The first soora in the book of the Quran

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Guys like Selfsame are terrified of strong women.


I prefer my kick boxing MMA types to post.
Oh, no criticism! I think your MMA ladies are wonderful.

I tell you my opinion about this:
You already told me your opinion. And it was imbecilic. But do continue.

Tel Aviv and USA wanted to remove the ruler of Syria, but Russia intervened, and the situation was serious, that may progress to more serious consequences; then Russia and USA decided that they should not intervene in Syria, and leave the Syrian to decide this by themselves.

But it is the strategy of Tel Aviv and USA to remove the ruler of Syria.
Therefore, Tel Aviv and their ally the USA brought and supported such groups to accomplish this task.
That is why Tel Aviv give them weapon and support, and they pretend they are against them.

To prove this: See that they have not taken serious and quick action against them.
And recently Cameron said: he will take action against such groups after 2 months!

And to prove my opinion also: I tell you, why have such groups appeared now and not before?
Moreover, what benefit USA got from occupying Iraq, then they withdrew from it? Was it a picnic, but only to the advantage of Tel Aviv.

And if you want to be sure of this, see what Russia say, because they will expose each other.
And how does blowing up other Muslims advance your cause of defeating Tel Aviv?
 

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Seems less combative too. Maybe he's just had more practice. It was the mention of Al-Hilly in the OP that suggested it to me, eanassir was fond of citing him in defence of his claims.
 

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Seems less combative too. Maybe he's just had more practice. It was the mention of Al-Hilly in the OP that suggested it to me, eanassir was fond of citing him in defence of his claims.
It took eanssir a couple of years to lose his cool. With the heckling he's getting this time around, if it is him, he'll lose it soon enough.
 

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The one positive thing about this book is this
It is consistent in its ignorance.
It is time to live in the twenty first century.
Oh and I see your brothers in the religion of peace
murdered some people in the USA today
Such fine upstanding citizens reading their holy book
 

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The one positive thing about this book is this
It is consistent in its ignorance.
Have you read it carefully?

It is time to live in the twenty first century.

I think you may belong to the twentieth century? :)


Oh and I see your brothers in the religion of peace
murdered some people in the USA today
Such fine upstanding citizens reading their holy book

Why do you believe this all at once? Who knows the truth? Of course Muslims are also people like others, but who put the knife in the hand of the killer? You don't know.
Tel Aviv supporters and their lobby killed John F Kennedy and accused a Palestinian man, then they killed the killer in order to obliterate the truth.

Muslims count more than one billion people.
All of them are good or evil !?
Who said it is the religion of peace.
Communists claimed they work for global peace; was this true?

The global peace will not settle unless the Paraclete (Or the Mahdi or Elia who will appear in the Last Days.)
The Disagreement of the

Seems less combative too. Maybe he's just had more practice. It was the mention of Al-Hilly in the OP that suggested it to me, eanassir was fond of citing him in defence of his claims.

Dexter, your candle has not burnt yet?

Trying to get spiritual nourishment from a 2000 year old book

The thing that make some people say such words about the Glorious Quran,is as I think, they did not read it and certainly did not study it; so they say things that are not correct.

Moreover, the translation depends on the understanding of the translator about the Quran, who depends on the explanation that he finds available.

And because the Muslim commentators did not understand a large part of the Quran, so the translator will give puzzling and obscure meaning of the ayat of the Quran.

To me I depend on a marvelous interpretation that makes things clear.

But I tell you this: I don't think that you will listen or discern the truth about the Quran.

This is because I consulted God about that, by the Quran, and it came the following ayat (or other similar ayat)and their meaning is:

Soora 27: 80-81: the explanation:
80. Truly you [Mohammed] cannot cause the dead to hear d, nor can you cause the deaf to hear the call [especially] when they turn back [away from you e.]

81. Nor can you [Mohammed] guide the blind aright, out of their error [in religion] f;
you can only make to hear those who believe in Our revelations, and they are submissive [to Us g.]
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d It means: These associaters are like the dead: they cannot hear what you say to them.
e God – be glorified – said as in the interpretation of the aya: (when they turn back [away from you]), because one may hope that the deaf may hear the speaking, but when he goes away, one will lose hope in letting him hear his words.

Therefore, God – be glorified – likened the one insisting on ignorance like the deaf who has gone away from you and has not heard your words.
f So God – be glorified – likened the one straying away from the religion like the blind who missed the way.
g And complying with our religion.
 
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Why do you believe this all at once? Who knows the truth? Of course Muslims are also people like others, but who put the knife in the hand of the killer? You don't know.
Tel Aviv supporters and their lobby killed John F Kennedy and accused a Palestinian man, then they killed the killer in order to obliterate the truth.
Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy, not John, you flaming imbecile.
 

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Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy, not John, you flaming imbecile.

Before this post of yours, I haven't considered you imbecile.
Don't you know that most of the Kennedy family were killed or assassinated?
John, Robert and others.
In addition to that many presidents of USA had been killed, like Abraham Lincoln and others.
Who killed Abraham Lincoln? They say: the killer was a sectarian or racial one, but in fact Lincoln was killed because he established the independent American currency, rather than seeking loans from the rich Jewish Rothschild family.
 
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You won't learn any truth by reading paranoid conspiracy theories. American currency was established by the Continental Congress late in the 18th century, almost a century before Lincoln came along. All that happened in his term was that the U.S. dollar became the sole currency, states could no longer issue their own. It's idiotic to think European Jewish bankers had him killed for not borrowing money from them. Are they still promoting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion where you live?
 

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Before this post of yours, I haven't considered you imbecile.
Don't you know that most of the Kennedy family were killed or assassinated?
John, Robert and others.
In addition to that many presidents of USA had been killed, like Abraham Lincoln and others.
Who killed Abraham Lincoln? They say: the killer was a sectarian or racial one, but in fact Lincoln was killed because he established the independent American currency, rather than seeking loans from the rich Jewish Rothschild family.
And who brought down the World Trade Center? Bush? Or da Jooz?

Just what we need, another Islamonazi.
 

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And who brought down the World Trade Center? Bush? Or da Jooz?

Just what we need, another Islamonazi.

It could be Bush, or his colleagues; ask many of the American who may give some answers.
This is a probability, but anyhow, it is a certainty that Bush and his group took it an opportunity to attack the poor Muslim countries to increase their misery.
 

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It could be Bush, or his colleagues; ask many of the American who may give some answers.
We certainly have our share of conspiracy lunatics.

This is a probability, but anyhow, it is a certainty that Bush and his group took it an opportunity to attack the poor Muslim countries to increase their misery.
Well, two poor Muslim countries.
 

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We certainly have our share of conspiracy lunatics.
Well, two poor Muslim countries.

It is not any conspiracy.
Iraq was not poor; but Afghanistan: yes.
What did US benefit from destroying Iraq, then leaving it burning by the fire of its enemy?
Who is doing the sectarian conflict?
The sects were there before their intrusion, so why there wasn't such conflict before their coming?
When US forces came, they said: a sectarian war will arise! How did they know that? Unless there had been a designed plan beforehand?
Who benefited from destroying Iraq and the other countries in the region?
 

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It is not any conspiracy.
Actually, it's a delusion, but "conspiracy theory" is the accepted term.

Iraq was not poor; but Afghanistan: yes.
You chose the term.

What did US benefit from destroying Iraq, then leaving it burning by the fire of its enemy?
Lotsa cash for the defense industry.

Who is doing the sectarian conflict?
The members of the sects who would rather kill people than build a decent life.

The sects were there before their intrusion, so why there wasn't such conflict before their coming?
Because Saddam would kill the annoying ones.

When US forces came, they said: a sectarian war will arise! How did they know that? Unless there had been a designed plan beforehand?
Yep, conspiracy theory.

Who benefited from destroying Iraq and the other countries in the region?
Asked and answered.
 

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Lotsa cash for the defense industry.

Of course this is wrong obviously. They can get such cash without war. But it was a service done for the behalf of their friends in Tel Aviv.

The members of the sects who would rather kill people than build a decent life.

Where were they before?

Because Saddam would kill the annoying ones.
And before Saddam, why there weren't such sectarian conflicts? And who brought Saddam and taught him the CIA ways to deal with his people, and to make wars for the advantage of the imperialism and Zionism?
 

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Of course this is wrong obviously. They can get such cash without war. But it was a service done for the behalf of their friends in Tel Aviv.



Where were they before?


And before Saddam, why there weren't such sectarian conflicts? And who brought Saddam and taught him the CIA ways to deal with his people, and to make wars for the advantage of the imperialism and Zionism?
Actually, Saddam mostly learned his trade from the Soviets.
 

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Where were they before?


The Sunnis were in control and beat the Shia like red headed step children daily.... much like they are doing now.


And before Saddam, why there weren't such sectarian conflicts?


Because the Baath and Sunnis had complete domination over the Shia.


And who brought Saddam and taught him the CIA ways to deal with his people, and to make wars for the advantage of the imperialism and Zionism?


As T-Bones said... the Soviets. Saddam learned his ways from Stalin. Kill any traitors, kill people who may someday be traitors, kill any threats or potential threats.... kill kill kill. Stalin.
 

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That's me. . . worst among mankind.
Move over, there are about one billion of us with you, proud to be non-believers [sic], or rather believers of the religions and beliefs of our forefathers. And to selfsame I say, do not be fooled by the intellectual cripples and moral degenerates who claim to be running our country at present--if you anger us you will find there is not enough guns, or bombs or tanks on earth to protect you from us--so be warned, you provoke us at peril to everything you hold sacred.

In the Quran non-believers have not become non-believers, but only they are the worst among mankind.
What does that mean in English. Hint, try a non-literal translation--might not make more sense but at least it won't be self-contradicting.