The Donroe Doctrine

petros

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Bingo. Of all the illusions vast numbers of Americans hold (and there are many), the one they most cling to is that in every country with a Dear Leader we don't like, there's a homegrown Thomas Jefferson who will emerge just as soon as we knock off the big dawg, and lead his country to peace, justice, and applying for statehood.
Forgive them father for they don't know what they do.
 

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You suffer abject slavery to the Democrat party .
My voting record would say otherwise, but don't let that get in the way of your utter ignorance.

What party are you in slavery to? I know Canaduh doesn't have an official Nazi party, so I presume one of the flavors of Conservative?
 

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My voting record would say otherwise, but don't let that get in the way of your utter ignorance.

What party are you in slavery to? I know Canaduh doesn't have an official Nazi party, so I presume one of the flavors of Conservative?
My record would say I am a Liberal if number of votes tallied was the criteria, but don’t let that get in the way of your utter ignorance.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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My record would say I am a Liberal if number of votes tallied was the criteria, but don’t let that get in the way of your utter ignorance.
See, that's the difference between curable and incurable ignorance. I didn't know, so I asked. You didn't know, so you made a statement based on not knowing.
 

Ron in Regina

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Interesting, in a historical context to lay a foundation for the Donroe Doctrine, at least as far as justification for the current Presidents behaviour to his neighbours in general and Cuba in particular? I had never heard of this before this morning and stumbled across it by accident. I was looking up project blue balls, & this was down the same rabbit hole.
 

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Interesting, in a historical context to lay a foundation for the Donroe Doctrine, at least as far as justification for the current Presidents behaviour to his neighbours in general and Cuba in particular? I had never heard of this before this morning and stumbled across it by accident. I was looking up project blue balls, & this was down the same rabbit hole.
Short version. . . we swiped Cuba from the Spanish in the Spanish-American War in 1902, and imposed a provision in the constitution of "independent" Cuba that the U.S. could "intervene" and "supervise" whenever absolutely necessary or we felt like it.

Over the decades, Cuba became a country of dirt-poor sugarcane and coca farmers and glitzy hotels on the coast with gambling, hookers, and blow for Yanks who were far too good Christians to do that stuff at home. Cuba was run for cheap sugar and easy access to the aforementioned GH&B until it decide to get really independent in 1959. Having experienced the U.S. version of capitalism, Cuba chose to be communist in name, though it doesn't really matter what tag you hang on a thugocracy. So we tried stupid interventions for a few years, which drove Cuba into the arms of the Soviets for self-defence. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Cuba fell on hard times, though they still cling to the "Communist" tag.

It's ultimate fate will be that of any other tropical island off the shore of a military and economic superpower. If they had sense enough to pound sand down a rathole, they'd go all in for GH&B, and use the proceeds to provide a decent life for their people (as well as mega-riches for the connected). But they don't, so what're ya gonna do?
 
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petros

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Short version. . . we swiped Cuba from the Spanish in the Spanish-American War in 1902, and imposed a provision in the constitution of "independent" Cuba that the U.S. could "intervene" and "supervise" whenever absolutely necessary or we felt like it.

Over the decades, Cuba became a country of dirt-poor sugarcane and coca farmers and glitzy hotels on the coast with gambling, hookers, and blow for Yanks who were far too good Christians to do that stuff at home. Cuba was run for cheap sugar and easy access to the aforementioned GH&B until it decide to get really independent in 1959. Having experienced the U.S. version of capitalism, Cuba chose to be communist in name, though it doesn't really matter what tag you hang on a thugocracy. So we tried stupid interventions for a few years, which drove Cuba into the arms of the Soviets for self-defence. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Cuba fell on hard times, though they still cling to the "Communist" tag.

It's ultimate fate will be that of any other tropical island off the shore of a military and economic superpower. If they had sense enough to pound sand down a rathole, they'd go all in for GH&B, and use the proceeds to provide a decent life for their people (as well as mega-riches for the connected). But they don't, so what're ya gonna do?
Canucks and the rest of the world have been going there for GB&H all along.
 
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Ron in Regina

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The Trump administration, in practice, is threatening to cut off that lifeline in order to secure access to one of the world’s richest copper deposits, which it can only access with consent from the Zambian government.
1777972022878.jpegZambia's government said on Monday that it opposed a U.S. attempt ‌to tie health funding to access to critical minerals, giving details for the first time about why negotiations with Washington over two proposed agreements have stalled.
Yet according to the latest UN data, only 31 percent of Zambia’s mineral exports are bound for China — Switzerland is a much larger benefactor, accounting for 62 percent of the African nations’ unrefined copper trade.
Zambia's Foreign Minister Mulambo Haimbe said the United States had offered support of up to $2 billion over the next five years in a proposed health agreement, but that some ⁠of the terms regarding data sharing would violate Zambians' right to privacy? Data sharing?
I guess Switzerland hasn’t allowed America to use its airspace for reconnaissance flights related to the Iran war, and it hasn’t sent its navy over to open up the Strait of Hormuz, but maybe that’s a different story.
Separately, he said Zambia had objections to the content of a proposed critical minerals agreement.
Though the exact demands haven’t been made public, the plan involves withholding some $115 million in support for vital HIV treatment programs, unless the Zambian government gives US companies more access to its vast mineral wealth.
"A further concern... is the coupling of the proposed agreements and frameworks to one another such that the conclusion of the critical minerals agreement is made conditional to the conclusion of the Health MOU," Haimbe said in a statement.
Back to Zambia, the logic looks even slimier once you zoom out. Zambia has copper, sure, but it’s the world’s seventh-largest producer of the stuff. Other countries like Chile have a lot more to go around, and they send a much bigger slice to China.
"The Zambian Government has been consistent that the agreements must be considered separately on their respective merits," he added. He did not specify ‌what ⁠health data the U.S. was asking for???
Chile, however, only receives a couple million dollars in US aid each year, a much weaker bargaining chip if you’re Trump or Rubio.
Regarding the critical minerals agreement, he said Zambia was reluctant to accept the terms due to an insistence on preferential treatment for U.S. companies. The U.S. State Department has said that it does not disclose details of bilateral coherencive shakedowns negotiations.
In this light, the people of Zambia don’t offer a strategic advantage so much as strategic convenience. With 1.3 million people dependent on the largess of the United States, the African nation would seem to have little choice but to submit to the shakedown: a squeeze meant to inflict maximum cruelty with minimum effort.
Health advocates had ⁠warned that the proposed health deal linked the money to mining access and brought data-sharing risks, but Zambia's government previously said only that parts of it were not aligned with the country's ⁠interests.

A number of African nations have signed memorandums of understanding which represent the Trump administration's new approach to foreign aid. Ghana and Zimbabwe have rejected them over data sharing demands.

The statement ⁠from Haimbe was issued in response to criticism from outgoing U.S. ambassador Michael Gonzales, who accused Zambia of failing to engage on the health funding offer, something which Haimbe denied?
Work began on a $2.3 billion copper mine in Zambia backed by tech billionaires, including Bill Gates and Sam Altman.
Zambian Foreign Minister Mulambo Haimbe, in a statement on Monday, also accused President Donald Trump’s administration of seeking to win the preferential minerals deal by linking it to a U.S. offer of US$2-billion in health funding.
“The Zambian government rightfully takes the view, first and foremost, that Zambians must have a say on how her critical minerals are used, and second, that no one strategic partner is to be treated preferentially to others,” Mr. Haimbe said.

The agreements were stalled because of U.S. insistence that the health money would be conditional on a minerals deal, he said. It was the first time Zambia has disclosed details of the dispute.

Canadian companies First Quantum Minerals Ltd. FM-T and Barrick Mining Corp. ABX-T are among the biggest investors in Zambia’s mining sector, together producing more than half of Zambia’s copper annually. Chinese and Middle Eastern companies are also major players in the Zambian mining sector.

But U.S. investors are scrambling to catch up. Last week, U.S. company KoBold Metals broke ground on the Mingomba copper mine, a planned US$3-billion project that would become Zambia’s biggest copper mine. The company is backed by U.S. billionaires Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates.
The United States insisted on a 10-year, one-way data-sharing agreement regarding Zambian citizens' health information and biological samples in exchange for a combined health aid and critical minerals package. The proposal, which Zambia has resisted over data privacy concerns, was tied to a $2 billion, 5-year health aid deal meant to replace expiring funding for over 1.3 million Zambians receiving HIV treatment…which is also being linked to Zambia’s copper and other critical minerals.
(YouTube & Is the US forcing Zambia to trade minerals for lives?)
(YouTube & U.S Considers Withholding HIV Funds To Access Zambia’s Minerals)
A missed April 30, 2026 deadline to accept the deal has left funding uncertain.
 

Ron in Regina

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Has anyone explained that Zambia isn’t in the Western Hemisphere to Trump yet? Maybe show him this map? America in green and Zambia in orange just for irony?
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Economic coercion and cruelty all at once. It's a Trump twofer!
Understanding the global copper supply crunch is essential context for evaluating why the Zambia US health aid minerals deal has attracted such intense geopolitical attention from Washington.

Copper is not simply a commodity in this context. It is a foundational input for the energy transition. Every electric vehicle requires roughly two to four times more copper than a conventional internal combustion engine vehicle. Offshore wind installations, solar farms, and grid-scale battery storage systems all carry similarly elevated copper intensity compared to legacy energy infrastructure.

The International Energy Agency has consistently identified copper supply adequacy as one of the most pressing constraints on clean energy deployment timelines.
Ahh, lovely Zambia!

Birthplace of the zamboni.
Fully electric Zamboni ice resurfacers, such as the Model 552AC and Model 650, provide zero-emission, quiet operation for indoor rinks, powered by advanced lithium-ion or lead-acid batteries. These machines offer high-torque, low-maintenance performance with reduced operating costs, featuring four-wheel drive and efficient ice-cutting technology designed for rinks up to 200 ft. x 100 ft..
I can mentally hear the commentary of the wildlife documentary about the beautiful birth of the Zamboni out on the Serengeti, narrated by somebody with a monotone British accent in hushed tones.
The proposed health compact between Zambia and the United States was structured as a bilateral agreement estimated at approximately $2 billion, designed to fund HIV/AIDS treatment, malaria programmes, and maternal health services over a multi-year period.

Approximately 1.3 million Zambians currently receive antiretroviral therapy under US-supported health programmes, making the continuity of this compact a matter of direct, measurable consequence for a substantial portion of the population. The April 30, 2026 deadline passed without a signed agreement, creating an operational grey zone for programmes that now lack formal structural funding guarantees.
https://www.ft.com/content/fb275aae-355f-481f-ab30-999d861b7d42?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Donald Trump doesn’t like renewable energy. He has cut tax credits and regulations that favour green investments, claimed offshore wind farms make whales go “a little bit loco” and pulled the US out of the Paris climate agreement (again). And yet, since his return to the White House in January 2025, the president’s actions have inadvertently raised the long-term appeal of green energy around the world. Ahhh…the eight dimensional chess thing…
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These are Chinese exports but 🤫.
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