arrested by the PA.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Just the Facts

I agree that the links you mentioned were concerning the same story-line. But, I posted them because each gave a kernal of information towards understanding the story itself.
Tim McVeigh only blew up a building too.

The point I was making is that there are extremists on both sides of the Wall. That Jewish folks are just as violent as Palestinians. That the State Of Israel was born out of violence and terrorism and the Palestinians are attempting to accomplish the same and in the same fashion.

If I was ruling the world, I would tell the Jewish folks to return to the 67 borders. I know that it would mean that every christian would need to re-write their bibles, but so be it.
If I was ruling the world, I would allow a soverign state for the Palestinians, but not give them soverign airspace. I would put international peacekeepers on the ground.
If I was ruling the world, I would not allow Israel to set up a "Jewish" state. There is a big difference between an Israeli state and a Jewish state.

I got no dog in this fight, so whatever I write is not personal. It is just a view I have aquired over years of study. Believe me, I've studied the history of the Jewish Peoples.

"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." ---Samuel P. Huntington---


Calm
 

moghrabi

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Paco,

I can't believe there are such misunderstanding about the Arab fight with the Jewish people. I have read above that Arabs are still living in their own feces.

Before you can say such things, you better understand the true history of Arabs and what they gave to the west all the way from science to Algebra to astronomy and medicine. Not until the west and the Zionists came along, the Arabs started their suffering.

Have you ever traveled to the ME. Have you been to Dubai or Saudi Arabia. Have you been to Lebanon (the Jewel of the ME). I guess not. Then you are missing a lot. It is sad to sit somewhere in the south of the US practicing incest with you mother and sisters and talk about the ME.

The Arabs have a history unlike others in terms of achievements. The west at that time was swimming in feces.

You are nothing but an ignorant person full of hatred and living a lie when you start believing that you made your own superiority.
 

moghrabi

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BTW.

The Zionist movement around the world is responsible for most of the trouble we have today. Did you know that the IDF helped the Ivory Coast guards to shoot down French planes. Did you know that the success and failure of your economy, jobs, dollar, and so on is dependent on a number of Zionists around the world. Alas, you do not know that.
 

moghrabi

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When someone like Paco posts something about Israel and states that the Arabs are still living in their own feces, someone must stop this kind of insanity. Why are we talking about the subject of Israel here is becuae it is the talk of every forum. The zionists and their followers has divided our world in two. With Them or Against Them.

Well, I am not against anybody who is peace loving. But to be told that my fellow arabs are still living in their own feces is not acceptable.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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moghrabi said:
I can't believe there are such misunderstanding about the Arab fight with the Jewish people. I have read above that Arabs are still living in their own feces.

moghrabi said:
It is sad to sit somewhere in the south of the US practicing incest with you mother and sisters and talk about the ME.
Ehm ... are we talking about misunderstandings here? Thought so.

moghrabi said:
Did you know that the success and failure of your economy, jobs, dollar, and so on is dependent on a number of Zionists around the world. Alas, you do not know that.
And you know that because of ... what?
 

Mediana

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RE: The Israeli bullcrap

Paco,
Your zionist diatribe is both old and tiresome. The jewish state is a blight on humanity and should be allowed to implode from the weight of its own wickedness.
Canadian values are incompatible with the simplistic and mischievous views you espouse.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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Hi! Mediana

I agree that Moghrabi typed some pretty harsh stuff here. When first reading it, I was tempted to suggest that he tune it down a bit, but decided not to. I'm not a policeman.
Also, I have found in the past, people like Moghrabi would respond to a post about the Jewish outlook, and then the Jewish person would report and complain to the forum administrator. MSN and Rogers shut down their chats and boards because of stuff like this.
Sometimes, I think the Jewish folks antagonize others just to create hassles and thus complaints of hate to forum administrators.

Hi! Rick van Opbergen

I posted every bit of information concerning Jewish violence on the world stage in order to point out to Paco that Arafat was not the only "terrorist" in this fight and that extremists are on both sides.
What I've noticed about your posts is that you take every line and dissect it as though a person was taking a lie detector test. As if the poster was in a court of law.
When I post conversations, comments and recommended readings, I'm not looking for an argument. I like to see a balance of both views, it makes it more enjoyable reading.

Hi! FireJED

I know this is Canada, but ever since I was a kid, I noticed that on Canadian news, day after day, when anyone sneezed in Israel or Palestine, it made the 6 O'clock news. The Iraq war has just magnified the issues between Israel and Palestine and thus more apt to be commented upon in forums or postings.
I think I've posted more than 150 posts and it would surprise me if any more than 20 concerned the Israel/Palestine question.

Calm
 

moghrabi

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I don't think what I said was harsh at all. If I started this and said something about a Jew, they start screaming and call it anti-Semitic. Why don't people stop this madness about Jewish people trying to incite the feelings of others and get away with it. I'll never be silenced by this as I have all the right to respond to this madness.

And Rick, Yes they do practice incest in the south.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Paranoid Dot Calm said:
Hi! Rick van Opbergen

I posted every bit of information concerning Jewish violence on the world stage in order to point out to Paco that Arafat was not the only "terrorist" in this fight and that extremists are on both sides.
What I've noticed about your posts is that you take every line and dissect it as though a person was taking a lie detector test. As if the poster was in a court of law.
When I post conversations, comments and recommended readings, I'm not looking for an argument. I like to see a balance of both views, it makes it more enjoyable reading.
I do not deny any of this violence. That's also not what I am saying in my post, re-reading it. My point to moghrabi was that he was annoyed by a clear misunderstanding - that Arabs live in their own feces -, but than openly propagated another misunderstanding - that people in the south of the US practice incest. I bet some of them do, like there are probably some Arabs living in their own feces. But it's not true when you enlarge those stereotypes to the entire population. That was my point.

And Paranoid Dot Calm, don't you think I'm not searching for a balanced view on stuff? My criticism comes out of the fact that I just are not eager to believe one-liners like "... the success and failure of your economy, jobs, dollar, and so on is dependent on a number of Zionists around the world." And when you can point out that is true, I will not argue. I will make clear I made a mistake and apologize. Ask vista. Maybe that gives you the feeling people are standing in front of a court - so be it. I believe this whole world is full of misunderstandings - and I believe it's not only the mainstream media who brings these misunderstandings into the world.
 

moghrabi

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It is not a one liner to say the the whole economy etc. is dependent on few zionists. It is a whole country (US) is run by a few zionists. If you do not see that the US is run by the Jewish lobby, then forgive me if I call you ignorant.
 

moghrabi

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Re: RE: The Israeli bullcrap

Mediana said:
Paco,
Your zionist diatribe is both old and tiresome. The jewish state is a blight on humanity and should be allowed to implode from the weight of its own wickedness.
Canadian values are incompatible with the simplistic and mischievous views you espouse.

Thanks for your input Mediana. And welcome to Canadian Content. Please enjoy your stay.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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That's why I call up for proof. I do think it is a one-liner, because I have heard the same thing for the last two years and never gotten anything which could proved you right, and me wrong. And again: when a Jew is in the US government, it does not mean he is an Israeli spy and that he gets some mysterious directions from Israel. I realize I don't have any real proof for that though. But I guess I call up for logic than in that case, as I do not think there is any definition which automatically links all Jews with Zionism.
 

moghrabi

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I never linked all Jews to Zionism. You can go back to all my posts and see. I have good friends who are Jews and hate everything that the Zionist are doing.

As for the US being controlled by the Zionist entity, it is a well known fact the the US has a huge Zionist lobby. Some time back Sharon himself said to his cabinet "Do not worry about the US, we control the US". What does this mean?
 

Rick van Opbergen

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The fact that there is indeed a powerful Zionist lobby in Washington does not mean they "controll" the US. It's not logical to me to make such a link. The born-again Christian lobby is powerful as well. As well goes for the Armenian lobby. Or the Jewish lobby. But to say they all control the US ... I think US politics can be better influenced by lobby groups than for example Dutch politics, because lobby groups are relatively unfamiliar here. But it still does not mean that the Zionists control the US. And you have still not given any proof for that; I can simply not trust you on the words "it's a well known fact" - because it isn't.

And concerning the words of Sharon: this must be the first time you believe what Sharon says :wink: , am I right?
 

moghrabi

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First. If you don't think that the US is led by a Jewish lobby, then I don't know where you have been in the last 50 years. You can either see it or you can't. So I'll leave it up to you to discover the details.

This is not the first time I believe what Sharon says. I believed what he said every time because I know he does what he says. He talked about killing Pals in Beirut and he succeeded. He walked into the Holy temple in Jerusalem as he said he would. Sharon is a calculating killer and he is proud of it.