The Gender of a Soul

eanassir

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Didn't Wolfie say in a thread somewhere something along the lines of no food or sex in heaven? lol This would mean that if there is such a thing as heaven and such things as souls, there are no genders there either.
hehehe I personally find the idea of a place where the lion lays with the lamb a bit boring and therefore repulsive. I'll pass on that busride and take the cab somewhere I wanna go. lol

In heaven, there is food and drink; but all that is only for pleasure; i.e. if he does not eat he will not die; because he will have died and become an immortal and perpetual soul.

In addition, there is sex in Paradise (or the kingdom of heaven), in the form of wives and houris that are specially exclusive for the righteous man.

There are the most beautiful scenes of water falls and flowing rivers and fruit gardens.

There, man will find the luxurious apartments, palaces, viellas, cottages and tents (with furniture) according to their rest and comfort and what they like and according to their ranks and righteous work in the World ; all that is ethereal that can be used by souls only.

There, they will be friends and brothers (with no rancor or hatred), talking and enjoying themselves with wine and friendly talking.
Paradise (or the Garden)
Description of the Gardens (or the Paradises)
Trees of Paradise



 
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.... Assuming the existence of a soul, the debate regarding transgenderism being 'against God's plan' loses me based on the fact that I have never, in all my life, heard any argument that states that a soul has a gender. In all my time learning within the church, I have been told that a soul is born of God, and a body born of earth. But I have also been told that God is genderless. If God is genderless, why would we assume our notions of gender are anything more than the biological side of our existence, something which would disappear upon our exit from this existence? When it has been scientifically proven that gender identity is prone to natural mistakes, hormone fluctuations and errors, why would we think that it is 'concrete' in God's eyes?


1st off.... speaking about things that lose someone, why are these changes always considdered "Natural Mistakes, Hormone Fluctuations and Errors?" Whoever claimed these things were errors or mistakes in the first place?

To answer that myself, I feel people see these things as mistakes and errors because of what they were told in their religions as "normal." In other words, it's a generalization what what humans should be based on the majority.... male / female and straight, because that is what everybody was acustomed to. Anybody who thought or acted any differently were flawed, mistakes, sins.... monsters if you will.

Everybody assumes God is a male, because of what was described in Genisis, where he created Adam in his image 1st.... therefore people assume God is a man.... then Eve came along, which seems to be open to all kinds of debates, including which came first, Adam or Eve, was the story influenced based on the era it was written down, etc.

Maybe we're all supposed to have various sexual preferences and bodies to our minds.... but perhaps due to humanity's triat of attacking and ridiculing things they are ignorant or afraid of, one could simply say that they decided to dictate what is right and wrong based on their own comfort levels.

Take Iran for example and how they claim there are no homosexuals in their country.... yet they continue to hold public executions of those they found guilty of being gay. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it true.

2ndly..... If one is supposed to take the Bible as it is written, and people dictate that being gay or transgendered is wrong.... then how do those same people explain how the human population grew based on two people? In order for that to happen, eventually humans would have to be required to perform incest within the family lines..... and that's supposed to be wrong.... so what's up with that?

Speaking of wrong things....

Now.... in regards to a soul/spirit having a gender prior to birth, that I can not directly agree with, as there is no evidence proving this.

The way I see it, is that your conciousness, personality and identity is something that remains with your through your various lifetimes.... but it is your parent's genetic makeup that determines what gender you will become in your new life. That genetic list of instructions on how you are going to be formed is what determines how your conviousness, personality and identity will form over your new lifetime.

In other words, how the DNA structures your brain patterns and physical form via Estrogen or Testosterone is what forms your overall preferences in sexuality and mentality. If you were born in a female physical body, however various mental portions of your mind that determine how much testosterone and estrogen are not matching the "Normal" pattern, then you are going to have some chance that you're going to turn out leaning towards a homosexual trend in your life.

Your physical body, in struture, is the vessel that carries your conciousness / soul / spirit, and your conciousness/soul/spirit is directly affected to the chemical and physical reactions to your physical body. When you die, your spirit/soul leaves this broken vessel and returns to where it came from filled with your entire life experiences to add to the overall collective of universal knowlege built up by not just yourself, by everything else in creation, for at least since the creation of this universe.

Nobody's life is going to be perfect, everybody is going to have their own difficulties and trials to overcome.... this includes sexual orientation. Nobody's life is the exact same as another persons through and through and chances are, your next life after this one won't be the same either. Even if you did attempt to select an identical life for the next time through.... time itself will have changed it's outcome, due to where you will be born, what gender you will become, the technological advancements and environmental factors at play, etc...... you could be born the exact same gender, hair color, and loving family, but time in itself has enough effect to change your life's overall outcome, among many other factors.

I've posted my personal beliefs of what I think existence is, what our purpose for living is, and many other concepts that relate in other forums in the past (Not sure if I posted them here) but in my belief, I am who I am today, but when I die, anything after that is up for grabs. Will I ever come back? If I do, will I still be a human? Would I even be the same gender? Would I even still be connected to the family I grew up with in this lifetime and possibly become my own ancestor?

In other words, would I come back as a straight-Irish-male.... or will I come back as a homosexual-female-Beaver?

If we do come back to this existence over time, I sure as heck don't want to continually spend it as a male, and I am sure that eventually I would like to experience what it is to be a female.... and then back to male again....

So my short answer is No.... I don't believe our gender is directly connected to our souls/spirits.
 

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lol I spose. Altrhough that makes me wonder how many heavens there are. Lotta people seem to have differing views on what the place is. IE- isn't the Islamic heaven full of virgins? That begs the question if it is full of them, do they stay virgins or are they like real versions here on the planet?

There are two paradises:

The first one: in the world of souls following death (but before the Day of Judgment); this is the Garden of Refuge.

The second: following the Judgment; this is the Garden of Prosperity (or Everlasting); none enter this Paradise unless after the completing of his trial or judgment; to have his degree.
This is in the Quran 55: 46-78
وَلِمَنْ خَافَ مَقَامَ رَبِّهِ جَنَّتَانِ ...الخ
The explanation:
(But such as fears the station of his Lord, for him shall be two Gardens – [: the Garden of Abode and the Garden of Everlasting.]

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Having abundant branches.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Therein two fountains of running [water.]

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Therein of every fruit are two kinds.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Reclining upon couches lined with silk brocade; the fruit of both Gardens is near to hand.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Therein are [girls] restraining their looks, whom neither man nor genie [: demon] will have touched before them.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

[Pure] as rubies, [nice] as coral.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Can there be any reward for good [work in the World] other than good [reward in the Hereafter]?

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

And besides these two, there are two [other] Gardens.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

[These Gardens may only be entered by] rushing in hardly to them.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

There are two fountains pouring [water] from above to below.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Therein [will] be fruits, date-palms and pomegranates.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Therein are righteous [women], so beautiful.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Whitish women that dwell in tents.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Whom neither man nor genie [: demon] will have touched before them.

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Reclining on green 'pillows put one above another', and [on] fair 'Abqari' [carpets that had been made in Abqar.]

Which is it then, of the bounties of your Lord, that you both [: man-kind and demon-kind] deny?

Blessed be the name of your Lord, endowed with majesty and honor.

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1st off.... speaking about things that lose someone, why are these changes always considdered "Natural Mistakes, Hormone Fluctuations and Errors?" Whoever claimed these things were errors or mistakes in the first place?

I'd say that when someone is horrified at the notion that they will grow breasts and have a period, because their consciousness is dictating to them that they are male, then it's a problem, an error, and not just in society's makeup, but, within that person. I think that's a pretty fair assumption.
 

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According to my daughter's belief system, souls live many many lives, and leave the body
when the body dies, and then exists out in the solar system somewhere, (she could explain that, I can't), and when the right body is born for that soul, it will enter and live
another life, and on it goes, and she explains that the soul becomes more mature and
experienced with every life it leads, and can pick and choose the body it wishes to enter.

I will ask her if she believes there is a gender for every soul.

Yeah that too in a nut shell is what I think I was explaining above in my previous post.

Smart kid you got there ;-)
 

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I'd say that when someone is horrified at the notion that they will grow breasts and have a period, because their consciousness is dictating to them that they are male, then it's a problem, an error, and not just in society's makeup, but, within that person. I think that's a pretty fair assumption.

I disagree. I believe there is a very good portion of this mentality affected directly by our culture and society that has been built up for centuries.

From the moment we're able to use our hands and gurggle spit, our parents (The greater majority) have always instinctively given us boys toys, or girls toys based on our physical makeup. Pretty much from day one we're grown to believe what is the "common normal" which is male and female.... straight.... as little kids we're raised to believe we're supposed to be attracted to the opposite sex, we're supposed to marry them and we're supposed to have kids to raise in the exact same manner.

Even if our parents never promoted this approach to growing up and tried to keep things neutral (Such as allowing your son to play with barbie dolls) you still have to battle the rest of society..... school, co-workers, family, friends, the media.... when you look at the overall spectrum of society's views, although we are entering an era where homosexuality and the sort is accepted more then ever before, the big picture is still that being gay is still not "Normal."

And due to our superficial ways of society and always trying to fit in as best we can, many are affected by this greatly. They'll hear stories of people who were like them who were made fun of in school, beaten up because they wern't manly enough, or they were too butch. Chances are they are already different from most they goto school with and they know that as soon as they are about to hit adolecence, they would much rather fix the things they think are wrong with them before those things ruin their chances of being accepted into society.

I certainly know first hand how far one can and will decide to go to make sure they "fit in"

Another way you could look at it, is that if you think these things are "Mistakes" or "Errors" Then you're just admitting that you feel homosexuality and transgendered people are "Mistakes" or "Errors." You might not think that personally.... but they both go hand in hand, and if you feel one thing is, then so too is the other.

In this example you broke this off from (The Australian girl getting the operation) You claimed that it should be done because she is claiming she will harm herself if she has to go through puberty..... and something must be wrong chemically in their brain to be so insistent of getting the operation or they'll hurt themselves, even commit suicide even....... which is where I assume you came to the conclusion that it must be a "Mistake/Error"

.... 20 years + ago, how many homosexuals harmed themselves or commited suicide because of how they were? Now how much more accepted has it become in todays society and how many homosexuals are harming or killing themselves today? Not as many, because there is less flack coming their way, they're not being singled out and beated by the majority like they used to.... more and more are starting to ignore the bible bangers and their sin fingers, and starting to accept the way they are and are proud of who they are.

Why would the above case be anymore different and how does society and their collective views not have a direct effect on their perspectives and approaches in their lives based on them being "Different?"

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And I'm not saying that girl in question can be "cured" of how she thinks through therapy. She thinks the way she does now, and there's no turning back the clock on her upbringing and how to deal with those feelings. I personally wonder how many times in her childhood she did something that her parents might have said "Don't do that, boys do that." and collectively added onto her thoughts of her way of thinking/acting as being wrong.

How many times was she thrown into groups of other girls to play, only to be viewing them as different from you and then distancing herself because she couldn't relate?

How many times was she continually hanging out with the boys, only for her parents to get worried about her getting hurt or haning with the wrong crowd?

Regardless of how we attempt to accept those who are different from us, there is still always a little bit of bias in everybody's personality towards those different from them.... I even have this to a degree.... we all do. And parents usually have a bit more of an instinct in wanting their children to grow up like they did, or close to how they grew up, and they try and give them their old toys, or get them to play the games they used to play..... and when the child grows up not liking the same things in the same way as the parent, they know there's something different about them... and then it all goes back to wanting to be accepted.
 
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.... 20 years + ago, how many homosexuals harmed themselves or commited suicide because of how they were? Now how much more accepted has it become in todays society and how many homosexuals are harming or killing themselves today? Not as many, because there is less flack coming their way, they're not being singled out and beated by the majority like they used to.... more and more are starting to ignore the bible bangers and their sin fingers, and starting to accept the way they are and are proud of who they are.

Why would the above case be anymore different and how does society and their collective views not have a direct effect on their perspectives and approaches in their lives based on them being "Different?"

I don't think you can really compare transgendered individuals and homosexuals Prax. I've never heard a homosexual express a desire to be anything but accepted. As such, I don't view it as anything having 'gone wrong'. They don't want to change. They're comfortable in their body, happy with their person.

But I've never heard of a transgendered person being happy without making the modifications they feel are necessary. Be it for societal reasons or not. And, consider the fact that society is, by default, the natural realm of the human being. Thus, it IS part of the nature that impacts these individuals.
 

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I don't think you can really compare transgendered individuals and homosexuals Prax. I've never heard a homosexual express a desire to be anything but accepted. As such, I don't view it as anything having 'gone wrong'. They don't want to change. They're comfortable in their body, happy with their person.

They do now... for the most part, but you're not going back 20+ years of mentality to see what they did go through in which the transgendered are now. Back in the 1900's and before, the focus was mostly on homosexuals as being different, a sin and should be hauled into institutions to be "Rehabilitated" Tansgendered people were not the main focal point of this agression..... and this rejection of society cause a large amount of homosexuals to think there was something wrong with them (Just like transgenders) and they would end up being depressed, harming themselves, committing suicide, kicked out of their homes and cut from their families..... homosexuality was a very hard burden to carry by many back then.

However while society has focused more on accepting homosexuals, transgenders have not had the same amount of focus and as in the above example, they are resorting to threats of harming themselves or just plain harming themselves regardless, because they don't feel accepted and they don't feel right about themselves.

(It was the harm factor I was referring to in comparisons)

But I've never heard of a transgendered person being happy without making the modifications they feel are necessary. Be it for societal reasons or not. And, consider the fact that society is, by default, the natural realm of the human being. Thus, it IS part of the nature that impacts these individuals.

To me personally, and I don't mean this in some ignorant or offensive way, but I feel those who are transgendered are homosexual who just haven't accepted who they are and mentally have been affected more by their differences and seek to be accepted more by society..... and homosexuals are those who have accepted how they are and are fully willing to live their lives the way they currently are.

To me, this doesn't make them the exact same, per say, but it's a different stage in their mentality..... they are affected more so by this difference, so they desire to match by operations and physical apperance.... but I don't call it a "Mistake/Error" ~ If there is an error or mistake, it lies in societies failure to be more tollerant and acceptable to those who are different.

Then again, one could look at it like someone who is overweight..... some will accept they're fat, and not give a rats ass what others will think..... and others will get sick and tired of the insults and not being accepted and then seek an operation to make themselves thinner.... to be more "Normal." ~ Does this make them "Mistakes/Errors?"
 

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... and others will get sick and tired of the insults and not being accepted and then seek an operation to make themselves thinner.... to be more "Normal." ~ Does this make them "Mistakes/Errors?"

If you can pinpoint something that has changed from the way a 'normal' body develops, that is causing that body strife and discomfort, yes, something has gone wrong. There has been an 'error' in the natural flow of things. For example, adenovirus 36. It's an illness, that makes many people overweight. It creates an error within the body. A purely natural problem, one that doesn't mean the person is 'wrong' or wrecked, or should be ostracized in anyway, but, there is a dysfunction there.
 

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well Wolfie is wrong about the food thing for one, apparently there are the trees that have fruit on them all year around, which is a strange thing to say as where do they calculate a year from. ? But that's besides the point there are trees with fruit, Eg: food. And with fruit you can make beer maybe there's just no hangovers in heaven lol

Paradise is the product of this World; i.e. it includes the ethereal copy of the contents of this material World.
The trees of Paradise are the spirits of the trees of this World; they have all the fruit that were on them in this World, but the fruits in Paradise are only ethereal that can be eaten by ethereal souls. See here an imaginary drawing of a date-palm that had produced fruit for five years during the life of this World, then it was cut; and all the fruit and leaves of its five years remained on it, but in the spiritual form, not the material.
An imaginary drawing of an ethereal date-palm

The fruit on the trees of Paradise are available all time, while the fruit in the present World is only seasonal.
Trees of Paradise

The wine will not be manufactured there (because there is no fermentation there and there is no disease); but the wine of Paradise is the ethereal copy of the wine of this World, which will not finish; because it will perspire (after being drunken by the man) and return to its jar or vessel; as will the fruit return to its branch on the tree after perspiration from over the stomach or the upper abdomen. And such fruit will not finish and the trees will not be depleted of the fruit.
Trees of Paradise


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well Wolfie is wrong about the food thing for one, apparently there are the trees that have fruit on them all year around, which is a strange thing to say as where do they calculate a year from. ? But that's besides the point there are trees with fruit, Eg: food. And with fruit you can make beer maybe there's just no hangovers in heaven lol

Paradise is the product of this World; i.e. it includes the ethereal copy of the contents of this material World.
The trees of Paradise are the spirits of the trees of this World; they have all the fruit that were on them in this World, but the fruits in Paradise are only ethereal that can be eaten by ethereal souls. See here an imaginary drawing of a date-palm that had produced fruit for five years during the life of this World, then it was cut; and all the fruit and leaves of its five years remained on it, but in the spiritual form, not the material.
An imaginary drawing of an ethereal date-palm
This is in the Quran 2: 25
وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِين آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ أَنَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ كُلَّمَا رُزِقُواْ مِنْهَا مِن ثَمَرَةٍ رِّزْقاً قَالُواْ هَذَا الَّذِي رُزِقْنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَأُتُواْ بِهِ مُتَشَابِهاً وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا أَزْوَاجٌ مُّطَهَّرَةٌ وَهُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
The explanation: (But bear the glad tidings [O Mohammed] to those who believe and work righteousness, that for them are gardens below [the trees of] which rivers flow;

whenever they are provided with fruit therefrom, they say, 'This is what we were provided with before [: in the life of the World]',

and they shall be provided with the like [: the angels will provide them with other kinds of fruits, like the many kinds of apple and grapes];

and there are purified wives for them therein [such wives are purified from urine, stool and menstruation],

and they abide therein [living] for ever.)
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The fruit on the trees of Paradise are available all time, while the fruit in the present World is only seasonal.
Trees of Paradise

The wine will not be manufactured there (because there is no fermentation there and there is no disease); but the wine of Paradise is the ethereal copy of the wine of this World, which will not finish; because it will perspire (after being drunken by the man) and return to its jar or vessel; as will the fruit return to its branch on the tree after perspiration from over the stomach or the upper abdomen. And such fruit will not finish and the trees will not be depleted of the fruit.
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lol I spose. Altrhough that makes me wonder how many heavens there are.

The Paradise of Abode is only a temporary one, to which the righteous monotheists :) their souls) flee and resort.
The Paradise of Prosperity (Bliss or Everlasting) is perpetual, which now consists of seven ethereal layers or heavens, but on Doomsday they will be eight; the eighth is the product of the planets of our solar system (that will break up on the next Doomsday.)

 

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Perhaps it's that once you get there and gender has been erased, EVERYone's a 'virgin'.

The material structure is the mould for forming the ethereal structure; i.e. without the material, the ethereal cannot be formed.

Once the required period of 40 days passes, the ethereal formation will be firm and established and will never collapse or crumple; this is like the cement after putting it in the mould, then few hours later, it will solidify; but if immediately we remove the mould from the cement, this cement will crumple.

The ethereal soul is the true copy of the material body; it takes its shape and the details of its organs; among such organs are the sexual organs of male and female; therefore the male will produce a male soul, and the female will produce a female soul.

The hymen of the woman will be intact in the soul, and the foreskin will be intact in the soul of man (unless the man had been circumcised before the age of 40 days; because after passing of 40 days of age, the soul will then retain the (ethereal) foreskin.

A man, who lost his leg in this World, will have his leg intact in the next world of souls. In like manner, all other organs: any organ lost, it will not be lost from the soul.

Therefore, all women in Paradise will be virgin and youth.

This is in the Quran 56: 34-38

وَفُرُشٍ مَّرْفُوعَةٍ . إِنَّا أَنشَأْنَاهُنَّ إِنشَاء . فَجَعَلْنَاهُنَّ أَبْكَارًا . عُرُبًا أَتْرَابًا . لِّأَصْحَابِ الْيَمِينِ

The explanation:
(And [maidens as beautiful as] butterflies, up-raised [from the earth to the Gardens.]

We have formed these [maidens, out of ether], a perfect formation [inside the moulds: of their bodies.]

And made them virgins.

That are spotless and [youth] like of age.

[All of that will be] for the [men] pertaining to the right.)



 

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I remember reading a book once where there were these creatures that were, essentially, ethereal souls. They were neither male nor female - but they could, however, take on the identities of "masculine" and "feminine" depending on what role they played. Gender isn't necessarily just a physical thing, is it? Can it not be how we identify ourselves, how we act and feel?

It is surprising: why is all this denial and ignoring of the sex, and describing it as evil?

Does anyone accept for himself / herself to be without sex, which in fact is his / her identity?

The sex is not bad, unless it is in the bad ungodly way: like raping, adultery and homosexuality.

Otherwise it is very good and is a perfection of the nature of man and animal and the plant even.

But there is some presumptive idea that many of them cannot cross.

This is in the Quran 7: 189
هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُم مِّن نَّفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا لِيَسْكُنَ إِلَيْهَا ...الخ
The explanation: (He it is Who created you from one soul [: Adam], and made of its [likeness] his mate [: Eve]; that he might have "comfort and satisfaction" with her [: his soul will be delighted with her and will not worry and will not feel lonely].)


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If Heaven is equality, that sort of rules out gender. Heaven' s also an abstract concept so there IS no right or wrong....

Heaven is justice, not equality.

Paradise has much more differences and preferences than in this World: Some will be in a most severe chastisement, and others in a most degree of prosperity.

Even Paradise and Hell has degrees of happiness and torment.

This is in the Quran 17: 21
انظُرْ كَيْفَ فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَلَلآخِرَةُ أَكْبَرُ دَرَجَاتٍ وَأَكْبَرُ تَفْضِيلاً
The explanation:
([O Mohammed] see, how We prefer some of them over others! [: in this World in everything].

And surely the Hereafter is greater in ranks and greater in preferment.



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Yeah that too in a nut shell is what I think I was explaining above in my previous post.

Smart kid you got there ;-)

She is a very smart person, university educated, and very conscious of many aspects of life, but in this instance, I don't believe a word of it, as I am not a believer at all, and
have my own path I follow, but I respect each and everyone's right to do that.
 

eanassir

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According to my daughter's belief system, souls live many many lives, and leave the body
when the body dies, and then exists out in the solar system somewhere, (she could explain that, I can't), and when the right body is born for that soul, it will enter and live
another life, and on it goes, and she explains that the soul becomes more mature and
experienced with every life it leads, and can pick and choose the body it wishes to enter.

I will ask her if she believes there is a gender for every soul.

These are only words without proof; there is no such "Transmigration of souls".
Man has his chance in his Worldly life to which he has to pay whether good or bad; and the soul cannot live except in its body during the material life; while in the world of soul, he / she will live forever.

This is in the Quran 23: 99-100
حَتَّى إِذَا جَاء أَحَدَهُمُ الْمَوْتُ قَالَ رَبِّ ارْجِعُونِ . لَعَلِّي أَعْمَلُ صَالِحًا فِيمَا تَرَكْتُ كَلَّا إِنَّهَا كَلِمَةٌ هُوَ قَائِلُهَا وَمِن وَرَائِهِم بَرْزَخٌ إِلَى يَوْمِ يُبْعَثُونَ
The explanation:

(Till when death comes to one of them, he says: "O [angels of] my Lord, return me [to the Worldly life.]"

"That I may do good in [the wealth] that I left behind."

No, this is merely a word that he speaks;

but behind them there is a barrier [: the world of souls] until the day they will be sent forth [to the Hereafter.] )

There is no transmigration of souls

 

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These are only words without proof; there is no such "Transmigration of souls".

Man has his chance in his Worldly life to which he has to pay whether good or bad; and the soul cannot live except in its body during the material life; while in the world of soul, he / she will live forever.

This is in the Quran 23: 99-100

حَتَّى إِذَا جَاء أَحَدَهُمُ الْمَوْتُ قَالَ رَبِّ ارْجِعُونِ . لَعَلِّي أَعْمَلُ صَالِحًا فِيمَا تَرَكْتُ كَلَّا إِنَّهَا كَلِمَةٌ هُوَ قَائِلُهَا وَمِن وَرَائِهِم بَرْزَخٌ إِلَى يَوْمِ يُبْعَثُونَ

The explanation:

(Till when death comes to one of them, he says: "O [angels of] my Lord, return me [to the Worldly life.]"

"That I may do good in [the wealth] that I left behind."

No, this is merely a word that he speaks;

but behind them there is a barrier [: the world of souls] until the day they will be sent forth [to the Hereafter.] )


I know, in my heart, that there is no such thing as a soul, a soul is all about what you
'feel', and that comes from the heart, which 'doubles' as your soul. BUT enough of
that, (i'm not suppose to say there is no soul), so lets pretend I didn't. OK?

My daughter would argue strongly with your above statement, and she would have
some very strong (spiritual)evidence to prove you wrong, so we'll have to leave it
there, cause she didn't know I sent this post mentioning her belief.
 

eanassir

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Then why is justice depicted by a balanced scale?

Woof!

lone wolf; it is clear that in heaven there is justice: to reward anyone according to his work whether bad or good; therefore they will not be equal. Will the criminal be like the good-doer?
Moreover, not all the righteous will have the same degree; some righteous are preferable to other righteous men according to their belief and work. This includes the apostles also.
God said in the Quran 2: 253

تِلْكَ الرُّسُلُ فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ

The explanation: (These [tales of the] apostles [: messengers, We relate to you; of whom] did We prefer some above others [by specifying him with special criteria.] )

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