The Canadian election………….

Machjo

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A Liberal-Green calition might be good too. The Greens would push for electoral reform, but the Libs would likely want to oppose it (it would be suicidal for the Libs to support it after all). The Greens are slightly more economically conservative than the Libs, so that would put the breaks on the Libs a little. The Libs and Greens could agree to a gas tax, but the Libs would still feel pressure from the Greens to go towards income splitting and other income tax breaks. The Libs would wnt out of Afghanistan by 2011, the Greens just want a UN-led mission. Could be some tension there.
 

Machjo

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Lib-NDP? Wow. Tax hikes. And uncertainty as to when Afgan ends (Libs, 2011, NDP, 2009!). Libs support gas tax, NDP opposes (NDP and Conservatives do have things in common). Neither is so warm on income splitting, so income-tax drops would not be very dramatic if at all. For high income earners, definitely an increase. NDP would want electoral reform, Libs not likely.

Fragile.
 

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A Liberal-Green calition might be good too. The Greens would push for electoral reform, but the Libs would likely want to oppose it (it would be suicidal for the Libs to support it after all). The Greens are slightly more economically conservative than the Libs, so that would put the breaks on the Libs a little. The Libs and Greens could agree to a gas tax, but the Libs would still feel pressure from the Greens to go towards income splitting and other income tax breaks. The Libs would wnt out of Afghanistan by 2011, the Greens just want a UN-led mission. Could be some tension there.

That is the most possible scenario, a Lib Green coalition.................
 

Machjo

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Greens do seem more willing to compromise though, perhaps because they're well aware that in the forseeable future, we wont' have a green majority.

Besides, though I like Green, even I would be hesitant to give them a majority even if I could.
 

Machjo

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Lib-Green could only work though if their combined numbers could form a majority. Otherwise, either the Greens will have to go to Conservative if it has more seats (I doubt they'd get along well though), or the Libs get together either with the Cons or NDP. Or a multi-party coallition.

But yes, the ideal might be a LIb-Green if they can make it.
 

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I still can't picture a working coalition between Dion & Layton. They've said some
ugly things about each other during this campaign, and I don't think their ego's will
allow the other one to lead. Jack has made it quite clear as to what he thinks of
Stephane's central platform, and Stephane has made it quite clear as to what he
thinks of a coalition with the NDP. If it forms, we'll be looking at another election
in a short amount of time...assuming Dion will actually stand up in opposition of
Harper this go around. Combine the dollar figures of the promises made by the
Liberal and NDP parties, and assuming this coalition lasts for even a short amount
of time...this will be very expensive. As a Canadian (on the Prairies), I don't look
forward to bankrolling these two guys trying to out-promise each other...
Yeah, the libs and ndp have been getting nasty with each other.
 

Machjo

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NDP-Bloc? I haven't thought about that too much, but the NDP generally likes the Bloc, its separatist stance aside. And the Bloc generally agrees with the NDP on many points, their centralist attitude aside.

Now that might be a likely but expensive coallition. It would lean in a more socialist direction, might lead to voting reform, could lead to decentralization (as a compromise on the NDP side), and a major tax hike.

Good news? Well, I suppose social services could be improved a little before next election. But I certainly wouldn't want something like that two elections in a row. Then taxes would really jump.

But if only for one mandate, I suppose it would be long enough to fix ailing socialservices, and then a future alternative coallition could reign it in a little later.
 

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Anyway, soc, get out and vote! I'll be working as scrutineer all election day and then attending a victory party for my candidate, so, I'll talk to you wednesday :lol:
 
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Anyway, soc, get out and vote! I'll be working as scrutineer all election day and then attending a victory party for my candidate, so, I'll talk to you wednesday :lol:


Good stuff, we are all Canadians no mater what the outcome....Canadians are a good bunch when we take a look at other examples... Enjoy Pal........
 

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Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research

Conservatives Lead by Ten Points in Canada

October 13, 2008
 

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Conservatives Lead by Ten Points in Canada

October 13, 2008

Globe and Mail: October 14, 2008

Conservatives: 35%
Liberals: 27%
NDP: 19%
Bloc: 10%
Green: 9%

@ 6:39 AM ET
 
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Stephen Taylor on newspaper endorsements: Harper 18, Dion 1
Posted: October 14, 2008, 12:30 PM by Kelly McParland
National Post
“Faced with these high stakes, we believe, Canada would be best served if Stephen Harper’s Conservative government were to receive a second mandate, this time in majority form.”
The Economist
And yet, in a sinking world, Canada is something of a cork. Its well-regulated banks are solid. Growth has slowed but not stopped. The big worry is the fear that an American recession will drag Canada down with it. Mr Harper says, rightly enough, that his government has taken prudent measures to help Canada weather a storm it cannot duck: he has offered tax cuts and selective aid to help vulnerable manufacturing towns. But it is his seeming non-reaction to what is so far a non-crisis that looks likely to deny him the majority he was seeking, and could even let in the opposition. In what is the first credit-crunch election in a big Western country, Mr Harper’s ejection would set a dispiriting precedent that panic plays better politically than prudence.
Toronto Sun
While we respect all the national party leaders, realistically, Canadians Tuesday must choose between Stephen Harper and Stephane Dion to lead us through tough economic times. To us, the choice for prime minister is clear. It’s Harper.
Vancouver Sun
So on the ballot box question that’s on everybody’s mind - the slowing economy - we trust Harper to navigate the rough road ahead. A majority government for the Conservatives led by Stephen Harper is our choice.
Montreal Gazette
“On balance, however, we believe that considering the Conservative record and the goals, policies, and personnel of the other parties, it is the Conservatives who deserve to be re-elected on Tuesday. Amid all the unfair and misleading advertising of this campaign, one Conservative message is truer now than when the writ was dropped: Constancy and prudence with the country’s finances are even more important when we’re in the economic doldrums.”
Ottawa Citizen
“We believe that Canadians should return the Conservatives to government on Oct. 14, but not because Stephen Harper is an inspiring figure. He is not. There are no Obama-esque promises to repair the world. But Mr. Harper offers the steadiest hand and clearest judgment to steer Canada through the rough waters that lie ahead.”
Winnipeg Free Press
“Under the shrill cacophony of the opposition’s cries for action, Mr. Harper’s Conservatives have remained calm. Look at the last two years, the prime minister says, correctly claiming that he has offered generally competent government. In the face of this crisis, he promises more of the same. On Thursday, two major international financial institutions, the International Monetary Fund and the World Economic Forum, agreed with him, saying that Canada was on the right course to weather the storm. Mr. Harper’s economic policy is clear and practical and worth supporting on Tuesday. To turn the old saying on its head, this time, hard times should be Tory times. As The Economist said Thursday, if Canadians reject the Conservatives, it would ’set a dispiriting precedent that panic plays better politically than prudence.’”
Edmonton Journal
“And in that real world, both Canada and Alberta in particular will be best served if Stephen Harper’s Conservatives are re-elected with the strength to be more than caretakers until we have to go through all of this again.”
Kitchener-Waterloo Record
Each voter will have to respond to this question as he or she sees fit. The way The Record’s editorial board views the situation, there are only two viable options, one coming from Harper’s Conservatives, the other from Stéphane Dion’s Liberals. And when we weigh things as fairly and carefully as we can, we conclude that Harper and his party deserve another term in government.
Ottawa Sun
In every election campaign there comes a moment when someone declares it to be the most important election in a very long time. This is that moment for us. What Ottawa and Canada need now is a strong Conservative government led by Stephen Harper.
Calgary Sun
But on the big question — who should be our prime minister — there’s no question. It’s Harper.
Edmonton Sun
Still, after assessing all the party promises, the Edmonton Sun believes the one that will inflict the least damage on our economy and way of life is the platform presented by Harper’s Conservatives.
Vancouver Province
Rather than roll the dice, protecting Canadians during these difficult and unstable times calls for proven, rational measures from a federal government that uses workable fundamentals, such as keeping taxes low, paying down debt and maintaining controlled spending. That’s why we are endorsing Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Conservatives and urge voters to give them a majority on Oct. 14, a majority incidentally that should include stronger representation from B.C.
Winnipeg Sun
Harper has also proven himself on the world stage. He’s unafraid to make tough decisions and, unlike the Liberals, committed to properly funding our military and giving it a clear mandate and mission, before sending our soldiers into harm’s way.
Brantford Expositor
Like many Canadians, we have been fairly satisfied with Harper’s government since it took office in January 2006. The Harper government has cut taxes and the national debt. It has promised to remove our forces from Afghanistan. It has belatedly responded to the crisis on the stock markets.
Calgary Herald
“Thus, the choice is simple. The Calgary Herald endorses Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Conservatives. They deserve to be re-elected based on their record, competence, and on the prime minister’s steady hand as Canada heads into uncharted, choppy economic waters.”
Windsor Star
“Harper has come under fire in some quarters for not empathizing more with Canadians fearful about their finances but Canadians don’t want their leaders to feign emotion and pretend to “feel their pain.” They want their leaders to alleviate it through sound policies rather than sound bites, actions rather than words. Canadians need sturdy leadership in these uncertain times and Harper offers it.”
Globe and Mail
“On balance, Mr. Harper remains the best man for the job in the tough times now upon us. He deserves if not four more years, at least two more years.”

Toronto Star
For all these reasons, Harper and the Conservatives do not deserve to be re-elected on Tuesday. We prefer Dion and the Liberals.
 

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Globe and Mail: October 14, 2008

Conservatives: 35%
Liberals: 27%
NDP: 19%
Bloc: 10%
Green: 9%

@ 6:39 AM ET

Good day scartch, a slide move up on either the Liberals or the Green and it could look like Harper is moving from Sussex Dr.......