The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

[Cosmo]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Ah, Rev would know about weirdly obsessed ... he has an entire contingent on the internet who are insanely fixated on his every word. If anyone knows about how obsessed people act, it would be our Rev. I figure you ought to take it as a compliment! Not everyone would like to see a pic of you without your shirt. Or your gun, howitzer or not!

 

[Musicman]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must

Ah, Rev would know about weirdly obsessed ... he has an entire contingent on the internet who are insanely fixated on his every word. If anyone knows about how obsessed people act, it would be our Rev. I figure you ought to take it as a compliment! Not everyone would like to see a pic of you without your shirt. Or your gun, howitzer or not!

Thats funny. :lol:

I would feel better about this obsession if the reverend was female, as it appears he is on the other side of the track from me. I only swing from the straight side of the plate, and it appears Reverend Blair may swing from the happy side of the plate. Hate to disappoint him, but you know how it is. He should seek out his own, I guess.

 

[peapod]

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Musicman]

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Whatever are you talking about? I am here to learn and discuss things. Nothing more, nothing less. :?

 

[TenPenny]

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Whatever are you talking about? I am here to learn and discuss things. Nothing more, nothing less. :?

I believe you are the one who suggested "which side of the plate" both you and the rev "swing from", so it's a bit silly to suddenly suggest you are here to "learn and discuss things"

So, are you left or right handed? If I said you had a lovely behind, would you take it the wrong way?

 

[Musicman]

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Whatever are you talking about? I am here to learn and discuss things. Nothing more, nothing less. :?

I believe you are the one who suggested "which side of the plate" both you and the rev "swing from", so it's a bit silly to suddenly suggest you are here to "learn and discuss things"

So, are you left or right handed? If I said you had a lovely behind, would you take it the wrong way?

Sorry, ten packs, but I was trying as gently as possible to let Reverend Blair know that I am not his cup of tea. I saw no reason to be rude about it, so I was discussing what I had learned about Reverend Blair in a polite manner.

 

[Extrafire]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

The whole point of a gun registry is that, if your guns aren't registered, they can be taken away. If your guns are registered, you therefore have a right to have them.

All of you Harperites keep claiming that all the crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS. So, the registry provides a simple way for the police to decide which ones can be taken away. Therefore all you Harperites must be in favour of the registry, right?

Why are you people so inconsistent? You're contradicting your own bloody point.

Silly statements.

Registration always preceeds confiscation.

You people persist in this insane delusion that "the government" wants to take your guns. You really really need some therapy. There's no point in debating this any more: there is a large group of people who suffer from some delusion about confiscation. If registration always preceeds confiscation, why aren't you worried about your cars? I use my car a lot more than I use my rifle, and I'm far more worried about "them" confiscating my car.

To use your logic, "they" are obviously planning to seize everyone's car, because, in your own words, registration always preceeds confiscation. And that reminds me, we had to "register" our children....are they going to be confiscated, too? I'd better run out and by an Uzi or an AK47 so that I can defend my family against the evil "they" who are going to take my car and my daughters.

We're talking about guns, remember? Not cars or children. And I'm just referring to the history of gun registration. The first country to have it was Nazi Germany, and they followed it up with confiscation. England also registered some guns including hand guns, and they were confiscated.

Really, why would they want to register guns in the first place? It has no effect on crime or accidents so it serves no useful purpose. The only reason (and this was confirmed by a loose-liped Liberal MP a few years ago) was to win votes from gullible urbanites. If confication follows in the same manner as in England, some horrific crime (the killing of 16 school kids in Scotland) will prompt the government to seize guns. This will also have broad support by (justifiably horrified) urbanites but will serve no purpose, because the only guns seized will be the registered ones from law abiding citizens, and the crooks will still have theirs.

It's a stupid law. And overly expensive.

 

[Musicman]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

The whole point of a gun registry is that, if your guns aren't registered, they can be taken away. If your guns are registered, you therefore have a right to have them.

All of you Harperites keep claiming that all the crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS. So, the registry provides a simple way for the police to decide which ones can be taken away. Therefore all you Harperites must be in favour of the registry, right?

Why are you people so inconsistent? You're contradicting your own bloody point.

Silly statements.

Registration always preceeds confiscation.

You people persist in this insane delusion that "the government" wants to take your guns. You really really need some therapy. There's no point in debating this any more: there is a large group of people who suffer from some delusion about confiscation. If registration always preceeds confiscation, why aren't you worried about your cars? I use my car a lot more than I use my rifle, and I'm far more worried about "them" confiscating my car.

To use your logic, "they" are obviously planning to seize everyone's car, because, in your own words, registration always preceeds confiscation. And that reminds me, we had to "register" our children....are they going to be confiscated, too? I'd better run out and by an Uzi or an AK47 so that I can defend my family against the evil "they" who are going to take my car and my daughters.

We're talking about guns, remember? Not cars or children. And I'm just referring to the history of gun registration. The first country to have it was Nazi Germany, and they followed it up with confiscation. England also registered some guns including hand guns, and they were confiscated.

Really, why would they want to register guns in the first place? It has no effect on crime or accidents so it serves no useful purpose. The only reason (and this was confirmed by a loose-liped Liberal MP a few years ago) was to win votes from gullible urbanites. If confication follows in the same manner as in England, some horrific crime (the killing of 16 school kids in Scotland) will prompt the government to seize guns. This will also have broad support by (justifiably horrified) urbanites but will serve no purpose, because the only guns seized will be the registered ones from law abiding citizens, and the crooks will still have theirs.

It's a stupid law. And overly expensive.

I agree, Extrafire. I too think it is expensive and useless.

I always have wondered why when talking gun registration the issue of vehicle registration comes up. The issues are totally different. The rules before the current legislation already provided information on gun owners, so this new legislation is very suspicious. However, given the recent events regarding the sponsorship scam, it now seems obvious that this new gun control registration was more about spending money than registration.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

The whole point of a gun registry is that, if your guns aren't registered, they can be taken away. If your guns are registered, you therefore have a right to have them.

All of you Harperites keep claiming that all the crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS. So, the registry provides a simple way for the police to decide which ones can be taken away. Therefore all you Harperites must be in favour of the registry, right?

Why are you people so inconsistent? You're contradicting your own bloody point.

Silly statements.

Registration always preceeds confiscation.

You people persist in this insane delusion that "the government" wants to take your guns. You really really need some therapy. There's no point in debating this any more: there is a large group of people who suffer from some delusion about confiscation. If registration always preceeds confiscation, why aren't you worried about your cars? I use my car a lot more than I use my rifle, and I'm far more worried about "them" confiscating my car.

To use your logic, "they" are obviously planning to seize everyone's car, because, in your own words, registration always preceeds confiscation. And that reminds me, we had to "register" our children....are they going to be confiscated, too? I'd better run out and by an Uzi or an AK47 so that I can defend my family against the evil "they" who are going to take my car and my daughters.

We're talking about guns, remember? Not cars or children. And I'm just referring to the history of gun registration. The first country to have it was Nazi Germany, and they followed it up with confiscation. England also registered some guns including hand guns, and they were confiscated.

Really, why would they want to register guns in the first place? It has no effect on crime or accidents so it serves no useful purpose. The only reason (and this was confirmed by a loose-liped Liberal MP a few years ago) was to win votes from gullible urbanites. If confication follows in the same manner as in England, some horrific crime (the killing of 16 school kids in Scotland) will prompt the government to seize guns. This will also have broad support by (justifiably horrified) urbanites but will serve no purpose, because the only guns seized will be the registered ones from law abiding citizens, and the crooks will still have theirs.

It's a stupid law. And overly expensive.

I agree, Extrafire. I too think it is expensive and useless.

I always have wondered why when talking gun registration the issue of vehicle registration comes up. The issues are totally different. The rules before the current legislation already provided information on gun owners, so this new legislation is very suspicious. However, given the recent events regarding the sponsorship scam, it now seems obvious that this new gun control registration was more about spending money than registration.

Of course, that goes without saying. It is a natural phenomena of the Liberal Govenment to come up with anything just as an excuse to keep creating new taxes and keep taxing till the cows come home.

Any sane person knows criminals will not register their firearms, which means the law abiding are needlessly penalized into registering their firearms, paying the damn fee and paying extra taxes for this useless registry. I've always said criminals have more rights in Canada than the law abiding citizens.

 

[Musicman]

Any sane person knows criminals will not register their firearms, which means the law abiding are needlessly penalized into registering their firearms, paying the damn fee and paying extra taxes for this useless registry. I've always said criminals have more rights in Canada than the law abiding citizens.

Sad, but true.

 

[TenPenny]

You people persist in asking why cars are brought up when discussing guns, and then you say stupid things like,

"why register guns when it has no effect on crime"
and "it's nothing but a tax grab"

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

You are so focussed on your right to own unregistered guns that you can't even see a parallel argument.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

You people persist in asking why cars are brought up when discussing guns, and then you say stupid things like,

"why register guns when it has no effect on crime"
and "it's nothing but a tax grab"

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

You are so focussed on your right to own unregistered guns that you can't even see a parallel argument.

because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't. nations who force gun registration are in reality police states.

 

[TenPenny]

"because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't"

That's pretty much the most idiotic thing I've read.

You also win a prize for "nations who force gun registration are in reality police states"

Stunning. Stunned. Whatever.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

I won't disagree with that one. Car 'registration' is a tax grab.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

I won't disagree with that one. Car 'registration' is a tax grab.

Of course, we have to pay for roads etc somehow, but I'd prefer to see the tax on fuel, instead, or perhaps more toll roads. Pay as you go seems fairer, and may encourage people to make fewer unnecessary car journeys into the bargain.

 

[Musicman]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

"because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't"

That's pretty much the most idiotic thing I've read.

You also win a prize for "nations who force gun registration are in reality police states"

Stunning. Stunned. Whatever.

Again, more misdirection. The issue is not necessarily gun registration, in my opinion, but this particular legislation. We have had handgun registration since the 1930's, and previous legislation provided information about gun ownership. The real issue is why this particular piece of gun registration which does nothing to stop criminals, but makes criminals out of gopher shooters? And please remember, "Those who ignor history are doomed to repeat it". You are doomed, TP

 

[TenPenny]

So, you're claiming you have NO objection to the concept of gun registration, only this particular implementation of it?

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

"because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't"

That's pretty much the most idiotic thing I've read.

You also win a prize for "nations who force gun registration are in reality police states"

Stunning. Stunned. Whatever.

Most idiotic thing? What are you stunned about? The fact that normal countries do not believe in mass licensing and registration of firearms? The fact that the primary purpose of licensing and registration of anything is to enforce a system of taxation?

If these simple facts stun you, then perhaps it's due to a lack of knowledge on your part on the purpose of gun registration? What is the purpose?

Look at what happened to England and Australia when they took citizens guns away, the crime rates skyrocketed. What a nice combination, you have police states (where only the police/military can carry guns) with higher crime rates. Way to go...

 

[TenPenny]

The most idiotic thing, as I said, was your quote showing the difference between gun registry and vehicle registry. You're displaying truly Olympian degrees of obtuseness.

In case you cannot fathom it, oh never mind. Go back to your God

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

The most idiotic thing, as I said, was your quote showing the difference between gun registry and vehicle registry. You're displaying truly Olympian degrees of obtuseness.

In case you cannot fathom it, oh never mind. Go back to your God

tsk tsk ... a might touchy I see. It's either lefty's way or the highway.

We cannot go back and remove vehicle registration. We already have it and the gov'nts rely on it for taxes. Nations that do not have gun registration, do not need the tax money and therefore do not bother with it. It is a waste of money!