The God Particle

[Praxius]

Actually, it's all perfectly simple, you too can appear to know far more than you actually do. :smile: All you need is the basic understanding, a knowledge of how to use Google, a couple of good reference books near at hand, a browser that'll display multiple windows or tabs, and a wide screen monitor and a big desk so you can see everything at once. And take your time composing a post.

That's what I usually do.... I remember bits and pieces of something I read/learned in the past, then I just double check the common explinations, etc. online to confirm that I didn't get something crossed.

Yes even though it may still seem I have someting crossed when I actually post, that's usually because I have several other things in my head I'm taking into account which I don't yet explain (Sorta to help lead the debate into it later on.... and to reduce how long my posts become.)

 

[MHz]

Therefore, if the event horizon pulls you in, to me, it makes sense that it's be just like dipping your foot in a strong river current which would suck you along. There is resistence here on earth when considdering the river idea, but how much resistence is there in space to cause this massive pulling effect that may kill you?

Using your river idea a black-hole would not be like a river that is flowing mostly horizontal (and slightly verticle otherwise it would be calm water). A black-hole would be the part of a river that forms a waterfall. Water, at a certain point, starts increasing speed when it passes a certain point. Due to gravitational effects, once it is in free-fall it's speed increases, the water is moving faster at the bottom of the falls than it is when it just starts to fall freely.
Instead of using a human body, what you had was something that had elasticity. One end attached to a string, it is just strong enough that it doesn't stretch when hanging. You then start to lower it at a constant, but slow, speed, so it touches the water just where the water starts to free-fall. The first part starts to move at the same speed as the water, that starts to stretch the material. The longer it is in the water the greater it's speed because it is keeping up with the speed of the water. At a slow enough original descent speed into the water the first part of the material is at the bottom of the falls before the last part of the material is in the water at the top of the falls. Once the first part of the material is at the bottom it's speed slows down as the river starts flowing horizontal again. A really stretchy rubber-band might be able to return to it's original shape once it is all at the bottom but something like a piece of gum will never reform it previous shape, it will be 'longer and less wide'.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

But in space, gravity for the most part is zero...

You may be labouring under a fundamental misapprehension here. There's no place in space where gravity is not present, that could happen only if the universe contained no mass. Perhaps you've been misled by the appearance of zero gravity among people in orbiting vehicles...? They're not free of gravity, they're simply responding to it freely, they're in free fall. Depending on their altitude, the force of gravity where they are is down to about 94 to 98% of what we feel on the ground. Gravity binds the solar system together, it's responsible for the large scale structure of the galaxy, it binds our galaxy and the Andromeda galaxy (over 2 million lightyears away) and a few dozen smaller nearby galaxies into what's called the Local Group, which is gravitationally bound as part of the Virgo supercluster of galaxies... gravity is everywhere. It's not very strong in most places--consider that a small magnet can lift a nail against the entire mass of the earth and its gravity--but it's there. Given that the earth is about 4.7 billion years old, its gravitational effect extends about 4.7 billion light years in all directions and is spreading at the speed of light.

Granted, its effect is vanishingly small that far out, in fact it's vanishingly small just on the scale of the solar system--at the distance of the moon it's about .02% of what it is down here on the surface, unless I've slipped a decimal point somewhere--but again, it's there. It diminishes rapidly with increasing distance, that's the gradient (i.e. rate of change) I mentioned earlier, but near a compact massive body like a black hole, the gradient can be pretty severe.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I was hoping to find a number that is in % of a light years from any galaxy that is headed in the opposite direction, I could then divide that by 2 to get how fast our world is heading away from where the big bang took place.

I think you too are labouring under some fundamental misapprehensions. The big bang took place everywhere, there's no location in the universe you can point to and say "that's where it happened." You seem to be thinking of an explosion taking place in a pre-existing spacetime, but the big bang created the spacetime we're in.

You also need to understand that velocities don't add in a straight line. No relative velocity (and all velocities are relative) greater than the speed of light is possible. If you're watching an object receding from you at .9c, then you start going the opposite direction at .9c, you can't just add the velocities to get 1.8c. What you'd then see is that object receding from you, to six digits of accuracy, at .994475c.

 

[MHz]

Actually, it's all perfectly simple, you too can appear to know far more than you actually do. :smile: All you need is the basic understanding, a knowledge of how to use Google, a couple of good reference books near at hand, a browser that'll display multiple windows or tabs, and a wide screen monitor and a big desk so you can see everything at once. And take your time composing a post.

Crawling around the web is a great resource. After you go through any article you have certain opinions. Sometimes you agree, sometimes you don't. When you don't agree that is either because you have heard something or you have just had an original thought for you, it is often called a question. An original question that you had might have been thought of before by somebody somewhere before. Maybe not.
For instance, a little while back I saw a program about when the moon hit the earth. In summary besides the great graphics it had a story-line. Hit, moon forms closer to earth, bigger tides, etc. Very wild weather, high winds being one thought. I agree that there might have been bigger storms than today but I disagreed as to what caused them. The programs theory is that the earth was spinning faster, Slow spin=slow winds, fast spin=fast winds. That would indicate the outer space would be trying to slow down the atmosphere (mixing creates winds), aren't winds temperature driven. What would cause wild weather would be cause by liquid water falling as rain would hit a very warm earth and evaporate quickly, add cold ait that would come from the north (always cooler the further away from the tropics) that could result in very high winds. However in the lowest parts of the earth could have been sheltered from the highest winds (jet stream) The lower areas might have been in a perpetual 'mist.

I can't find any info on somebody covering that particular 'view', if i had i would have done a copy & paste. As long as I put it as a question it invites a response and it's only a thought anyway. No proof can be offered, for either.

This can be observed today.
Lots of thermal heat from the ground and water you get fog, very little solar warming. In fog you get diffused lighting only.

Now I'll give you an example of copy & paste, in another thread.

 

[Tonington]

There has been a lawsuit filed in a Hawaii District Court.

http://www.lhcdefense.org/LHC_Legal_Defense_Fund.html

 

[MikeyDB]

Tonington

WOW talk about yer synchronicity...

In a post I just recently contributed to CC I mentioned the very machine yer talkin about!

Is it the fear of dragging the essence of god out of a few wayward leptons and quarks that's got these folk all worked up or is it to reserve the process for American interests?

What's their chief bitch?

 

[Tonington]

What's their chief bitch?

Uncertainty. From stranglets to black holes. They're suing the US agencies involved as well as the CERN.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There has been a lawsuit filed in a Hawaii District Court.

Interesting. The plaintiffs don't appear to know the difference between a proton, an ion, and an atom.

 

[Scott Free]

Why do I have a nagging feeling that as soon as they turn this thing on and it starts to make these particles, that half the planet will be obliterated?

Meh, who cares?

I don't think it will cause any damage here. Besides this thing won't create an implosion so we'll be safe IMO. It should be the source of many pretty pictures for years to come.

 

[Tonington]

Interesting. The plaintiffs don't appear to know the difference between a proton, an ion, and an atom.

Nope, and if you read at the end of their claims (15), they assert that they are experts in physics and other fields of science. I thought it was funny.