You invoke the American democratic Party as an insturment of the left and that in of itself reports your whole understanding of the left, you have none, only the American right refers to the democrats as leftys, leftys know better. The American democratic party ceased to speak left decades ago, your wages at Honda, Toyota and Nissan are still because of the work of the labour union movement.You speak of the socialists movements time as having come and gone, are poverty disease and ignorance gone? A fair days pay for a fair days work is and always has been the hallmark of the labour movement. Find me a benevolent capitalist enterprise that fairly deals with it's workforce without the obligeing work of the labour movement. There hasn't been an increase in the real wages of north american workers since the early 70s, and you think the labour movements time has come and gone, think again.:laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::laughing7::wave: