The Conservatives in Ottawa should be exiled once again!!!

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If the election was won by money, then I am of the opinion that Canadians deserve the government they have.

Lone, Canadians were looking for a change in the last election, had Canadians known of this scam they would have brought the Libs with maybe a minority. They would have not touched these losers with a ten foot pol. But this looks good on Harper the cheater he will be wearing this for a long political life. Now I want to see David Emerson the traitor and opportunist who sold his constituents in Vancouver Center over night to join the Mulrony rat pack, it looks good on him. Vancouver Center will take a giant piss on him in the next soon coming up election. :angryfire:
 

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I'll try to be more clear with an example:

In 1995, when the Quebec seperatists lost the referendum. Parizeau (Quebec PM at the time) said his sadly famous comments about ''us'' (''real'' Québecois) losing because of money and ethnic votes. When the sponsership scandal unfolded many seperatists started saying Parizeau was right after all... that the YES side had won because the NO side had a financial advantage. Even if it's true that the NO side had an advantage (it is from what I understand), the seperatists blaming their loss on a financial disadvantage are being incredibly shallow, failing to see that they simply didn't manage to convince a strong majority of Quebecers that seperating from Canada was a good idea. In the end, I remain convinced that the 51-49 result of the referendum in favour of the NO was a clear indicator of how the Quebec population felt about seperating. I don't think anything having to do with money could have changed the outcome because the issue was so important (participation rate was 93,5%...that means a lot)

Back to the future, or now...

So what if the Cons had a financial advantage? Let them be punished for breaking the law. But can we really say the Cons won because of their financial advantage? I don't think so. The Liberals were way due their expiration date and Canadians gave them the boot. At least, that is how I understand it.

So let me repeat my original comment with a little more perspective, IF the Cons won the 2006 election because of a financial advantage, then to me it is a sign that democracy in Canada is in a state of deterioration and if that's the case, the population is at least as guilty as the politicians. We get the leaders we deserve.

Hey lone, keep one thing in mind on the assertion that the Liberals got the boot you are wrong. To end up with 103 seats in the house that is not getting the boot, what that was a warning that either clean up and come back as they are about to do, or we will go for change on the next federal election and give the Conservatives a chance with a majority.
Thank god for these indisputable facts before us because the Tories do not deserve a majority ever. The Mulrony rat pack back in 1993 GOT THE BOOT they ended up with only 2 humiliating seats in the house and were exiled for 13 years. So let’s tell it like it is not like a good sorry Tory. :roll:
 

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Canadians have no stomach for free-thought and that's partly because they don't think very well to begin with and because it's been "ride the American horse" for so long Canadians can't tell the difference between thinking for themselves and "THINK AMERICAN".

Thanks for your obsevation Mikey ;Iknow what you mean .
 

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Thanks for your obsevation Mikey ;Iknow what you mean .

Hey Mikey you look bad coming up with such nonsense, you are starting to bash Canadians when in fact this post is about Alibaba and the 90 thieves. During the past 13 years while the Liberals on the Helm with Jean Chrétien as prime minister couldn’t give a rats ass about Bush the war monger. So get your information strait and we are talking about the Gestapo Tories here. We are not talking on how stupid Canadians are. And if I may ask what are you a passer by using Canada to bomb the closest location? Stop that stupid propaganda man you and China.
 

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Socrates the Greek ,

The fact of the matter here in Canadian is that the Canadian people were looking for a sincere change
You don't look for a change ...wise man , You make them ..

PraxiusPogo: "I have seen the enemy...and he
is us." ------
.....its a pity that only so few see that .
 
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Socrates the Greek

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Socrates the Greek ,


You don't look for a change ...wise man , You make it ..


.....its a pity that only so few see that .

Hey China, I don’t need you to qualify me if I am wise man or not. Follow the bone of contention here. The Canadian people were not able to see behind the Gestapo closed doors, and they followed the magical words of ETHICS AND MORALITY two qualities scum bag Harper said he had. As thinks have shown Harper the scum bag lied, he doesn’t know how to embrace ETHICS AND MORALITY BECAUSE HIS INNER CORE IS CORRUPT, out side he portrays the good Christian but inside we have seen today who Harper really is.. So dumping on the Canadian voter is stupid and ill advised. :roll::roll::roll:
 

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Hey Socrates ,why do yu spill your beans here on the forum .A wise man does something about things he doesn't agree with.But then you don't want to be qualifed as a wise man ,pity.
 

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Hey China out with the insinuation of killing politicians in the quest to find a good one. We are in Canada not Rumania. Rumania is a third world country and don’t hold the light to democracy and civil liberties. The fact of the matter here in Canadian is that the Canadian people were looking for a sincere change. Don't nock Canadians. They were told by Harper the cheater that we are able to bring ethical and moral change in Canada and the people went for it. No Canadian deserves to have scum bags bragging before they can prove their true intentions.

In the early days of Canadian politics it wasn't unknown to have people soliciting votes outside polling stations with offers of cash. I really don't think our "system" or "morals" or anything else integral as Canadians is the reason we have had stability all these long years.

It seems more accurate to say we have been stable because we are a wealthy nation. We didn't make our wealth either but rather it is derived from the land we pilfered from the original inhabitants. True we have worked hard as individuals to exploit that land and that is attributable to the strong protestant work ethic it seems most "wealthy democracies" have so strongly (sorry Quebec).

I think too our "liberalism" comes from the simple fact that we can't have shanty towns in Canada; the land is just too inhospitable, and we would be condemning thousands of people to cold deaths. That isn't to say we as people aren't capable of that cruelty but rather it isn't a practical cruelty; that is we must take care of the working poor or, as a nation, face the perils of very high labour costs. Today we have homeless but rarely are they from the working class. Typically, in BC anyway, they are WCB victims and drug users; what most conservatives would term "white trash" and quickly unload any social responsibility for on to their own shoulders with the conservative maxim of blaming people for their own circumstance. I believe this is why we have homeless today, for which few seem concerned; they aren't missing from the labour pool because circumstance, for which we can feel confident they deserve using conservative justifications, and for whom we need not feel compassion - surely that homeless bum is there because he wants to be or deserves to be!

I personally have found no evidence that something innate has brought about our social fortune. I have examined 3rd world politics and seen all the same forces at work we have here in Canada. The only element missing is that the average Canadian is very wealthy and has an historically unprecedented standard of life (as most western democracies do); which I would argue, is the geneses of that stabilizing element we are all too ready to claim is some innate function of our natures. I just don't think it is true.

I would also argue that our unprecedented standard of life has come directly from the threat of violence by the workers. It started with the French Revolution which scared the elite into loosening their strangle hold on workers for fear that would spread to England. That little breathing room opened up the opportunity for labour movements to make even greater gains. That, IMO, is the real and only reason Canada is both free and stable.

Let Canada miss three meals and watch what happens. We riot over hockey because our bellies are full, we let political leaders rob us blind, pilfer our wages, tax our land, etc.. only because our bellies are full.

No, we are no more nor anything less than ordinary. IMO.
 

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Of course Canadians deserve the kind of Gov.they have as long as they don't have enough guts to do what Romanians did to their "fearles leader".... Nicolae Ceausescu.Have you ever wonder why Canadians are ..................what I mean to say is that Canadians like to be told what to do.

I agree with you. We have become too fat IMO and have lost our stomaches for the violence that won us all (the commoner) our freedom. We forget that it had to be wrenched from the blood socked hands of the elite by force. Now we are rolling over and returning that power to them. We have been duped into believing that our way of life is because of corporations, central banks, corrupt leaders (lobbying), market manipulation, etc... We have forgotten that right here in Canada RCMP would shoot people who refused to work (Alberta, BC). We forget what corporations were like only a couple of centuries ago. The first known labour strike was because a shipping company refused to pay its workers their annual salary! We have forgotten about child labour (which has now returned to BC), we have forgotten about shanty towns built for workers and their families, about railway workers and the way they were continually murdered, etc, and etc...

Now we think that non of the efforts of our ancestors meant anything. If you ask the average 20 something they will tell you that corporations and government are the reason for labour laws!!!

I agree China, we do deserve what we have gotten: a bunch of rich cats preying on the ignorance of the mice they watch.
 

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Canada was a beautiful and sane country all the way till 1968 ,the year of the "French Invasion" ; and then it stoped being a nice, sane country . I know that as a fact , lived there 43 years ,no more .I have more life and peace (running my business) here in China .I,m sure majority will not belive what I am saying even if I would try to explain ,so I will not .
 
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1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.

Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white.

Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?
 

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Hey Socrates ,why do yu spill your beans here on the forum .A wise man does something about things he doesn't agree with.But then you don't want to be qualifed as a wise man ,pity.


China, I am not running for a political position here in Canada or on this forum, neither are you or any one else here on this forum. Here we as concerned voters are talking about the style of performance this present government is offering to the Canadian people. I for one have brought on the debate on how corrupt this present government is and I am simply suggesting that the Canadian voter should not give these idiots a chance to govern on a majority mandate. You in return the guy who came to Canada and used our resources here and then went back to your home land is talking about assassinations on politicians.
That is the deference between you and me. I did not use this country and I am not criticizing the best country on the planet from Human Rights, to a cleaner environmental life. Canada holds the light to the world on all the above. You my friend enjoy your business in China while your government is killing people with no guns the TIBETAN MONKS because suddenly the Chinese iron totalitarian system has discovered uranium under the land the Tibetan monks occupy. So you want to get into a real debate start your post and I will think about if your point of view is self serving or genuine. You simply don’t immigrate to a Country like Canada use it and then go back home and through rocks behind you, that is called OPPORTUNISTIC Hypocrisy :roll:
 
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Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white.

Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?

Hey Avro your ancestors were white and when they set foot in North America few hundred years ego they PISSED ON THE INDIANS DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
Of course not, you were not born then. Today you are against Liberation against Immigration and against people who allowed minorities to obtain an identity.
You of course feel that Canada was found by white people and it is too bad that few Indians’ survived the white take over. I am not sure how old you are but your demining statements on people who helped immigrants show how globally ill advised you are.
You must be very proud of your self. At Charismas YOU SHOULD ASK SANTA FOR A HITLER DOLL, I AM SURE EVERY TIME YOU THINK OF IMMIGRANTS YOU CAN PLAY WITH YOUR Hitler doll.

And by the way who is talking about American identety in this forum?:roll::roll::roll::roll:
 

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1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.

Man you must enjoy your little cave, you sound like a bigot and you hate your self when you think about liking people. Your idia of Canadian identity is about bigotry which makes you look that your brain is the size of pea.
 
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Canada was a beautiful and sane country all the way till 1968 ,the year of the "French Invasion" ; and then it stoped being a nice, sane country . I know that as a fact , lived there 43 years ,no more .I have more life and peace (running my business) here in China .I,m sure majority will not belive what I am saying even if I would try to explain ,so I will not .


You must love watching the Tibetan peace loving Monks get slaughtered by your nice Totalitarian Government. Make sure that in case things went wrong and your business started having problems come back to Canada and start suckalling. I you catch my drift. :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire: