The earthquakes that follow the total solar eclipse.

[#juan]

Those men might have trained to some excercises before they had went to Moon. The little gravity that Moon may have is because of the heat it acquires from Sun.

eanassir

Didn't you tell us you were an educated man? A doctor of medicine perhaps? How can you possibly think that sunlight, or heat, has anything to do with gravity. That the Appollo astronauts had to blast out of the moon's gravity well to get back, and that benign objects can orbit the moon should tell you that the moon has gravity.

 

[ShintoMale]

Those men might have trained to some excercises before they had went to Moon. The little gravity that Moon may have is because of the heat it acquires from Sun.

heat from the sun has nothing to do with gravity science illiterate!

 

[eanassir]

Some essential points have to be explained here:​

• The total solar eclipse may be followed by some strong earthquake:

This is my idea and personal opinion; I based it on the observation that some strong earthquakes followed the total solar eclipse.​

• The gravity is because of the heat of the object which in turn is due to the movement of its internal particles:

This is said by the late inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Cause of the gravity​

• In the Quran, the implication of the gravity is mentioned in many ayat of the Quran, like in this aya 35: 41

إنّ اللهَ يُمسكُ السماوات و الأرضَ أن تَزولا و لَئنْ زالتا إن أمسَكَهُما مِنْ أحدٍ مِنْ بَعدِهِ إنّهُ كانَ حليما غفوراً ​

The explanation:
(Surely, God holds back the heavens and the earth, that they escape not [the gravitation of the sun];
and if they were to escape [the gravitation of the sun], no one else than Him could hold them.
He is Ever-Clement [and] Most Forgiving.)​

And He said – be glorified – in the Quran 41: 11

ثُمّ اسْتَوى إلى السماءِ و هِيَ دُخانٌ فَقالَ لَها و لِلأرضِ ائْتِيا طَوعاً أو كَرهاً قالَتا أتَينا طائعِينَ ​

The explanation: (“Then He tended to [build]* the sky and it had been smoke; He said to it and to the earth, ‘Come, both of you, willingly or loath.’ The two said, ‘We [all] have come obedient.’)
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[*i.e. to make the layers of the gaseous sky distinctive, and to build or to arrange it in successive layers.]
The interpretation: The ‘sky’, here, means the gaseous layers,
>> ( He said to it) means: to the sky,
>> ( ‘Come, both of you) to the force of gravitation.
>> ( willingly or loath.’ The two said, ‘We [all] have come obedient.’); that is because the gaseous layers are attracted to the earth, i.e. every planet has its gaseous layers attracted to it, so that wherever the planet goes the gases [go] with it.​

The word "willingly" means they came to the gravity willingly, and the word "loath" means they divided: that initial earth (originally was a sun) divided into nine parts by loath, and the smoke that filled the initial atmosphere divided into seven gaseous layers; but they obeyed their Lord and divided and that was by loath.

And there are some other ayat related to the gravity. For more ayat and more explanation, see here:
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[Tonington]

This is my idea and personal opinion; I based it on the observation that some strong earthquakes followed the total solar eclipse.​

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Eanassir,

It might make for better conversations if you shared the observations upon which your assumption rests, being that this is the science and environment sub-forum. The excessive quoting of rhetoric doesn't make your claims true.

For instance, the gravity is because of the heat? Heat is radiated away, gravity is an attraction. Totally different forces. Also, gases escape earth all the time. Sometimes the gases go where the planet does not, though it is true that the planet also carries it's gases along with it. These things in reality, aren't without caveats. Like my example of the gases above.

Which kind of shreds the physical explanation of what your god does with the planet and our heavens. If He is the only able to hold them apart, and He the only one capable of capturing them, why does He let them go? Why would He need to recapture it? Surely what He throws out, He doesn't want back? Second thoughts doesn't sound decisive, and certainly not divine.

Why do you insist on polluting a science forum with your very antithesis of it?

 

[eanassir]

heat from the sun has nothing to do with gravity science illiterate!

Shinto, [Shinter is more musical and like poetry!]
See my reply on page 2 at 04:33 PM to Dexter, Lester and to some other new newbies like Trex [Trexer is more musical and like poetry!] :smile:​

Of course all of you are zealous in defending the science, lest perhaps some false information should be inserted! :-|​

( Well, I don't know how many faces man can wear, but I think only one, and any other personality almost cannot be hidden )
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We know that there is the gravity, and there is the energy.
But what is the nature of the gravity, and what is the nature of the energy?​

The gravity is there, but its explanation and its cause is different; i.e. they said it is because of the mass of the object; yes the mass of the hot object is important in deciding the strength of its gravity;
but still the object energy (derived from the heat and this in turn being derived from the movement of its particles) which will decide its gravity. ​

If a cold object has a mass like that of the sun, will such cold object have gravity similar to that of the sun? In other words: if the sun becomes a cold object, will its gravity be the same as it is now?​

If Moon is flaming, will its state of gravity be the same as it is now?​

In other words: the energy of the hot object is more than the energy of the cold one. And the gravity is a manifestation of the energy of the object.
Cause of the gravity​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Some essential points have to be explained here:​

• The total solar eclipse may be followed by some strong earthquake:

This is my idea and personal opinion; I based it on the observation that some strong earthquakes followed the total solar eclipse.​

• The gravity is because of the heat of the object which in turn is due to the movement of its internal particles:

This is said by the late inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Cause of the gravity​

Well, I suppose those are the kinds of stupid conclusions you'll come to when you rely on a 1400 year old religious text for scientific information and don't know how to think clearly. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that solar eclipses produce earthquakes, and gravity is entirely unrelated to the temperature or heat content of an object. Evidently you believe otherwise based on your religious texts. So explain this: how is it that we can accurately land spacecraft on other planets in our solar system, predict eclipses of the sun and moon and occultations of other bodies to the second, calculate tides with complete accuracy, and many other things, using gravitational equations that clearly indicate mass and distance, not heat or temperature, are the determining factors? Your favourite late inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible was ignorant, uneducated, and almost entirely wrong. And so are you. You're not even consistent in your ignorance. A few posts ago you claimed the moon has no gravity, then you claimed it has a little due to solar heating. Have you ever seen the gravitational equations of Newton or Einstein? Heat and temperature don't appear anywhere in them, yet they work with extraordinary accuracy. How can this be if heat is the controlling factor as you claim?

 

[eanassir]

For instance, the gravity is because of the heat? Heat is radiated away, gravity is an attraction. Totally different forces. Also, gases escape earth all the time. Sometimes the gases go where the planet does not, though it is true that the planet also carries it's gases along with it. These things in reality, aren't without caveats. Like my example of the gases above.

Tonnington,

The heat is a manifestation of the energy of the object, as is the gravity another manifestation; as I have just explained in the previous reply.

About the gases: the meaning is that the atmosphere of each planet is attracted to it by means of its gravity; so that wherever the planet moves its atmosphere, as is its water and other contents, move also with this planet.​

Which kind of shreds the physical explanation of what your god does with the planet and our heavens. If He is the only able to hold them apart, and He the only one capable of capturing them, why does He let them go? Why would He need to recapture it? Surely what He throws out, He doesn't want back? Second thoughts doesn't sound decisive, and certainly not divine.

It means: God – be glorified – holds the planets in their orbits around the sun, by means of the gravity of the sun; without this sun gravity these planets will fly out or escape into the space. Actually, on Doomsday, the sun will burst and the planets will escape its gravity and will fly out in the space, and will in their turn burst into many pieces that will be gravitated by the nearest sun and so on.

While, your question: why should He do that; this is because of His true promise of destroying the present solar system [in the next Doomsday] as had He destroyed the previous solar systems, and the pieces of those destroyed planets became the meteorites that are still falling on the present planets. While the previous sun burst up and became the present planets of the present solar system.

Therefore, whenever a solar system is destroyed another new solar system will issue in stead of the previous one, and will be filled by people and creatures to worship God alone.
Formation of the new planets



eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The heat is a manifestation of the energy of the object, as is the gravity another manifestation; as I have just explained in the previous reply.

No, gravity is a manifestation of the mass of an object, not its energy. Heat, mass, and energy have very specific and precise definitions in physics, and you don't appear to have any idea what they are.

 

[Tonington]

There are many different forms of energy Eanassir. That doesn't mean all forms of energy act in the same way. They can be transformed through specific mechanisms, but that's not the same thing at all. I wouldn't advise consuming a radioactive material to obtain your dietary energy needs. It's not the same kind of energy at all.

Yes, I got your explanation about the gases in our atmosphere the first time. I don't have reading comprehension problems.

He's going to destroy our solar system by bleeding gases off of Earth, and presumably other planets?

 

[eanassir]

Well,...

I have put your words in italics.

"Well, I suppose those are the kinds of stupid conclusions you'll come to when you rely on a 1400 year old religious text for scientific information and don't know how to think clearly." ​

This 1400 years are annoying you with your rage; things will go opposite to your desire; while the stupidity and foolishness is the attitude of the atheist.​

"There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that solar eclipses produce earthquakes, and gravity is entirely unrelated to the temperature or heat content of an object. Evidently you believe otherwise based on your religious texts." ​

Now we shall leave be your words style: like You … You are … Absolutely … Evidently; but believe me every bad word you uttered, you deserve it more.​

O.k. let us see what you have said: ​

"So explain this: how is it that we ​

The word "we" is better replaced by the word "they"; because it is not you but they achieved that.

"can accurately land spacecraft on other planets in our solar system," ​

The equations of gravity are applicable, but the cause is different. And such landing did not come according to theoretical equations alone but after many practical tries and many failures have been there, before they succeeded.​

"predict eclipses of the sun and moon and occultations of other bodies to the second," ​

This has nothing to do with the equations of the gravity, or whether the gravity is because of the heat.​

"calculate tides with complete accuracy, and many other things,"​

This is not related to the gravity equations but to astronomical observations. ​

"using gravitational equations that clearly indicate mass and distance, not heat or temperature, are the determining factors?" ​

The gravity in practice is applicable and has nothing to do with its being because of heat or not.​

"Your favourite late inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible was ignorant, uneducated, and almost entirely wrong. And so are you." ​

This is your usual style that you cannot use other than it; of which you are more worthy.​

"You're not even consistent in your ignorance. A few posts ago you claimed the moon has no gravity, then you claimed it has a little due to solar heating."​

It has no gravity of its own.​

"Have you ever seen the gravitational equations of Newton or Einstein?
Heat and temperature don't appear anywhere in them, yet they work with extraordinary accuracy. How can this be if heat is the controlling factor as you claim?"​

This is your playing with words: heat is the cause of the gravity; the mass of the hot object is an important factor as is its distance.​

And what do you know about Einstein, whom they give much propaganda because he was a politician and he belong to a certain sect who are very intelligent more than the rest of people. Yes, he was intelligent, genius and a good university professor; but there is much propaganda and extraordinary praising. ​

 

[eanassir]

He's going to destroy our solar system by bleeding gases off of Earth, and presumably other planets?

Tonnington,​

There isn't anything like bleeding the gases to cause the Doomsday.
Read the subject of http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity​

Read it carefully, even though it was written in Arabic by one who only could read and write Arabic, and don't let this to be an obstacle to hinder you from discerning the truth. And read with it:
Cause of the gravity
Proving that the gravity is because of the heat​

The heat is the indicative mark of life in objects and bodies.​

Any cold object is dead, does not rotate around itself and has no gravity.
Any hot object is alive, rotates around itself and has gravity: It gravitates the cold objects and the objects less than it in heat, and which are near to it.​

When the sun loses its heat it will convert into an earth with a crust, and then it will burst together with the rest of the planets – this is Doomsday.
Before the earth will break up in the next Doomsday, it will become cold after losing its internal heat by time.​

See the changes that will occur in our Earth prior to the Doomsday; these changes which are now manifest at Venus as had they been manifest in Mercury.​

And see at our website:
http://universeandquran.site.io​

a detailed description of the portents of the Doomsday:
The sky will be upset
The sky will be filled with fire and smoke
And many other related subjects.​

 

[L Gilbert]

You claim he has been wrong, is wrong, and will be wrong, which basically states a mentality that you downright refuse, let alone accept anything he claims.... that wasn't a jab, that was a general observation.... and if you can't learn to grow the hell up and drop the "Child" bullsh*t, then you got some serious problems pal, since I have been keeping this debate civil to this point.

Look, if eanassir continues to reference his Koran as a scientific tome, then I will continue to make fun of it and naysay any "science" he repeats and interprets from it. If you want to accept his posts as evidence, that's your problem.

Try and keep it civil, if that's not too complicated for you. I pointed your name out in paticular because I required to focus detail on what I was about to say, which agreed to the majority of what you said, but I had to point out the things I didn't.

No it isn't too complicated for me. It isn't me that has the habit of swearing and using abusive terminology. I called you twit once, and child several times because that is what you remind me of when you get all petulant, pouty, and foul-mouthed. That's not a jab, just an observation.

Please try and read more carefully what is being said and how next time, before we start another sh*t storm over nothing..... which seems to always be created by yourself in each thread directed to me due to your own slack ability to read what was said properly.

Is that an order? Sorry, I don't follow orders. Especially when it is fun to annoy you.

*smacks head*

Did I not just say I didn't? FFS what's wrong with you?

You're the knowitall. You tell me.

Yeah and science is about as flawed as religions in the first place..........

Not a chance, Bub. Religions start out wrong from the get go, and only after science keeps plodding along and amending its own findings does religion finally make excuses for itself and eventually bends to what science discovers. Was it religion that came up with the laws of gravity? The theory of evolution? The laws of thermal dynamics? The theory of relativity? Just what HAS religion discovered?

.........has continually got things either totally wrong, or they realized they went at it with the wrong approach.... after testing their concepts on the human population or other creatures on the planet for their own goals

Science isn't a "their". Science just is and scientists are human, also. But at least science can admit being wrong and amend its findings based on new evidence, new approaches, etc.
But if you would rather trust religion to explain the universe to you, you go right ahead, bubbles. lmao

I have about as much faith in science as I do in religions..... that doesn't mean I think both are crap.... that just means I know both are not perfect.

Well, aren't you just the regular Sherlock.

And here I am trying to keep this civil and with as little attitude as possible, and there you go continually trying to start a bicker fest with your own petty attitude.

:roll: Ignore my posts then. Jeez

Once again, grow up or don't bother to respond to me..... I couldn't care less if you do one or the other, but don't start crying and complaining about my attitude and what I say in your direction when you fuel the response with your own petty remarks.

I only return the favor, bubbles. You don't respond to me or refer to me in your posts and I will quit. Or is that too complicated for you?

 

[eanassir]

No, gravity is a manifestation of the mass of an object, not its energy. Heat, mass, and energy have very specific and precise definitions in physics, and you don't appear to have any idea what they are.

No, you are wrong; gravity is not mass; it is influence; it is some energy like the magnetism and the magnetic field; it is not related to mass manifestation.

 

[eanassir]

and that benign objects can orbit the moon should tell you that the moon has gravity.

What benign objects?

 

[L Gilbert]

There is a known tale which indicates some wisdom: 4 or 5 blind men were brought to an elephant to see what it is: one touched its body, he said this is a wall; another touched its tail, he said this is a rope, another touched its ear, he said this is a fan, and so on. It means each one saw one side of the truth.​

You, and all of us, studied in the school – starting from the secondary school to the college …etc – that the gravity depends on the mass and the distance. And this has become something non-debatable. Although it is evidently obvious that the mass and the distance are very very important and real factors in causing the gravity.​

But what is the gravity itself? And what causes it to be related to the mass? (i.e. what makes the mass have such a quality as the gravity?)
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity​

That theory does not consider the heat of the object as a factor in causing the gravity; but many observations in the near and far objects may indicate the heat has such a thing. So why not we should consider the heat as a factor in causing the gravity; this heat which is due to the movement of the internal particles of the hot object.
http://universeandquran.site.io/new_page_2.htm#Cause_of_the_Gravity_​

See the celestial objects: the very hot like the sun, the hot like the earth and the cold like the moon. If you leave apart the available theory of the gravity, then see:​

The hot object attracts the object with less heat: the sun attracts the earth and the planets; the earth attracts the moon; the moon has not any satellite to circle around it.
http://universeandquran.site.io/new_page_2.htm#Proving_that_the_Gravity_Is_Because_of_the_Heat_​

Therefore, why doesn't the moon – being of considerable size – attract any satellite to circle around it?​

Moreover, see in the links you have given, the writer confessed and admitted he was wrong many times and corrected his mistakes; because the science is the discovery of mistakes and to correct the mistakes continuously, or else it will be rigid and will not advance. And he gave many ideas and no one asked him: how can you assert that?​

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 35: 41

إنّ اللهَ يُمسكُ السماوات و الأرضَ أن تَزولا و لَئنْ زالتا إن أمسَكَهُما مِنْ أحدٍ مِنْ بَعدِهِ إنّهُ كانَ حليما غفوراً ​

The explanation: (Surely, God holds back the heavens and the earth, that they escape not [the gravitation of the sun]; and if they were to escape [the gravitation of the sun], no one else than Him could hold them. He is Ever-Clement [and] Most Forgiving.)

See the detailed explanation of this Quranic revelation in the Question 1 and its answer in the subject of: http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity​

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.site.io​

Your Koran has it backwards. Gravity has an effect on the temperature of things. Temperature has no effect on gravity. Google it .... you'll find a lot of hits referrencing gravity's effect on temperature of various things but nothing where temperature has an effect on gravity.

And you mention that science is continually correcting itself. There are reasons for that. The reasons have to do with evidence. And the evidence is demonstrable, unlike religious hypotheses. It seems that religions just say things and expect everyone to just accept these things as fact.

BTW, the laws of gravity are laws, not theories.

 

[L Gilbert]

The recent solar eclipse of this year August 1, has been followed 4 days later by a strong earthquake in China which has seen the total solar eclipse.
There had been some strong earthquakes following the past solar eclipses, but some of them in the adjacent regions to the TSE, and some in other regions.

It may be the lunar eclipse has no such effect of isolating the solar heat and gravity influence. The Moon has no gravity; had it had any, it would have kept some atmosphere on it. If there is any effect of the lunar eclipse it will be on Moon rather than on Earth; due to the augmentation of the gravity of both Earth and Sun in one line.

The gravity of the moon is about one sixth of that of Earth. It DOES have gravity. Go back to school.

 

[L Gilbert]

Those men might have trained to some excercises before they had went to Moon. The little gravity that Moon may have is because of the heat it acquires from Sun.

roflmao If that's what you want to believe, you go, boy.

 

[L Gilbert]

Do you do a science fic comedy number at Yuk-Yuk's? Judging by the acne, it looks like that heat draws meteors and stuff too. Hmm ... that would take a LOT of gravity, wouldn't it?

lmao Good point, Mr. Wolf.

 

[eanassir]

roflmao If that's what you want to believe, you go, boy.

What is this in your avatar, boy? Is it a genie or a sorcerer in the midst of fire? :-?

 

[eanassir]

The gravity of the moon is about one sixth of that of Earth. It DOES have gravity. Go back to school.

Yes, I know you read this in your school; they say as such, and they ascribe the tide to such gravity.
http://universeandquran.site.io/new_page_3.htm#The_mistake_of_Astronomers_about_the_tide