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Dexter Sinister

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The Great Reset post #31, DS.
I don't read it that way, it's about how we must become like children (i.e. ignorant and simple) to enter the kingdom of heaven, and what Jesus thinks of people who interfere with childrens' faith. Though personally I think the notion of a Christian child (or a Jewish or Muslim child for that matter) makes no sense at all, they lack the knowledge and experience to have an informed understanding of such things. There's no such thing as Christian children, just as there are no capitalist or socialist children, or atheist children, there are only the children of parents with those views. Odds are the children of Christian parents will end up Christian themselves (though I didn't), because that's what they'll learn about, religious belief is very specific to time and culture. If you'd grown up in Pakistan, for instance, you'd almost certainly be Muslim, and no doubt just as convinced of its truth as Torch light is, and if you'd grown up with animists you'd be believing in what Richard Dawkins once called the Grand Panjandrum Up The Mountain. At various other times and places you'd have been bowing down to Odin, Thor, Zeus, Moloch, Isis, etc., and just as convinced of their reality as you are of the Christian trinity.

No doubt both you and Torch light are equally certain the other has it completely wrong. You're both right about that much at least.
 

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I don't read it that way, it's about how we must become like children (i.e. ignorant and simple) to enter the kingdom of heaven, and what Jesus thinks of people who interfere with childrens' faith. Though personally I think the notion of a Christian child (or a Jewish or Muslim child for that matter) makes no sense at all, they lack the knowledge and experience to have an informed understanding of such things. There's no such thing as Christian children, just as there are no capitalist or socialist children, or atheist children, there are only the children of parents with those views. Odds are the children of Christian parents will end up Christian themselves (though I didn't), because that's what they'll learn about, religious belief is very specific to time and culture. If you'd grown up in Pakistan, for instance, you'd almost certainly be Muslim, and no doubt just as convinced of its truth as Torch light is, and if you'd grown up with animists you'd be believing in what Richard Dawkins once called the Grand Panjandrum Up The Mountain. At various other times and places you'd have been bowing down to Odin, Thor, Zeus, Moloch, Isis, etc., and just as convinced of their reality as you are of the Christian trinity.

No doubt both you and Torch light are equally certain the other has it completely wrong. You're both right about that much at least.
I wasn’t raised to be a Christian, DS.
 

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I will agree with you that if one accepts Christian theology, the coming of Jesus was indeed a great reset. A complete change in the paradigm of the relationship between humans and god.

The WEF's bloviations, not so much.
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1973, initially due to an excellent tv series called The Ascent of Man. More particularly, it was the reaction of some of my fellow students to a certain episode that did it, the one where Jacob Bronowski wades into the pond at Auschwitz and talks about how people behave when they believe they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality. Before that I'd never been particularly interested in religious matters, it was just a sort of background noise in my life and I didn't pay it much attention, but that program was a real consciousness raiser. It's what started me down the path of investigation and analysis of religion that ultimately led me to the atheist position. I was greatly assisted by Richard Dawkins' writings, which made it perfectly clear that there's a much better explanation for the observed complexity and diversity of life than the religiously based argument from design, and Bertrand Russell's philosophical musings. Took me a few years and a lot of effort, it's hard to abandon lessons learned at your mother's knee, so to speak, but I eventually came to realize that I just did not and could not believe what I'd been taught about religion, it didn't make logical sense, failed to answer too many questions it should have had answers for, and was inconsistent with too much else I was learning at the time. Haven't seen anything since that would change my mind.

Probably the opposite of the sort of reset you had in mind...
Yes because it's "faith" one must have to believe & you don't so you came to your conclusion. No one can fault you for that. Others simply don't agree & thats fine too!
 

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WEF It benefits the wealthy who run it!
Yes, DC, members of the WEF are experiencing temporary personal enrichment. They assume a future seat at the global governing table, failing to recognize that the entity behind it does not share power.
 
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Yes because it's "faith" one must have to believe & you don't so you came to your conclusion. No one can fault you for that. Others simply don't agree & thats fine too!
No actually, I don't think that's fine. Believing something is true in the absence of any evidence for it, or as often happens in this context, contrary to the evidence (creationism comes to mind), is always a mistake.
 

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By the goofy metric of what Motar is repeating as defining a theologian, then even an agnostic would be a theologian.
 

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By the goofy metric of what Motar is repeating as defining a theologian, then even an agnostic would be a theologian.
Yes, JT. Anyone giving thought to the existence or nature of God is a theologian.
 

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No actually, I don't think that's fine. Believing something is true in the absence of any evidence for it, or as often happens in this context, contrary to the evidence (creationism comes to mind), is always a mistake.
But it's a mistake that is theirs to make.
 

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Yes, JT. Anyone giving thought to the existence or nature of God is a theologian.
I don't think so. A theologian is someone who is versed in or engaged in the study of theology. Merely wondering from time to time if "god" really exists or not doth not a theologian make.
 

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In Philippians 2:1-11, believers are exhorted to seek to have the mind of Christ, DS. In posting what Jesus thinks of children and their faith, I am sharing my thoughts. My worldview is informed and inspired by His.

The Great Reset of God in Christ precedes and supersedes that of the current global resetters. God’s Great Reset in Christ is individually voluntary, spiritual, transformational and eternal. The current global reset is universally mandated, circumstantial, technological and temporary.

Why was the Great Reset initiated by God? Why is the current global reset in play?
God’s Great Reset was initiated to restore His creation. The current global reset is an imitation aimed at defying Him.
 

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I don't think so. A theologian is someone who is versed in or engaged in the study of theology. Merely wondering from time to time if "god" really exists or not doth not a theologian make.
The general revelation of God in creation and specific revelation of God in Scripture are available to all.
 

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But it's a mistake that is theirs to make.
Of course, and if they'd leave it there things would be fine, but too many of them don't. When people believe they're absolutely right, with no possibility of error, it's a short step from "My faith requires me to do X," whatever X might be, to "My faith requires *you* to do X," or conversely, from "My faith forbids me to do X" to "My faith forbids *you* to do X." They will perceive they have both the right and the duty to interfere in the lives of those who don't share their faith, and if they have the secular power to do so, they'll force it on others. History is replete with examples. Faith therefore has to be challenged, to justify its claims and dogmas, and if it can't survive skeptical scrutiny--and it can't, it usually responds instead by trying to shut down such inspection--it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
The general revelation of God in creation and specific revelation of God in Scripture are available to all.
Revelation is not a useful guide to finding out what's true. Much of the social and cultural history of the western world over the last four centuries or so can be understood as religion retreating from making claims about the nature of reality in the face of the scientific revolution and losing its secular power along the way. And that's a good thing.
 

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No actually, I don't think that's fine. Believing something is true in the absence of any evidence for it, or as often happens in this context, contrary to the evidence (creationism comes to mind), is always a mistake.
What do you mean by evidence, DS?
 

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