The Criticism Begins

[davesmom]

Immediately after the election the media was all for praise of Trudeau and the Liberals. Things seem to be starting to change.
The last two Question Period shows have had some serious criticism creeping in. Even Craig Oliver, who was an enthusiastic Trudeau fan is voicing concerns.
The criticism is heaviest on the lack of participation in the coalition against ISIS.
The consensus now is that the environmental plan will fall flat, that the deficit will not be sustainable given the unlikelihood of the economy to improve in the foreseeable future and the inadvisability and unfairness of election reform without a referendum.
It seems pretty early in their mandate for the Liberals to be taking criticism already.

 

[damngrumpy]

Its called the honeymoon period and its over yes there is criticism should be.
In the face of that most people are still cutting him some slack. He has a mess
to cleanup. The economy was not as stated. The civil service was short staffed
and still is and services to seniors and others was not up to par and hadn't been
for some time.
I didn't vote for the guy but I am much more pleased than I was with the little
control freak running the show. Is Trudeau going to be perfect? No will he tick me
off at some point? Yes. Will I look back at the Tory reign with fondness not bloody
iikely. I am satisfied for the moment that we have a different path that is better than
what we had. As for the fight with ISIS I think we should continue the flights

 

[davesmom]

As for the fight with ISIS I think we should continue the flights

I'm glad you brought that up.
The situation in the Mid-east is worsening now between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Like they don't have enough hostilities going on over there!

It's bad enough that they are fighting for their 'oil power', but the Sunni/Shia conflict is just as bad, maybe worst. The oil war could be controlled somewhat by supply and demand but the religious war is neverending.
After watching Power & Politics tonight and all the analyzing of the Saudi/Iran conflict, it occurred to me that what is needed is an untimatum.
Diplomacy doesn't work in situations like this. Neither does 'condemning the actions' or 'sanctions'.

Donald Trump's plan to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the U.S. may not be such a bad idea but I think the reason for it should be laid out clearly.
The Muslim countries could (and probably should) be told in no uncertain terms that if the Catholics and Protestants who battled for centuries could put their religious differences (Ref: The War of The Roses) and learn to live and let live, the Muslims must do the same if they want to be welcomed to other parts of the world.

Each religious sect of Islam battling for dominance is redundant and an end to it would go a long way to establishing some semblance of peace in the Mid-eastern region. It's not reasonable to believe that moving to another country will put an end to the hostility between the different religious factions.

 

[Cannuck]

Donald Trump's plan to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the U.S. may not be such a bad idea...

You're quickly becoming my favorite silly poster.

 

[davesmom]

You're quickly becoming my favorite silly poster.

Yes it might look silly to you. But those battling factions are just like kids bickering over something that isn't important to anyone but them (only a lot more serious). Grounding them until they get over their stupid differences puts an end to it.

 

[Cannuck]

Yes it might look silly to you. But those battling factions are just like kids bickering over something that isn't important to anyone but them (only a lot more serious). Grounding them until they get over their stupid differences puts an end to it.

Stop it!!! You're killin' me!!!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Its called the honeymoon period and its over yes there is criticism should be.
In the face of that most people are still cutting him some slack. He has a mess
to cleanup. The economy was not as stated. The civil service was short staffed
and still is and services to seniors and others was not up to par and hadn't been
for some time.

Ah the old "mess to clean up" bit. I wonder how long we will hear about that as they doddle along? I'm having memories of McGuinty and Wynne. Blame Harris/Harper while we spend spend spend. The last thing we need is more civil servants, what we need is to focus on the economy. Without people working, it's going to be hard to fund the Prime Minister Airhead's spending spree.

 

[darkbeaver]

The industrial age provided the means to rapidly address economic stagnation by ramping up the new industrial strength armaments procurments whereas in the days before it took years to pound out enough swords and spears to mount an expedition now it was possible in just months to get an economy saving war underway well before civil unrest toppled domestic governments. Put them to work murdering the Huns or Muslims in the current era.

 

[pgs]

Its called the honeymoon period and its over yes there is criticism should be.
In the face of that most people are still cutting him some slack. He has a mess
to cleanup. The economy was not as stated. The civil service was short staffed
and still is and services to seniors and others was not up to par and hadn't been
for some time.
I didn't vote for the guy but I am much more pleased than I was with the little
control freak running the show. Is Trudeau going to be perfect? No will he tick me
off at some point? Yes. Will I look back at the Tory reign with fondness not bloody
iikely. I am satisfied for the moment that we have a different path that is better than
what we had. As for the fight with ISIS I think we should continue the flights

Are you actually saying the government of Canada is short staffed ?

 

[davesmom]

It has come to light that the majority of refugees already arrived are privately sponsored and that they had already been approved for acceptance before the Liberal's '25,00' plan was unveiled.
I'm wondering how long it will be before the media gets warned to tone down the criticism?

 

[damngrumpy]

First of all we yes WE created the problem in the Middle East and the oil war.
We the west went into Iraq and took out the only stable leadership in the
Middle East. no it was not a democracy but what the hell gives us the right
to go somewhere and impose our western style government on them?
In addition oil prices are unstable because we created instability in the region.
We also created the problems in Iran years ago when the Sha of Iran was
propped up by the USA and it finally collapsed leaving another vacuum.
We do not have a right to Middle Eastern Oil we have an opportunity to buy it.
We cannot and should not be allowed to set the price of Middle Eastern oil
we can do what we want with ours
The fathers of the Islamic State really are Dick Chaney, George W Bush and
Donald Rumsfeld they set out on a policy to reshape the Middle East and they did.
How do you like it so far? Trudeau did not start or participate in the actions that
created this situation. Having said that we were committed by the former
government and I do not think we should leave the field of battle when we did
commit to being there. History doesn't like that remember some years ago when
Belgium left the field and it was a huge error never to be lived down. Its just that
we should know how we got in this mess in the first place by not minding our own
business

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure the family of folks who died on 9/11, if they in fact did die and it wasn't some elaborate David Copperfield slight of hand sanctioned by the Bush Administration, will be happy to know that it was their fault. At least now they will find closure.

 

[Sz Tom]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure the family of folks who died on 9/11, if they in fact did die and it wasn't some elaborate David Copperfield slight of hand sanctioned by the Bush Administration, will be happy to know that it was their fault. At least now they will find closure.

I was standing on a street corner downtown when an empty cab pulled up and Justin trudeau got out.

 

[Corduroy]

Immediately after the election the media was all for praise of Trudeau and the Liberals.

Not the media I read.

 

[davesmom]

and now the controversy about the sale of armored vehicles to Saudi Arabia! Should the contract be cancelled in view of the hostility between Saudi Arabia and Iran? Or not?
I guess we all know it comes down to the $15 billion Canada will receive. it won't matter whether it's the right thing to do or not.

Also the latest concern about burgeoning collective debt of Canada and the Provinces which, by latest reports costs us $60 billion each year in interest payments. Each Canadian man, woman and child owes about $35,000 in government debt. Now there's another looming deficit of $10 billion or more.
What's this all about?

 

[Locutus]

Norman Spector ‏@nspector4

Here’s more @gmbutts on Saudi Arabia, *before* becoming Principal Secretary in the Prime Minister's Office...

 

[davesmom]

Saudi Arabia plays both ends against the middle. They can't be trusted. They make like allies to the west and support terrorists at the same time. Religious nuts, all of them. When push comes to shove Saudi Arabia will ally itself with whoever is winning.

 

[EagleSmack]

Honeymoon is OVER!

Trudeau's approval rating PLUMMETS!

 

[Angstrom]

 

[Mowich]

It is going to be a long sorry four years under this pathetic government.