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See the whole history, see all the marvels of the universe... but the atheist will deny all that until he perishes and bites his fingers for his regret.. at that time it will be useless to regret or be sorry... but it will be part of the suffering of the disbeliever.

This will be in the afterlife:
Quran 34: 33, which means:
(And they will go on with [their] remorse when they behold the chastisement; and We put chains on the necks of the disbelievers. Were they requited [with such chastisement] for anything other than their [evil] deeds [and their disbelief and denial of the messengers.])

See also in this link about the punishment of disbelievers in the afterlife:
 
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No, the atheist simply understands that the existence of these marvels does not prove the existence of a paranoid old man in the clouds.

I could say fairies make the flowers grow. The existence of flowers does not prove the existence of fairies.
 

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Gods are handy things to have. You can use them to justify all kinds of horrible things just by having the proper authorities announce that it's what the gods, or god, wants. Animal and human sacrifice, ritual mutilation, genocide, war, slavery, murder, oppression and subjugation of whole races and classes of people... Religion's done them all in the name of some deity or other.
 

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God is One: the Creator and Most Gracious and Merciful; other gods besides Him are the falsehood of idolatry. Therefore, there should be no mixing of things to make confusion.
Human sacrifice, ritual mutilation, genocide, war (unless to defend the rights of people and to defend God's religion against the aggressive idolaters and disbelievers, and unless to defend the believers from the attack of idolaters and disbelievers), slavery, murder and subjugation of whole races and classes of people.. all these do not belong to God's religion but to idolatry, atheism, communism and other sects of falsehood and anti-God programs.
 

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Noah said to the idolaters among his people:
("And my advice will not benefit you, if I desire to advise you [more than that I have advised you], if God wills to entice you [to misguidance because of your wrong-doing];
He is your Lord, and to His [sentence] you will be returned [after your death.]")

Which is the meaning of the Quran 11: 34
 

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God is One: the Creator and Most Gracious and Merciful; other gods besides Him are the falsehood of idolatry. Therefore, there should be no mixing of things to make confusion.
Human sacrifice, ritual mutilation, genocide, war (unless to defend the rights of people and to defend God's religion against the aggressive idolaters and disbelievers, and unless to defend the believers from the attack of idolaters and disbelievers), slavery, murder and subjugation of whole races and classes of people.. all these do not belong to God's religion but to idolatry, atheism, communism and other sects of falsehood and anti-God programs.
So….where do you stand on the most recent attack on Salman Rushdie? 75 year old man stabbed at least 10 times….
 

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So….where do you stand on the most recent attack on Salman Rushdie? 75 year old man stabbed at least 10 times….
Rushdie has the same problem as Tamara Litch.
 

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all these do not belong to God's religion but to idolatry, atheism, communism and other sects of falsehood and anti-God programs.
That's the standard defense of any religion when people do bad things in its name, the perpetrators aren't true Christians, or Muslims, or whatever. It's specious nonsense, when the orders come from officials of the faith, you can't absolve it of responsibility that way.
 

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Look on the bright side, Dex. Come the End of Days, Torchy'll get to go adore Allah forever (think THAT won't get dull?) and we'll be in Hell where all the hookers and blow are.

"Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
--Mark Twain
 

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Look on the bright side, Dex. Come the End of Days, Torchy'll get to go adore Allah forever (think THAT won't get dull?) and we'll be in Hell where all the hookers and blow are.

"Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
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Yeah, I've always thought Hell would be a much more interesting place. And really, since every sect claims everybody but its particular followers are going to be there, and since at best only one of them can be right, we can reasonably conclude that pretty much everyone ends up there. Except the Jews, according to this, which will really burn Torchy's bottom.
 

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Well, they've had a few thousand more years to complicate things, and a tradition of serious scholarship to do it with. I admire them too though, probably the most consistently oppressed, persecuted, and reviled, group in the history of civilization, yet somehow they don't merely endure, they flourish.
 

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Well, they've had a few thousand more years to complicate things, and a tradition of serious scholarship to do it with. I admire them too though, probably the most consistently oppressed, persecuted, and reviled, group in the history of civilization, yet somehow they don't merely endure, they flourish.
Of course, their theology is no more sensible and no more supported than anybody else's, but least they give lip service to doing what's right because it's right, not because the Great Big Sky Daddy will give you candy and ice cream forever.
 

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Agreed, I've never encountered any theology that's sensible and supported, all any of them have is the argument from design (bankrupt), the argument from revelation (dumb), the argument from tradition (meaningless), and the argument from personal conviction (empty). But if belief in divine retribution ("God will get you for that") is all that keeps some people from raping, murdering, and pillaging all they want, as I've heard many of them claim, then I'd strongly encourage them to keep on believing, though I think that argument is pretty thoroughly self-damning. In fact, without belief I DO indeed rape, murder, and pillage all I want, but echoing Penn Jillette, the amount I want is none.
 

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When I say the atheist and disbeliever does not follow logic and they evade truth, some people may doubt this.

Therefore, it should be stressed that nothing in the Quran teachings invites to crime or wrong-doing or transgression.
Moreover, these atheists confuse the matter when they mix all religions with God's religion: the last heavenly religion of the Islam.

It will be good when we study the display of the message of prophets with their people, as in the soora 11 in the Quran, and how their people reacted to them with mockery, insisting and persisting on their traditions rather than worshiping God: the One God the Creator.
In this soora 11 and in many other sooras of the Quran, this is displayed in excellent way.
So although it is usual to us, it is not to others.

Prophet Noah of Nineveh, Hood of Erem in the south of the Arab Peninsula, Prophet Salih in north of the Arab Peninsula, and Prophet Shuaib in in Midain in Sinai, are mentioned in this soora in addition to Moses in Egypt who came after them.
When we see these stories, and the reaction of those ancient terminated people: the disbelivers and idolaters, we see much similarity between them and between the present time athsists and idolaters.