The End of Reason

[Jay]

Dan Brown's phenomenal bestseller...

Was proven to base on BS anyways.

Dan Browns best seller is a great read, and a money making machine, that’s it.

I've never read The Da Vinci Code, but I fully intend to...but I will point out a few things about the book that seem to escape mention by those who seek to debunk it...

Firstly, and most importantly, the book is a work of fiction. While it draws upon history, and presents some facts, it does not need to be absolutely truthful, as we must consider instances of artisitic license in the telling of the tale.

Secondly, as evidenced by the vociferous outrage of the Catholic Church over this work of fiction, Brown must have hit pretty close to the mark on many of the details he's set forth.

There are some simple reasons this isn't factual, while I understand it is a work of fiction, there are some things in it he states are facts, which are false, and well known to be false. I read the book, I encourage you to too. I couldn't put it down, and it really had me going for a minute, but when I looked into the allegations further, I found it to be just a book.

I still dream of Red Heads though...

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: The End of Reason

They always seemed a little stuffy that way to me.

Calling them a little stuffy is pretty charitable of you Rev. My mother's father lived in rural southern Ontario, the heart of uptight Protestantism in this country, and he used to tell a tale which may be apocryphal but certainly could be true. There was a young Presbyterian minister who served two churches several miles apart, and one Sunday after a nasty blizzard the roads were blocked and he coudn't get to the second church for services. But the ice on the river had blown clear, so he skated the few miles and made it. He was hauled up before the elders of the congregation to be disciplined for unlawfully having fun on the Sabbath. He got himself off the hook eventually when one of the more freethinking members gave him the opening he needed by asking the critical question, "Did you enjoy it?" Being no fool, he said he didn't, it was cold and miserable, and that made it alright.

Cute story.

I live in Southwesern Ontario. I'm protestant. Maybe I'm stuffy too.

 

[Jay]

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I believe I'm one of them, because I hear his voice.

Really? You mean literally, you hear a voice? Or do you mean that metaphorically, you get ideas and feelings that you believe come from Jesus?

I'm going to leave this up to your imagination.....I will be a lot more fun for you that way. :wink:

 

[Jay]

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So Jay is everything you read in the bible considered the truth? Why so many contridictions in the Bible?

I'm not 100% sure I'm the guy to help you out no1important...

Do I believe 2 of every living thing went into the arch....no I don't, do I believe in other things in the bible....yes I do.

 

[peapod]

I enjoyed your story to dex, although I did not find it cute, I did find it honest and warm. Thank you for sharing it with us.

 

[passpatoo]

As typical for me, I'll post this link then cut and run for others to debate. I happened across it a little while after following this thread and it seemed relevent.

This is useless to the discussion passpatoo...your argument has as much merit as saying "Coke tastes better than Pepsi"...the results are entirely subjective, and not conducive to any critical analysis...

So too can we apply empiricism to the delusional rantings of someone suffering from dementia to ascertain their inherent truths, and through empirical analysis, these can be affirmed, but that does not make them true.

The Scientific Method

Proponents of religious assertion and faith must change the nature of the question to conform to their beliefs as they cannot be held up to any application of the scientific method...and therefore cannot be verified as fact.

Theologians tend to run to the limitlessness of philosophy to try to appeal to humankind's innate quest for truth, because they have no purview in the realm of science...and because there is no limits to philosophy, anything can be held as a truth...as when their religious ideology is shown as an untruth, the question will be changed, to allow for the desired result...

This neither proves, nor disproves anything, and so therefore is meaningless to our discussion...

I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had made an arguement??

"Hmmm... Interesting. Didn't know there were drive-by philosophers. "

Perhaps there are. I simply only find the time to follow the discussions here while at work. Young kids and dial-up connection at home make reading there almost impossible.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Young kids and dial-up connection at home make reading there almost impossible.

My sympathies; been there and done that, and you're smarter to spend the time with your kids anyway. You'll always get more out of that than you will out of this, even with a high speed connection. :wink: No offense intended, I was just amused by the way you phrased it, so I made light of it.

 

[passpatoo]

No offense taken.

 

[no1important]

*All of our knowledge about Jesus comes from the Bible.
*The Bible was written by the followers, fans and supporters of the Jesus myth, and it was his followers aim to glorify him.
*.Our or your only source of information is written by basically "groupies".
* Christians often claim that Jesus is one of the best documented figures in history but this is not true. Writers and historians of the time do not mention him.