The construction of the upper atmosphere.

[darkbeaver]

I have much difficulty with the internet service; to the extent that it is very difficult now to access to my thread; later on it may become better.

As regards the "electrical universe" of darkbeaver; of course the electricity is everywhere in the universe; and it is the negative and positive charges, electrons and protons that is in the atoms which means all the matter and the energy that transforms from one form to another.

Abu abd-Allah (the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) explained it in a better way: the heat is the indicative mark that an object is alive or dead.
The hot object moves and rotates around itself and attracts the cold objects or the objects less than it in heat.

There is no cold there is only heat in lesser and greater ammounts, two or more objects in space will try to equalize across the distance no matter what the distance. imo

 

[YukonJack]

I won several hundreds of dollars on the slot-machines in the Stratosphere.

Las Vegas, that is!

 

[darkbeaver]

The earth was never a flaming sun to be a flaming sun a thermunuclear reaction should take place where hydrogen atoms fused to form heavier elements like Helium therefore the earth NEVER went under nuclear fusion to be a flaming sun

God does not allow that, he has empowered his angel Repulsion to prevent the perversion of her creation in that manner. That's a fizzikkle fact ShintoMale.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

The construction of the gaseous layers (of the upper atmosphere)

The upper atmosphere which is above the troposphere.
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• The troposphere is the air: mixture of many gases: the nitrogen, the oxygen, the argon, water vapor, CO2 and other trace gases of the air or the troposphere.​

In this troposphere, there is the wind which mixes the gases of this lower part of the atmosphere. The storms and hurricanes belong to this troposphere, as is also the cloud which is drifted by the wind.

In this layer of the troposphere or the air, the temperature will decrease as long as we go up. This layer extends above the highest Everest mountain; the tops of the mountains are covered with ice because it is very cold there.

So, as long as we go up in this layer, the density of the air will decrease as will temperature decrease also.
The highest kind of the cloud (the cirrus cloud) generally is within this layer of the troposphere.
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• The stratosphere: lies above the troposphere. Here the things are reciprocal; it is contrary to the troposphere or the air.​

As long as we go up in this layer, the temperature will start to increase (but it will not rise above 0° C.]

There is no wind in this layer; therefore its constituents started to separate from each other, to form distinct layers. This is the layer preferred by pilots to fly with their jet airplanes there.

The construction of the layers of the sky (or the upper atmosphere):

1- The sky is constructed in layers one above another, and compacted in reciprocal manner, exactly like the building.

When we observe the builder or the mason, we shall see him put the bricks in order and systematically. He puts a brick and another one parallel to it, then he put another brick perpendicular to the first two, then another brick parallel to it.

Then he repeats this manner until he finishes the first raw, then he put the bricks of the second layer opposite to the bricks of the first raw. He binds all that with the cement.​

This is in the Quran 79: 27-33

أ أنتم أشدُّ خَلقاً أم السماءُ بناها ؟ رَفَعَ سَمكَها فَسوّاها .​

The explanation:
(Are you [ associaters, that deny the sending to the Hereafter] the harder to [re-]create, or is the sky that He did construct?
He raised its high [layers and lowered its low layers according to their different densities], and arranged it [in seven layers.])

Moreover, God said –be exalted –in the Quran 40: 64​

اللهُ الّذي جَعَلَ لكمُ الأرضَ قَراراً و السّماءَ بِناءً ​

The explanation:
(It is God Who has made for you the earth for a dwelling- place, and the sky (or heaven) for a structure [of gaseous layers one above another.] )
The “heaven” or “sky”, here, means the firmament or the gaseous heavens.​

2- The firmament or the gaseous heavens are erected up without any visible pillars (but indicates there are such invisible pillars, about which they will know in the future.​

This is in the Quran 31: 10​

خَلَقَ السّماواتِ بِغيرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَونَها، و ألقى في الأرضِ رواسيَ أنْ تَميدَ بِكم ...​

The explanation:
(He created the [gaseous] heavens without pillars you can see, and He cast on the earth firm [mountains], lest it sway irregularly with you …)​

3- The cloud belongs to the air or the troposphere; it is the boundary above which is the gaseous layers of the upper atmosphere.​

God –be exalted –says in the Quran, 2: 164

و تصريفِ الرّياحِ و السّحابِ المُسخَّرِ بينَ السّماءِ و الأرضِ لآياتٍ لِقومٍ يَعقِلون​

The explanation:
(And in the changing of winds, and in clouds that are subjected [into His service] between the sky [or heaven] and the earth, are signs to people who have sense.)

Here, God –be exalted – explained that the cloud is between the sky and the earth. So, the position of the sky is from the cloud up, while the position of the air is from the cloud down. Therefore, the wind [and the cloud] belongs or is related to the earth, not to the sky. ​

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Jul 04, 2006
“Fizzy Bubbles” or Plasma Layers?
Evidence continues to mount that the space surrounding Earth is rife with electrical activity. Where mainstream astronomers see “superhot gases” that “pop” and “fizz,” proponents of the Electric Universe see plasma double layers doing what they are observed to do in plasma experiments.




DB EA this is what science says is seen to separate heaven and earth your post reminded me of it.

“Fizzy Bubbles” or Plasma Layers?​

 

[darkbeaver]

We were created. That's what the math favours, and probability and logics and reason, only a religious nut would think we weren't, especially since we're busily persueing the same creating tech as god, just like she ordered. Sinister will be livid, maybe even purple. The here, after the hereafter, once removed or the one before that, it can't go on forever eh, the 3d space billiards and the fire and brimstone (big thunderbolts) are going to close the project down permanently someday. I accept god now, can't tell you much about herim though.

 

[L Gilbert]

Ah no , plants are as warm as the soil they are in and plants are creating heat themselves, right.

Well, yes, it's true that some plants create heat, such as skunk cabbage et al, others, however, can be as cold as the air around them even in the middle of winter at -40º. The way they survive is by limiting their water content as ice usually kills cells by rupturing them or else by limiting the water content to areas that won't cause harm.
Or are you trying to tell me that 60 meter tall Joe Spruce is as warm at his top as he is at his roots?
Either way, my point was that dipstick seems to think everything living is warm. He's wrong, as usual.
There are also some fish and amphibs that survive at below freezing temps:

Cryobiology: The Study of Life and Death at Low Temperatures

 

[darkbeaver]

Well, yes, it's true that some plants create heat, such as skunk cabbage et al, others, however, can be as cold as the air around them even in the middle of winter at -40º. The way they survive is by limiting their water content as ice usually kills cells by rupturing them or else by limiting the water content to areas that won't cause harm.
Or are you trying to tell me that 60 meter tall Joe Spruce is as warm at his top as he is at his roots?
Either way, my point was that dipstick seems to think everything living is warm. He's wrong, as usual.
There are also some fish and amphibs that survive at below freezing temps:

Cryobiology: The Study of Life and Death at Low Temperatures

There are lots of insects that survive sub zero temperatures, we have a tiny fly here in NS that walks on the snow in february on sunny days, always heading north for some reason.
Low temperature as you know is not the absence of heat. Cryobiology is neat what, life can survive space travel I bet. If it,s got a functioning metabolism I bet it's generating heat. You can be relatively warm and frozen stiff at the same time can't you?

 

[L Gilbert]

Some plants go into a dormant stage where metabolic activity basically ceases. But I am not going to nitpick for a multitude of posts with you because it's off the point.
The point is that eannasir's quran (or at least his interpretation of it) is out-to-lunch as far as scientific accuracy is concerned. Not all life is warm.

 

[eanassir]

ShintoMale,
If I had told you this story (that you told in the reply #21, would you have believed me? Certainly not.
Anyhow, one cannot speak about such billions and millions of years with such a certainty unless this be a revelation from God – be glorified.​

[qoute ShintoMale] "The age of the Earth has been determined to be about 4.5 billion years (4,540,000,000 years),[1] corresponding approximately to one third of the age of the universe,[end of quote]

This IMO is about impossible: to decide this with any precision, particularly the age of the universe as a whole.

In the following, I shall give our idea about the formation of the solar system, derived from the Glorious Quran and its interpretation,
to let others compare and see which is more reasonable:

I preserved the words of ShintoMale in italic.

[qoute ShintoMale] "The formation of the Earth and the simultaneous formation of the Sun and other bodies of the solar system resulted from the contraction of a solar nebula.
The nebula developed into a protoplanetary disk with the Sun forming in its centre and the planets forming by accretion of material in orbit around it.
Heat generated by impacts, and contraction meant that it was totally molten, and a differentation took place, forming an inner core of the heaviest elements and a mantle and proto-crust of the lighter elements. [end of quote]​

The interpreter's explanation:
There are many stars in the universe.

The star originally is a nebula ans the nebula in origin is a union of a positive and a negative currents. The nebula will then start to spin in a great speed → to become a star.

The star develops into a sun after being impregnated by the celestial rocks that it pulls by its gravity, until its volume increases and it becomes a sun.
+ve current & -ve current → spiral nebula → star → sun .
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_2.htm#The_Reason_for_the_Rotation_of_the_Earth_Around_Itself_
[See in the link above the answer of Question 2 concerning this subject.]

The sun has a certain life span : birth then death.

When the sun gets colder by time, a crust will form on its surface, which is thin at the start; this crust will prevent the hot gases from getting out and the hot gases will be imprisoned inside it to build a great pressure that will explode that sun whose life has ended.

When the sun explodes, its parts will scatter in the space.
And because there are a large number of stars and suns in the space, the parts of the broken-up sun will be captured by the gravity of the nearest sun to them, to circulate around it. And in this way, a solar system has been formed.​

Formation of Moon:
[qoute ShintoMale] Around this time the Moon was formed, possibly by a giant impact between the Earth and a smaller planet.[end of quote]​

The explanation of the interpreter:
Because those parts of the broken up sun, were irregular at the start, and these portions (becoming the planets) started to spin around themselves, very quickly at the start because they are still very hot; then the edges and protrusions started to detach to form the moons of those planets.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_2.htm#Moons_and_Their_Formation._ ​

[qoute ShintoMale] The Earth was steadily cooling and acquired a solid crust that gave rise to the first continents.[end of quote]

No objection.

The water:
[qoute ShintoMale] A major bombardment from icy meteorites and comets supplied the Earth with an enormous amount of water that created the oceans, while volcanic activity and water vapor created an atmosphere, devoid of oxygen.[end of quote]​

The explanation of the interpreter:
Water was formed from the earth itself: gases emerged from the earth that filled its atmosphere.
Among these gases were the oxygen and hydrogen, then by an electric current the water formed from combining the oxygen and hydrogen by the effect of the electric current.
Then the water cycle continued to form the seas and oceans …etc.
[See the Question 1 and its answer in the following link:
http://universeandquran.t35.com/#Formation_of_the_Earth ]

[qoute ShintoMale] The continents floated on the molten mantle of the planet and through plate tectonics assembled into supercontinents that later broke up again in a process that has been repeated several times during the passing of the billions of years.[end of quote]

No objection.​

creation of life
[qoute ShintoMale] Chemical reactions created organic molecules which interacted to create still more elaborate and complicated structures, and finally gave rise to a molecule that was able to create copies of itself.
This abilitiy initiated the evolution and led to the creation of life.
At first life started in the form of one-celled organisms but later multicellularity developed, and a major evolution was the process of photosynthesis which supplied oxygen to the atmosphere and led to the creation of an ozone layer.
The life forms branched into many species and became still more advanced, colonizing the land and gradually filling all the habitats of the Earth.[end of quote]

The interpreter's view:
The earth was sterile at the start, because of its extreme heat.

Life is transmissible; it came to Earth from the broken up planets of the previous solar system; the portions of the past planets fell on Earth and the rest of the planets to form the mountains; and life came embedded in those portions and meteorites, therefore life started from the mountains then spread all over the Earth.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_2.htm#Life_Is_Transmissible​

[qoute ShintoMale] Ice ages, volcanic eruptions, and major impacts of meteorites have caused several mass extinctions of life forms, but the remaining species have developed in new directions and have created a lasting biosphere.[end of quote]​

Or it may be those dinosaurs lived in some other past planets, and the fossils and skeletons came embedded in the mountains, which were parts of the broken up past planets.​

[qoute ShintoMale] About six million years ago, a split of branches of what was then the evolutionary family tree ultimately led to the modern man.
The ability to walk upright, an increase in brain size, and improvement of communication skills were crucial factors. Man learned to control fire, developed agriculture and began systematic husbandry of animals and plants. This improved living conditions and societies and civilizations with religious and cultural characteristics formed. Through progress in science, writing, organization of governments, transportation and communication, man has become the dominant species on Earth and influences the environment and all other life forms.
The scope of human activity and an increasing population now require mankind to apply a global perspective on major concerns and problems like protection of the environment,
Exploitation of natural resources, protection of wildlife, and climate change.[end of quote] ​

The explanation according to the interpreter:
God created male and female of every species from the decayed organic substance of the dead animal and man corpses.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve

All this creation and formation occurred according to the decree and might of God Almighty and Creator with His unlimited ability.

As He said in the Quran 18: 51 ​

مَا أَشْهَدتُّهُمْ خَلْقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَلَا خَلْقَ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمَا كُنتُ مُتَّخِذَ الْمُضِلِّينَ عَضُدًا​

The explanation:
(I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor their own creation; ​

nor choose I misleaders for [My] helpers.)​

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[eanassir]

My true vision about the afterlife punishment for the atheists and associaters​

This may be the time to tell our members and guests about my vision (or true night dream) which I promised to tell about.​

Some atheists here in this forum do blaspheme, and insist on their atheism; I advised them to leave this atheism or else they will lose in the next afterlife; but they ridiculed and kept up with their blasphemy and atheism and denial of God Who created them in the womb and bestowed on them all his blessings: the two eyes, the toungue, the two lips and guided them to recognize the two paths of guidance and misguidance.​

But many of them haven't believed neither have they done some righteous acts in order to assault the "impediment" [which is the suffocating gaseous layers] in order to go to Paradise. As in one aya of the Quran 90: 11​

Then I asked God – be glorified – to show me what punishment will be for the disbelievers and atheists in the afterlife.​

Then in a following night I saw:​

I was taken to some rectangular hole in the ground, like that of the elevator in some many-story buildings, or like the pit of some mines, but that was perpendicular to the ground and went deep in the earth.​

Then I was told: "go down, go down, go down"; and we went down with extreme speed; Who was with me, and who took me in such a trip? I don't remember and I don't know. We went with extreme speed [by an elevator or a car or some means: I don't know; but only I went like in an elevator very quickly moving like the car; and it was a considerable distance and a considerable time that lasted.]​

Until at last, I reached to some place like a subterranean space or cavitarium; there I saw many levels or many planes like the stages of the theatre, but it was not a theatre, but like a mine with multiple plates or stages equal to the roof of some medium-sized cabinet.​

On one of these stages or planes, at some considerable distance from me, there was a crowd of about 30-50 men: naked, crowding on each other, standing on that stage, trying to go to the centre of that level or stage and so they were crowding at each other, they were pink-red in color (roasted by the heat); they stood on the tips of their feet and stretching their arms upwards as if trying as much to get up of that stage.​

Although, they were somewhat far from me, and I couldn't distinguish their faces to recognize and distinguish this one from that one; but their condition was terrifying and miserable; as they shouted [in the Iraqi common language]: "Take us oouut… Get us out" [and lengthening the ouuut. As they cried uselessly.]"

{Although I was somewhat far from them, but I heard them clearly shouting like that. Also I saw them, but could not distinguish their faces to recognize this from that; they were busy with their torment and they did not see me; neither I felt any hotness on my part.}​

Then I awoke terrified and affected from this vision, which was a true vision.​

I say this is certainly the punishment in the Hell of the core of the earth in the afterlife for the atheists and associaters [: their souls];​

This is the fate and the outcome of the devils: the chiefs of the party of the atheism and the association with God through the enthusiasm about their imams, Jesus and their leaders;
those who [according to their foolishness and ignorance and misfortune] took the way of antagonizing and opposing God Almighty.​

Because these impostors try hardly to misguide people to their atheism and association with God – be glorified. ​

While God Most Gracious revealed every good in His Commandments to worship God alone and to avoid the stealing and the adultery, and to follow all the apostles of God including Mohammed, and to believe in all the books of God including the Glorious Quran.​

And this vision in fact was a warning.​

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[L Gilbert]

That's funny.
A few years back in another forum (I can't remember which one) I stated that I will believe in ANY god who can show me it can revert everything back to the state it was before it created anything (presumably the state of nothingness), except me, so as to show me its power. I mentioned one stipulation; that I remember this event so I can spread the word of the power of whichever god could show me it had such power. I haven't seen hide nor hair of any god yet nor have I seen any such powerful event.

 

[eanassir]

Hey Darkbeaver good day to you’ It is fact that miracles are a form of an elusion that fouls the human eye.

No one with physical mass can escape gravity when it was said that Jesus walked the surface of water. Mosses did not have hidden super powers to part the water to send the Israelis to freedom that is all bed time stories,that is all a mith. The fact that there is a super invisible power or force I will always respect that view, anything else is mythology. Science proves that no one can escape gravity. You or eanassir have never met with the supreme force, and you should stop talking as if you had diner with God.

The miracle is an extraordinary act to prove true the apostle-hood of some particular apostle.

Most of the peoples, to whom some miracles were wrought or done, said this is only "an elusion that fouled their eyes" – according to your expression.

This proves it is only a matter of guidance, and the one to whom the miracle is done will deny it whatever he sees before his own eyes, and they will keep up saying: it is only an elusion of our own eyes.
Therefore, God – be glorified – did not give to Mohammed any material miracle like the staff of Moses or the medical miracles of Jesus or the she-camel of Prophet Salih; but He gave the Quran: a scientific and eloquent language miracles that they were unable to bring about anything similar to the Glorious Quran.
This is in the Quran 17: 59​

وَمَا مَنَعَنَا أَن نُّرْسِلَ بِالآيَاتِ إِلاَّ أَن كَذَّبَ بِهَا الأَوَّلُونَ وَآتَيْنَا ثَمُودَ النَّاقَةَ مُبْصِرَةً فَظَلَمُواْ بِهَا وَمَا نُرْسِلُ بِالآيَاتِ إِلاَّ تَخْوِيفًا​

The explanation:
(Nothing prevents Us from sending [the messengers] with miracles but that the ancients denied them,

[The interpretation: so We destroyed them following their denial of the miracle; and similarly, if We give you Mohammed any material miracle and your people deny it, then their destruction will be inevitable; but We do not want to destroy them: the disbelievers will fall by the sword and by some other means, while their sons will convert]

and We even gave [the tribe of] Thamood the she-camel: an obvious [miracle], but they wronged [themselves] by [killing] it.

And We do not send [messengers] with miracles, except to frighten [to the nation of that apostle].)
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About Jesus walking on the water: it is not mentioned in the Quran, but his curing the albino and the congenitally blind and reviving some of the dead are mentioned in the Quran as some of the miracles of Jesus Christ – salam be to him.
The parting of the sea for Moses is mentioned in the Quran, in addition to his nine miracles: the staff, and the white hand which emitted light …etc.
So how could the Children of Israel escape and cross to the other side, and were Pharaoh together with his host drowned in the sea?
And if there was any planet as do some claim (which I don't refuse, but I think it might not be correct); then would such planet come in the same moment required for the crossing of the Children of Israel totally to the land, and then was it exactly designed so that Pharaoh together with his host were drowned?​

 

[darkbeaver]

Mankind will always have endless miracles to study.

 

[eanassir]

The gaseous layers are firmly constructed.​

These gaseous layers [that are above the troposphere] are compacted, stable and undetachable from each other.
This is in the Quran 78: 12​

وَبَنَيْنَا فَوْقَكُمْ سَبْعًا شِدَادًا​

The explanation:
(And [have We not] constructed above you seven firm [layers of gaseous heavens]?)

And in another aya 79: 27-28​

أَأَنتُمْ أَشَدُّ خَلْقًا أَمِ السَّمَاء بَنَاهَا . رَفَعَ سَمْكَهَا فَسَوَّاهَا​

The explanation:
(Are you [: the associaters that deny the sending to the Hereafter] the harder to [re-]create, or is the sky that He did construct?

He raised its high [layers and lowered its low layers], and arranged it [in seven layers.])
​

 

[Scott Free]

Wow, with the Quran who needs text books? No wonder so many M.E. physicists win Noble prizes.

 

[eanassir]

Mankind will always have endless miracles to study.

To each apostle was his particular miracle given to him by God; the apostle cannot do any miracle of his own accord, but only the specific miracle given to him by God.

As in the Quran 13: 38

وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلاً مِّن قَبْلِكَ وَجَعَلْنَا لَهُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَمَا كَانَ لِرَسُولٍ أَن يَأْتِيَ بِآيَةٍ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتَابٌ​

The explanation:

(We did send [many] messengers before you [Mohammed], and appointed for them wives and offspring. ​

And it was never the part of any messenger to bring a miracle except as God permitted. ​

For every period was a book.)​

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(For every period was a book): means to every period of time [when an apostle came to his own people] there is some suitable miracle according to that particular time:
like the staff of Moses and the rest of his nine miracles - at his time the magic was prevalent, so he challenged them with such miracles.

At the time of Jesus: the medicine was advanced against many diseases, so he challenged them by curing the albino and the congenitally blind and reviving the dead.

At the time of Mohammed: the eloquence of language and the poetry of the Arab was their character; so he callenged them by the Glorious Quran, and they were unable to bring about something similar to it.

E.g. if Pharaoh said to Moses: "I don't accept your staff as a miracle, but I give you another one, and let it be a serpent", then that new staff would not become any serpent, but only that particular staff given to Moses by God.

In fact, it was not a staff; it was a true serpent with hard scales, so when Moses picked it, it hid its head (like the turtle) and it will be a stout staff, but when he cast it, it produce its head and appear as its true serpent.

This is in the Quran 20: 19-20​

وَمَا تِلْكَ بِيَمِينِكَ يَا مُوسَى ؟ قَالَ هِيَ عَصَايَ أَتَوَكَّأُ عَلَيْهَا وَأَهُشُّ بِهَا عَلَى غَنَمِي وَلِيَ فِيهَا مَآرِبُ أُخْرَى . قَالَ أَلْقِهَا يَا مُوسَى . فَأَلْقَاهَا فَإِذَا هِيَ حَيَّةٌ تَسْعَى . قَالَ خُذْهَا وَلَا تَخَفْ سَنُعِيدُهَا سِيرَتَهَا الْأُولَى​

The explanation:
("And what is that by your right hand, O Moses!"​

[Moses] said: "It is my staff; on which I lean; with it I drive along my sheep, and in it I find other uses."​

[So Moses at the start thought it was a staff, and he did not know it was in fact some scaly snake created by God particularly for Moses; Moses saw it in his way, and he picked it up, not knowing that it was in fact a serpent; but he observed some strange things in that staff, like it stood to guard his sheep when he slept.]​

[God] said: "Cast it down, O Moses!"​

So he cast it down, and it was a snake, moving about.
[At that time, he discovered it was not a staff, but a stout serpent with hard scales]​

[God] said: "Take it and fear not. We shall restore it to its first state."
[so when he picked it up, it hid its head and appeared as a hard staff.] )​

This is according to the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.

 

[eanassir]

Wow, with the Quran who needs text books? No wonder so many M.E. physicists win Noble prizes.

We embrace the Quran, and leave the Noble prizes for you. :smile:

As in the Quran 19: 75

قُلْ مَن كَانَ فِي الضَّلَالَةِ فَلْيَمْدُدْ لَهُ الرَّحْمَنُ مَدًّا حَتَّى إِذَا رَأَوْا مَا يُوعَدُونَ إِمَّا الْعَذَابَ وَإِمَّا السَّاعَةَ فَسَيَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ هُوَ شَرٌّ مَّكَانًا وَأَضْعَفُ جُندًا​

The explanation:
(Say [Mohammed to them]:
"Whosoever is in error [: misguidance and deviation from the truth], [God] Most Gracious may increase his wealth.
Until when they see that [doom] which they were threatened with, whether it be punishment [in the World], or the Hour [of death],
they will know then who is worst in position, and is weakest in forces [: the believers or the disbelievers].")​

 

[Scott Free]

We embrace the Quran, and leave the Noble prizes for you. :smile:

It used to be the M.E. lead the world in science before the Islam infection took complete control.

Just the same I'm glad, there is no telling what you'd all do if you could tie your shoelaces properly.

It is the very buffoonery of which you are so proud that has kept us all safe. Allah be praised.