The earthquakes that follow the total solar eclipse.

[Kreskin]

I don't remember any solar eclipses on the west coast in the last year.

 

[Praxius]

Actually there's a perfectly simple way to test it: you just look for cycles in earthquake data with the same periodicity as the moon's motion. There aren't any.

Well obviously, or else that would mean the moon was the main reason for Earthquakes if that was the case, which it's not, nor is that what I was saying, since there are many other reasons why Earthquakes occur. But that doesn't mean the effects of a certain formation of an eclipse could cause them from time to time, depending on the situation and other factors at play.

My point is that gravitational effects are not the sole cause of earthquakes.

Gravity is a vector quantity, in physics' simplest formulation, and the various gravitational influences on the earth can be added in the routine way vectors are added. The vectors change direction significantly as the earth and moon do their little dance around the sun, but they don't affect each other.

Agreed.... or at the very least, they don't affect one another to any noticable amount that we are currently aware of that would be of any importance.

Can't let that one go by. The sun affects the tides as well, but because the moon is so much closer than the sun, the sun's effect is only about a quarter that of the moon, if my memory is correct.

Which also makes sense, not just by what you just said, but our changing position from the sun yearly causes temp. changes which also would modify the usual tidal pattern.... not to mention our axis rotation.

There are, however, noticeably higher tides when the sun and moon are lined up on the same side of the earth, as they are during an eclipse, and noticeably smaller ones when they're on opposite sides. Tides also affect the whole planet, not just the water on it. The whole planet flexes a bit, the effect is just more obvious on the water because it's so much less rigid.

So with that said, when the sun and moon are lined up, which from what you said can cause higher then normal tides, that would mean more volume of water, which means more overall weight positioned in one location..... that in itself could cause certain effects on the tectonic plates, via changing pressure.

Seasons are not due to earth's changing distance from the sun, they're due to the earth's axial tilt and the changing angle of incidence of solar radiation at the surface, which is why the seasons are different in the northern and southern hemispheres.

agreed mostly, however our orbit isn't a perfect circle, and as we move away from the sun on one portion of our orbit, that is what affects our axis, which both work hand in hand:

^ As our orbit runs along the same pattern as always, so too does our axial tilt.... and which is also why, for example, Canada's Summer isn't as strong as Australias, as when we are tilted towards the sun, we're also farther away, compared to when they are tilted towards the sun, they are also much closer..... which makes us more of a grass plains then a dessert in the summer time (In our hotter areas)

Think of it as one of those old KFC Oopie balls you used to get back in the 80's, were the ball was weighted on one end.

Summer in Canada is Winter in Australia. And vice versa of course. Earth is actually closer to the sun during a northern hemisphere winter and farther away in the summer. The difference in both cases is about 25,000 km from the average distance, again if my memory is correct. I suppose I could look it up... It's not much of a difference really, less than .02%, not enough to matter.

I dunno about that....

Ever wondered why there isn't an eclipse every lunar month? Eclipses happen when the moon gets between the earth and the sun, and it does that about 13 times a year, so why don't we see 13 eclipses a year? See if you can figure that one out.

Well for one thing, the axis tilt... and as a second:

It too isn't a perfect circular orbit.

 

[Praxius]

Scroll back and read again, child. It wasn't me that said there was no corelation. That was Dex. What I claimed was that EAnassir has been wrong, is wrong and no doubt will continue to be wrong ( I should qualify that and say that he can't be wrong all of the time, though).

You claim he has been wrong, is wrong, and will be wrong, which basically states a mentality that you downright refuse, let alone accept anything he claims.... that wasn't a jab, that was a general observation.... and if you can't learn to grow the hell up and drop the "Child" bullsh*t, then you got some serious problems pal, since I have been keeping this debate civil to this point.

Try and keep it civil, if that's not too complicated for you. I pointed your name out in paticular because I required to focus detail on what I was about to say, which agreed to the majority of what you said, but I had to point out the things I didn't.

Please try and read more carefully what is being said and how next time, before we start another sh*t storm over nothing..... which seems to always be created by yourself in each thread directed to me due to your own slack ability to read what was said properly.

Most likely, what causes the majority of earthquakes is Earth's own forces causing the tectonic movements.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean other things outside of the Earth can not play a factor at times.

At any rate if you want to take EAnassir's interpretation of the Koran as scientifically viable, go right ahead. lol

*smacks head* Did I not just say I didn't? FFS what's wrong with you?

It's not a theory; it's a hypothesis. And essentially, as there is no evidence of EAnassir's hypothesis being true, it might as well be claptrap.

Did I not just say this as well? I didn't say it wasn't a valid concept however.

Science operates on evidence, not maybes. Maybes only spark hypotheses. Maybe there are gods, leprachauns, etc.

Yeah and science is about as flawed as religions in the first place, has continually got things either totally wrong, or they realized they went at it with the wrong approach.... after testing their concepts on the human population or other creatures on the planet for their own goals.

I have about as much faith in science as I do in religions..... that doesn't mean I think both are crap.... that just means I know both are not perfect.

And here I am trying to keep this civil and with as little attitude as possible, and there you go continually trying to start a bicker fest with your own petty attitude.

Once again, grow up or don't bother to respond to me..... I couldn't care less if you do one or the other, but don't start crying and complaining about my attitude and what I say in your direction when you fuel the response with your own petty remarks.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Try these links for some real, quantitative information.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/tides.html
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planets.html
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/seasons.html

I see my memory was not correct on a few things too, 8O but I was right about general principles.

 

[Scott Free]

I just had a conversation with someone that figured aliens had a base on the dark side of the moon and were keeping the moon from rotating to prevent discovery. I jokingly asked him if he thought there were big rocket engines on the other side to which he answered maybe! 8O

 

[Praxius]

I just had a conversation with someone that figured aliens had a base on the dark side of the moon and were keeping the moon from rotating to prevent discovery. I jokingly asked him if he thought there were big rocket engines on the other side to which he answered maybe! 8O

Hey, it's possible.... then again, maybe the dark side of the moon is where Bush is going to hide when he's no longer President

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There is no dark side of the moon, at least not in the sense of it always being dark. :smile:

 

[Scott Free]

Don't tell Pink Floyd that!

 

[Kreskin]

Everything I know I learned from Pink Floyd.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There's a quiet voice-over at the end of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album (best heard with headphones) that says there's no dark side of the moon, it's all dark, it just looks bright because it's in full sunlight. It's right too, the moon *is* pretty dark on average, it reflects only about 10% of the light that hits it.

 

[eanassir]

Not a single true statement or correct conclusion there, as usual. There's no demonstrable relationship between eclipses and earthquakes. The earth has about 10 quakes greater than magnitude 5 every day, finding one near the path of an eclipse doesn't mean anything, especially if you allow, as some people do, time periods up to to several weeks after the eclipse to count the earthquakes it supposedly caused. The moon does not impede the sun's gravitational effects on the earth in an eclipse, that's not how gravity works. Gravity has nothing to do with temperature or heat either (they're not the same thing), Al-Hilly's explanations of gravity are entirely wrong, as you could easily verify if you'd consider sources of information other than the Quran and Al-Hilly's fatuous attempts to get scientific information out of it.

There is a known tale which indicates some wisdom: 4 or 5 blind men were brought to an elephant to see what it is: one touched its body, he said this is a wall; another touched its tail, he said this is a rope, another touched its ear, he said this is a fan, and so on. It means each one saw one side of the truth.​

You, and all of us, studied in the school – starting from the secondary school to the college …etc – that the gravity depends on the mass and the distance. And this has become something non-debatable. Although it is evidently obvious that the mass and the distance are very very important and real factors in causing the gravity.​

But what is the gravity itself? And what causes it to be related to the mass? (i.e. what makes the mass have such a quality as the gravity?)
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity​

That theory does not consider the heat of the object as a factor in causing the gravity; but many observations in the near and far objects may indicate the heat has such a thing. So why not we should consider the heat as a factor in causing the gravity; this heat which is due to the movement of the internal particles of the hot object.
http://universeandquran.site.io/new_page_2.htm#Cause_of_the_Gravity_​

See the celestial objects: the very hot like the sun, the hot like the earth and the cold like the moon. If you leave apart the available theory of the gravity, then see:​

The hot object attracts the object with less heat: the sun attracts the earth and the planets; the earth attracts the moon; the moon has not any satellite to circle around it.
http://universeandquran.site.io/new_page_2.htm#Proving_that_the_Gravity_Is_Because_of_the_Heat_​

Therefore, why doesn't the moon – being of considerable size – attract any satellite to circle around it?​

Moreover, see in the links you have given, the writer confessed and admitted he was wrong many times and corrected his mistakes; because the science is the discovery of mistakes and to correct the mistakes continuously, or else it will be rigid and will not advance. And he gave many ideas and no one asked him: how can you assert that?​

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 35: 41

إنّ اللهَ يُمسكُ السماوات و الأرضَ أن تَزولا و لَئنْ زالتا إن أمسَكَهُما مِنْ أحدٍ مِنْ بَعدِهِ إنّهُ كانَ حليما غفوراً ​

The explanation: (Surely, God holds back the heavens and the earth, that they escape not [the gravitation of the sun]; and if they were to escape [the gravitation of the sun], no one else than Him could hold them. He is Ever-Clement [and] Most Forgiving.)

See the detailed explanation of this Quranic revelation in the Question 1 and its answer in the subject of: http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Gravity​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

Earthquakes happen all the time, specially in some countries like Japan; but we should observe will strong earthquakes follow the total solar eclipse or not.

In fact, there had been many strong earthquakes following the past total solar eclipses.

 

[eanassir]

There's a quiet voice-over at the end of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album (best heard with headphones) that says there's no dark side of the moon, it's all dark, it just looks bright because it's in full sunlight. It's right too, the moon *is* pretty dark on average, it reflects only about 10% of the light that hits it.

We may say: the other side of the Moon is invisible to us; because it keeps the same face towards the earth: the visible face which will be once a crescent and once a full-moon, first quarter, last quarter and gibbus.
This is because it does not rotate around itself (of course you say it rotates around itself in the same period as it circles around the earth.)

 

[Praxius]

There's a quiet voice-over at the end of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album (best heard with headphones) that says there's no dark side of the moon, it's all dark, it just looks bright because it's in full sunlight. It's right too, the moon *is* pretty dark on average, it reflects only about 10% of the light that hits it.

Well of course it's not total black, but it's usually darker.... AKA the dark side.

Sort of like how the sun doesn't normally hit certain areas between my legs.... that's not to say the sun doesn't at all.... but compared to the majority of the rest of my body, it's rare.

Nice Redneck Speedo Tan I got *Insert Mental Picture here*

 

[lone wolf]

Have you noticed more earthquakes at high tide? ...or fewer at low tide (when we have lunar eclipses)

 

[eanassir]

As a broad example, if you take a pot of boiling water off the stove by an inch or two, it stops boiling... put it back on, and it boils up again pretty quickly. I would have to say that during an eclipse, this sort of thing can happen to the earth, be that on the surface, due to lack/more of UV exposure from the sun in that area, or perhap more deeper effects towards the Earth's Magma or Tetonic Plates.

In case there is some relation between the total solar eclipse (and to a lesser extent the subtotal also), then this may be useful in being aware and anticipating and predicting some imminent earthquakes that may occur in the regions of the total and the subtotal and the adjacent regions.​

There may be no effect of the Moon's gravity on the oceans and seas.
The Moon is without water, without internal heat, without atmosphere and without any gravity; if it had some gravity, it would have kept some atmosphere attached to it.
The mistake of Astronomers about the tide​

Then in case the attraction of the Earth to the Sun is because the Sun heat is more than the Earth heat, and here the Moon: a cold object may act in the solar eclipse as an isolator impeding the Sun heat (and also the local effect of the Sun gravity) from reaching the Earth in the regions having the solar eclipse, then this may be a factor of increasing or augmenting or causing some strong earthquakes.​

So if we see this evident in this solar eclipse and the past eclipses and the coming eclipses, then it is true.​

This is in the Quran 36: 40​

لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ​

The explanation:
(It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, neither does the night outstrip the day; but each [of the sun, the moon and the earth] is swimming along into a [specific] orbit.)​

God –be exalted – tells us that the sun, even though it is so big and so hot, and even though it is an attracting object; and the Moon: even though it is so small, devoid of heat and being an attracted object; in spite of these conditions, the sun cannot overtake the moon, and pull her to him; that is because of its being faraway from the sun and being nearer to the earth. All of that has only been possible with Our wisdom and by Our will.​

See the Question 4 and its answer in the subject of :
Moons and their formation​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

Have you noticed more earthquakes at high tide? ...or fewer at low tide (when we have lunar eclipses)

The recent solar eclipse of this year August 1, has been followed 4 days later by a strong earthquake in China which has seen the total solar eclipse.
There had been some strong earthquakes following the past solar eclipses, but some of them in the adjacent regions to the TSE, and some in other regions.

It may be the lunar eclipse has no such effect of isolating the solar heat and gravity influence. The Moon has no gravity; had it had any, it would have kept some atmosphere on it. If there is any effect of the lunar eclipse it will be on Moon rather than on Earth; due to the augmentation of the gravity of both Earth and Sun in one line.

 

[lone wolf]

If the Moon had no gravity, Ean, Neil and the boyz would still be floating about up there somewhere. See 'em bounce on the TV? Down is rather convincing evidence of gravity.

 

[eanassir]

If the Moon had no gravity, Ean, Neil and the boyz would still be floating about up there somewhere. See 'em bounce on the TV? Down is rather convincing evidence of gravity.

Those men might have trained to some excercises before they had went to Moon. The little gravity that Moon may have is because of the heat it acquires from Sun.

 

[lone wolf]

Those men might have trained to some excercises before they had went to Moon. The little gravity that Moon may have is because of the heat it acquires from Sun.

Do you do a science fic comedy number at Yuk-Yuk's? Judging by the acne, it looks like that heat draws meteors and stuff too. Hmm ... that would take a LOT of gravity, wouldn't it?