The Denial Machine (global warming?)
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Yes we should be self sufficient. How about developing new technology rather then relying on oil and coal? Europe is way ahead of North America in wind mill power and solar power.
Oil sands development has a direct impact on local and planetary ecosystems In Alberta, the strip mining form of oil extraction destroys the boreal forest, the bogs the rivers as well as the natural landscape. The mining industry believes that the boreal forest will eventually colonize the reclaimed lands, yet 30 years after the opening of the first open pit mine near Fort McMurray, Alberta, no land is considered by the Alberta Government as having been reclaimed.
Oil sands development has a direct impact on local and planetary ecosystems In Alberta, the strip mining form of oil extraction destroys the boreal forest, the bogs the rivers as well as the natural landscape. The mining industry believes that the boreal forest will eventually colonize the reclaimed lands, yet 30 years after the opening of the first open pit mine near Fort McMurray, Alberta, no land is considered by the Alberta Government as having been reclaimed.
I know!
They would have Saddam, Iran and N. Korea build nukes and allow China and Cuba to grow larger than we are on cheap Venezuelan oil while we toil in some stupid Kyoto accord thing....but their not on our enemies side, that's for sure!
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Syncrude reclaimed land? They'll tell you anything. They are a business. They want to stay in business.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6541277
Read this.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6541277
Read this.
Wind power - come on... that's alot of windmills.
"The existing technology (Clark process) used in processing synthetic crude oil from bitumen-impregnated Alberta oil sands makes successful and productive land reclamation very difficult.^ This study outlines the critical nature of the separation problem and relates it to the problem of land reclamation."
True - "difficult", as with most things worthwhile.
I don't understand your "they'll tell you anything". There's a picture of reclaimed land. I walked on it. It's nice. The mining process of reclamation is a decades-long process. 30 years isn't that long.
I'm sorry the link you provided didn't lead to an article. Could you post a link to it, or an attachment of the study? I'm all ears.
Now the uranium resource in Saskatchewan - there's something to talk about.
Gonzo - for debate's sake - what industry do you work in?
I'm enjoying our chat - don't get me wrong.
"The existing technology (Clark process) used in processing synthetic crude oil from bitumen-impregnated Alberta oil sands makes successful and productive land reclamation very difficult.^ This study outlines the critical nature of the separation problem and relates it to the problem of land reclamation."
True - "difficult", as with most things worthwhile.
I don't understand your "they'll tell you anything". There's a picture of reclaimed land. I walked on it. It's nice. The mining process of reclamation is a decades-long process. 30 years isn't that long.
I'm sorry the link you provided didn't lead to an article. Could you post a link to it, or an attachment of the study? I'm all ears.
Now the uranium resource in Saskatchewan - there's something to talk about.
Gonzo - for debate's sake - what industry do you work in?
I'm enjoying our chat - don't get me wrong.
I work in animation, so I am by no means an expert in global warming.
What I mean by "they'll tell you anything" is that I dont really believe an oil company when they say they've re-claimed the land. In reality, no land has been re-claimed. A picture isn't enough proof for me. I would like to believe that the land has been re-claimed, but I dont believe it has.
This may be a better link.
http://www.pembina.org/pdf/publications/1000-cuts-fact-sheet.pdf
It's a fact sheet from a book about the Alberta tar sands.
What I mean by "they'll tell you anything" is that I dont really believe an oil company when they say they've re-claimed the land. In reality, no land has been re-claimed. A picture isn't enough proof for me. I would like to believe that the land has been re-claimed, but I dont believe it has.
This may be a better link.
http://www.pembina.org/pdf/publications/1000-cuts-fact-sheet.pdf
It's a fact sheet from a book about the Alberta tar sands.
Beats Saudi Arabia...
True enough, the Pembina institute does have something to say. I hope they continue to participate in the process. They'll have to stay moderate however, otherwise, it doesn't get listened to...
I'd still prefer to See North America rely on Saudi Alberta as opposed to the alternative. Much work to go, to do it right though - I agree.
Cheers.
True enough, the Pembina institute does have something to say. I hope they continue to participate in the process. They'll have to stay moderate however, otherwise, it doesn't get listened to...
I'd still prefer to See North America rely on Saudi Alberta as opposed to the alternative. Much work to go, to do it right though - I agree.
Cheers.
Anyone who thinks we can meet our energy demands by completely swearing off hydrocarbons is living in a fantasy. The only way we could make a switch like that is if we had large numbers of nuclear reactors being built, and I completely agree with those who say our economy couldn't handle that. Anyone who has heard my rants know that I want to switch from hydrocarbons, but slowly. Renewables alone don't have the juice we need to meet our demands. Plus we would need such large scale area consumption, what do we build it on? Do we cover up agricultural land, build over wetlands, cut forrests? The answer of course is no.
Hey some new and promising info. Methane levels have leveled out, and have shown no significant increases in the past 7 years. Evidence that some greenhouse gases are easier to control than others. The report from Scientists at UC Irvine attribute the flat levels to leak-preventing repairs made to oil and gas lines and storage facilities, also slower growth or decrease in methane emissions from coal mining, rice paddies and natural gas production. Also good to note that this slowdown in methane production arrives as the sun is reaching a peak in it's 22 year cycle.
Also, I've found a graph which may be of interest to some here, dealing specifically with inertia . My interpretation of the graph is that drastic measures will not significantly change the future outcomes, but likewise doing nothing will have grave future consequences.file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/Graphs/effectsmx6.png
Also, I've found a graph which may be of interest to some here, dealing specifically with inertia . My interpretation of the graph is that drastic measures will not significantly change the future outcomes, but likewise doing nothing will have grave future consequences.file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/Graphs/effectsmx6.png