The Conservatives in Ottawa should be exiled once again!!!

[L Gilbert]

Martin was the mobster and Harper is snow white who doctors the reciepts so he can nail you come tax time. :roll::roll::roll: Very weak alternativem, Harper is about ethics and moralety. Oh my God!:roll::roll::roll:

I echo your sarcasm. As I said, I am not a fan of Harper, and if you wouldn't support Martin's band of thieves, liars, and cheats; or layton's band of rationally inept knuckleheads, who would you support? It's really easy to sit back and spew vile at politicians, but not so easy to offer an alternative.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Don't sweat it Socrates, I think enough Canadians are waking up to what the conservatives really stand for that they'll be out of power soon. Despite what Harper seems to think he's not king of Canada, we still get to vote...Vancouver/Kingsway notwithstanding

My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.

I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...

From what we have seen this far from the Conservatives is a very contradictory picture of what they told us they are over what they really are. I did not vote for them but the lesson here for people that did is that, it is healthy to balance the vote with a strong opposition, this way the voters are on safe street. The Conservatives here in Canada at the federal level with a majority mandate would be so scary, it would be almost like Hitler returning to power. Anything else is a waist of time.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I echo your sarcasm. As I said, I am not a fan of Harper, and if you wouldn't support Martin's band of thieves, liars, and cheats; or layton's band of rationally inept knuckleheads, who would you support? It's really easy to sit back and spew vile at politicians, but not so easy to offer an alternative.

I am happy that we got a minority Conservative Government presently. The Libs on the 2006-5 election got sloppy at the end while the voters said look we count, not as bad as the Conservatives did back in 1991-2-3.
The Libs need to regroup and re govern with caution.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I merely used the U.S. as an example of what people consider as having an identity and in no way was my post against those who may be of a different color.

I'll wait for an apology but only big men give them so I doubt I'll get one.

Thanks for trying ya mental midget.

Run along now....:lol:

Avro my friend we are all in it together, if a Government affects many peoples life's in a negative way we the people should see that this cheats should be taught a lesson come election time.

 

[L Gilbert]

I am happy that we got a minority Conservative Government presently. The Libs on the 2006-5 election got sloppy at the end while the voters said look we count, not as bad as the Conservatives did back in 1991-2-3.
The Libs need to regroup and re govern with caution.

.... and quit taking Canadians for fools. Martin was so bombastic and presumptuous at first, listening to him made me laugh, but after a while almost made me gag. Could also quit burgeoning Canada's debt.I would dearly love to see a federal gov't shrink in size and leave provincial powers to the provinces and quit trying to nanny everyone.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

.... and quit taking Canadians for fools. Martin was so bombastic and presumptuous at first, listening to him made me laugh, but after a while almost made me gag. Could also quit burgeoning Canada's debt.I would dearly love to see a federal gov't shrink in size and leave provincial powers to the provinces and quit trying to nanny everyone.

I guss a true center left srinked model of Government could help Canada, provincial powers work as we all know quit well as long as the feds stay out of provincial affairs. .

 

[Avro]

Avro my friend we are all in it together, if a Government affects many peoples life's in a negative way we the people should see that this cheats should be taught a lesson come election time.

Not much of an apology.

Who knew you wouldn't be man enough.....me that's who.

Next time you want to blather on about something please be sure to know what it is you are talking about.

 

[MikeyDB]

Vote fer me!

I'm not particualarly photogenic and don't care...don't have corporate masters to appease and have a reasonable grasp of what's going on....

Seeeeee....

If the Canadan publica were given the choice of someone who they had the opportunity of knowing....or at least someone prepared to address concerns and capable of identifying with the average person...the wealthy wouldn't continually control the government of prosperous nations.

Kill all the lawyers and put all the politicians in the jails they've built.....as guards!

 

[Colpy]

Don't sweat it Socrates, I think enough Canadians are waking up to what the conservatives really stand for that they'll be out of power soon. Despite what Harper seems to think he's not king of Canada, we still get to vote...Vancouver/Kingsway notwithstanding

My guess is there will be some very interesting informantion coming out of all the correspondence taken from conservative party headquarters. After all the chips have fallen I doubt there will be many conservatives able to claim ANY moral high ground over the Liberals.

I'm predicting a Liberal minority government in the next election with greater input from the NDP and Green Party. It won't be perfect, but at least it won't be a government trying to hand the country over to the US AGAIN...

I actually was leaning towards abandoning the CPC.....until I read an editorial piece in the Globe and Mail by Robin Sears.....he staunchly defended the Conservatives against Elections Canada. Sears says Elections Canada used to consult with all parties when defining the rules, and that it was always pretty well left to the Party to decide how and where money could be spent...... Sears also claims Elections Canada decided the "in and out" scheme was not acceptable retroactively.........a complete departure from common practise.

Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy Colpy Colpy

The habit that Canadians have gotten used-to is putting the RCMP in charge of investigating the RCMP...putting the Treasury in charge of investigating the Treasury...and so on... WRONG!

We end up with the crap like the CRTC a bunch of cable company executives sculpting law to the advantage of corporate profit.... Or like Alan Eagleson of days gone by..putting lawyers in charge of the Legal Aid Fund that promptly went bankrupt....

Independent third party analysts and consultants should be hired on an as needed basis to review government internal policies and the policies of the federal police the communications morons etc. etc.

As long as we continue to believe that we're getting the straight goods from some sychopant pleasing his masters...see Stephen Harper....we'll never get honesty and integrity from government! Do you honestly think that the Adsacm Follies or the Air Inda Debacle or any of the enormously costly (to taxpayers kept in the dark) "investigations" and "committees" have achieved anything even remotely similar to transparency and integrity in the Canadian political milieu?

 

[elevennevele]

I actually was leaning towards abandoning the CPC.....until I read an editorial piece in the Globe and Mail by Robin Sears.....he staunchly defended the Conservatives against Elections Canada. Sears says Elections Canada used to consult with all parties when defining the rules, and that it was always pretty well left to the Party to decide how and where money could be spent...... Sears also claims Elections Canada decided the "in and out" scheme was not acceptable retroactively.........a complete departure from common practise.

Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........

Sure Coply. I doubt you'll ever abandon this party for any reason. Probably even if they stole directly out of your own pocket you'll find someone out there outside the circle of commonsense to back your version of trying to understand it. You 'need' to believe in them. And basically sold out you own sense of moral compass in doing so.

Is this IN/OUT scheme so hard to figure for what it was? Their own membership who was asked to participate even feel betrayed. They weren't allowed to spend to money on their own local campaign and were advised to immediately wire the monies back to the national campaign.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080425.win26/BNStory/National/home

In her own affidavit, Ms. Singleton said she was contacted by Brian Hudson, an official at Conservative headquarters, who explained that the party would be sending the campaign some money but it would have to be sent back immediately.

“Our campaign had just started and we had very little money and so I asked Mr. Hudson if I could use some of that money to advertise on local radio and in the local newspaper,” Ms. Singleton wrote.

“Mr. Hudson said no, that this money was for television advertising and that we would have to pay for radio and newspaper ads ourselves. I then asked Mr. Hudson if the TV ads would mention or in any way reference Mr. Goudie's campaign. He said the TV ads would be generic and there would be no reference to Mr. Goudie.”

And the Conservatives campaigned against the Liberals with the idea they would run a clean and ethical government. That they would 'clean up government'. They were making these statements while at the same time pulling dirty tricks.

This whole scheme is totally unethical and who knows how much this form of cheating over legal election limits contributed to winning the election. In a sense, they defrauded us of the legitimacy of our democracy. That is much worse than just having defrauded the taxpayer of paying for their sleazy tactics.

I'm sure you are totally ignoring the pattern of events as to the tactics Harper and his party. You know, where they seem to constantly berate and bully and undermine the institutions that give oversight on our political system. You know, the checks and balances that prevent a democracy from corruption and abuses of power. I mean you might as well stick a crown on Harper's head if you really want this for our country.

I've listened to the spokespersons for this party on this issue. My BS metre keeps going off. Why isn't yours?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Quoting Walter 1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.

Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white.

Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?

Hey Avro you owe an apology to none white people. I have been very civil here with some of the stupid idiotic NEO CON spin. Look above what Walter wrote and look under Walters moronic bla bla and your response is not defending ordinary people but rather you show to be a Conservative bigot. Ok? So don't be calling me names, you are the mental midget and you should do something real soon about getting a life which can be of benefit to you and others you associate with. Other wise you will go down in history as a bigot and a small minded loser. You are asking on your last sentence in this quote to tell you what is the American identity, who is talking about Americans and their identity in this thread?:roll::roll::roll::roll:

 

[Colpy]

Sure Coply. I doubt you'll ever abandon this party for any reason. Probably even if they stole directly out of your own pocket you'll find someone out there outside the circle of commonsense to back your version of trying to understand it. You 'need' to believe in them. And basically sold out you own sense of moral compass in doing so.

Is this IN/OUT scheme so hard to figure for what it was? Their own membership who was asked to participate even feel betrayed. They weren't allowed to spend to money on their own local campaign and were advised to immediately wire the monies back to the national campaign.







And the Conservatives campaigned against the Liberals with the idea they would run a clean and ethical government. That they would 'clean up government'. They were making these statements while at the same time pulling dirty tricks.

This whole scheme is totally unethical and who knows how much this form of cheating over legal election limits contributed to winning the election. In a sense, they defrauded us of the legitimacy of our democracy. That is much worse than just having defrauded the taxpayer of paying for their sleazy tactics.

I'm sure you are totally ignoring the pattern of events as to the tactics Harper and his party. You know, where they seem to constantly berate and bully and undermine the institutions that give oversight on our political system. You know, the checks and balances that prevent a democracy from corruption and abuses of power. I mean you might as well stick a crown on Harper's head if you really want this for our country.

I've listened to the spokespersons for this party on this issue. My BS metre keeps going off. Why isn't yours?

Why is Robin Sears, a "somebody" in the NDP defending the CPC?

Do you think making things "illegal" after the fact is legitimate?

Honestly, I have some serious problems with the CPC and how it has run things.........but I have only one choice......between the CPC and withdrawing completely from participation in the Canadian democratic process.....because the Liberals and the NDP are the absolute antitheses of everything I believe.....in foreign policy, in economic policy, in domestic policy.

I will not support any party that defends firearms registration, and calls for the thievery of my private property.

I will not support any party that has leaders too stupid to understand that the USA is our friend and closest ally........

I will not support any party that calls for withdrawal from Afghanistan before that nation is stabilized.

I will not support any party that would lend unearned credence to the enemies of Israel.

I will not support the Liberals............period. (for all the above reasons, plus)

So, it is the CPC, or long nights in the basement planning the revolution.

My basement is COLD in the winter.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I actually was leaning towards abandoning the CPC.....until I read an editorial piece in the Globe and Mail by Robin Sears.....he staunchly defended the Conservatives against Elections Canada. Sears says Elections Canada used to consult with all parties when defining the rules, and that it was always pretty well left to the Party to decide how and where money could be spent...... Sears also claims Elections Canada decided the "in and out" scheme was not acceptable retroactively.........a complete departure from common practise.

Robin Sears, BTW, is an NDP advisor...........

Hey Colpy you can defend your insuperable Gestapo mentor snow white Harper, but the day will come when you will realize the losers you supported will do you harm. The truth here is defending losers like the Mulrony rat pack is a mental condition which is sapping all human potential. Harper while campaigning and pleading to the Canadian voter he said we can bring clean and transparent Government to Ottawa while simultaneously he was telling 67 deferent rat followers to participate in the most third world country election fraud. Go head Colpy defend these pathetic slimy rats.:roll:

 

[Avro]

Quoting Walter 1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.




Hey Avro you owe an apology to none white people. I have been very civil here with some of the stupid idiotic NEO CON spin. Look above what Walter wrote and look under Walters moronic bla bla and your response is not defending ordinary people but rather you show to be a Conservative bigot. Ok? So don't be calling me names, you are the mental midget and you should do something real soon about getting a life which can be of benefit to you and others you associate with. Other wise you will go down in history as a bigot and a small minded loser. You are asking on your last sentence in this quote to tell you what is the American identity, who is talking about Americans and their identity in this thread?:roll::roll::roll::roll:

Not true at all. My comment was directed at Walt's bigotry.Try actually reading next time.

Now the next sentence you shoudld be writing to me should start as follows, "Dear Avro, I'm sorry I assumed you were a bigot because of my inferior use of the English language.....etc etc.

 

[Tonington]

Colpy,

I don't know about the retroactive decisions of Elections Canada, but here's my beef. You're a CPC supporter, and you've donated your own money to the party. There's of course nothing wrong with that. You should spend your money as you choose. But as part of this "in and out scheme", local candidates had money transfered from the National party to their campaigns, that's money you donated, and then back to the National party. Then they recieved tax rebates for that money. That's the allegation as I understand it. That means that other Canadians, who haven't chosen to support the CPC, are actually having their tax money support the donations made by you and other CPC supporters.

Maybe this is also happening with the other parties. That's not proven yet, nor is it proven with the CPC. But if it's true, that's a gross abuse. Overspending is one thing, it's quite another to abuse tax payers.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Not true at all. My comment was directed at Walt's bigotry.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Not true at all. My comment was directed at Walt's bigotry.Try actually reading next time.

Now the next sentence you shoudld be writing to me should start as follows, "Dear Avro, I'm sorry I assumed you were a bigot because of my inferior use of the English language.....etc etc.

Avro the statement you are making after Walter, is so in line with Walters bigoted bla bla that it clearly identifies your thoughts on the subject of immigration, let me repeat your statement as you see it bellow, your rebuttal is about me not having a grip on the English language and you never said anything derogatory about immigrants. So if you call that disagreeing with Walter man you sure have a strange way of explaining your position.
So what if none white well intentioned migrants make Canada their home, is that bother you, I know it bothers Walter his followers and the Snow White rate pack in Ottawa. Man on man you are upside down in you intellectual small theater.:roll::roll::roll:

"Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white".

Quoting Walter 1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.

Quoting Avro Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white.

Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?
​

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Colpy,

I don't know about the retroactive decisions of Elections Canada, but here's my beef. You're a CPC supporter, and you've donated your own money to the party. There's of course nothing wrong with that. You should spend your money as you choose. But as part of this "in and out scheme", local candidates had money transfered from the National party to their campaigns, that's money you donated, and then back to the National party. Then they recieved tax rebates for that money. That's the allegation as I understand it. That means that other Canadians, who haven't chosen to support the CPC, are actually having their tax money support the donations made by you and other CPC supporters.

Maybe this is also happening with the other parties. That's not proven yet, nor is it proven with the CPC. But if it's true, that's a gross abuse. Overspending is one thing, it's quite another to abuse tax payers.

"That means that other Canadians, who haven't chosen to support the CPC, are actually having their tax money support the donations made by you and other CPC supporters".

Tonington, your point above is on the money.
So rude for a group of political vicious circle opportunists who feel we will tell them we are better but when we get in they will not know what hit them, as it has been demonstrated by Snow White Harper ethics Institute from theft of voting civil rights, to fraudulent campaigning.

The Federal Government out to do in his boss, the people who gave him a mandate although a minority it is still a chance, and while Harper is on with his secret plan to punish the voter who voted and people who did not voted for them with a cost which was fraudulent in the eye of the watch dog Elections Canada.

What is really more iretating here is that, Snow White thinks that they will win taking Elections Canada to court. A totally absurd expectation.
If this was an IQ test to test the current morons for moral and ethical competence they have failed miserably in the tune were they could miss the next train to govern.

 

[Avro]

Avro the statement you are making after Walter, is so in line with Walters bigoted bla bla that it clearly identifies your thoughts on the subject of immigration, let me repeat your statement as you see it bellow, your rebuttal is about me not having a grip on the English language and you never said anything derogatory about immigrants. So if you call that disagreeing with Walter man you sure have a strange way of explaining your position.
So what if none white well intentioned migrants make Canada their home, is that bother you, I know it bothers Walter his followers and the Snow White rate pack in Ottawa. Man on man you are upside down in you intellectual small theater.:roll::roll::roll:

"Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white".

Quoting Walter 1968; the beginning of Turdomania and the demise of Canadian identity.

Quoting Avro Identity? What the hell does that mean? It's thrown about as if it really means something but really means nothing other than code for we are letting in more immigrants who aren't white.​

Tell me, what is the American identity other than a big military?​

You're an idiot and I just proved it. Have fun in your tiny world but I will still fight bigots like Walt.....here's an example.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/sports/73142-montreal-hockey-fans-run-wild-2.html


......and just today.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/73329-gay-bar-settles-human-rights.html