The Beauty Backlash

[jimshort19]

Darkbeaver

Yes, of course, but not at the end of things, not so graphically, not so symbollically. The majority of Americans heard the news within perhaps 30 minutes, a million a minute, then tens of millions an hour, and the whole of them and half the human race had seen it with their own eyes before the day was out. It was a human sacrifice on a technological altar, an innocent yet aware young school marm, on a missile made by men. Like Franklin of the north or Scott of the south, her mission was lost, and may be forgotten by many, but her mission was larger, symbolic from the outset, and it was felt.

I heard men say before she left, "She's not even a pilot. She doesn't belong." Then the fire. The battle was finished. I saw them choke, and it became symbolic for me.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes, of course, but not at the end of things, not so graphically, not so symbollically. The majority of Americans heard the news within perhaps 30 minutes, a million a minute, then tens of millions an hour, and the whole of them and half the human race had seen it with their own eyes before the day was out. It was a human sacrifice on a technological altar, an innocent yet aware young school marm, on a missile made by men. Like Franklin of the north or Scott of the south, her mission was lost, and may be forgotten by many, but her mission was larger, symbolic from the outset, and it was felt.

I heard men say before she left, "She's not even a pilot. She doesn't belong." Then the fire. The battle was finished. I saw them choke, and it became symbolic for me.

I didn't know she was the first female fatality of the space race. Come to think of it I can remember the media lead-up to the launch and the post accident feeding frenzy. I quess I wasn't looking for any deeper symbolism. Thank-you:smile:

 

[karrie]

I love the net. So many views of things that you wouldn't get anywhere else.

Warrior... you pointed out that media isn't the only one to blame, that women have been modifying themselves for ages without a 'media' influence, and it's a very good point. While I don't think it erases the issue, it does show that media works hand in hand with insecurities and compulsions that are there to begin with. Something I never would have really thought about despite my knowledge of the anthropological history of the female image.

And Jim, wow... a way of looking at the explosion that I'd really never considered.

Always nice to have my brain bent in a new direction. Thanks guys.

 

[darkbeaver]

http://http://www.goddessgift.net/thumbs/Goddess%20Willendorf%20White_t.jpg

 

[Outta here]

:idea:

Is it just me or did DB's post fly right over all our heads?

 

[karrie]

if you quote it, it looks like there was meant to be a picture there or something.

I think he's just messing with us.

lol

 

[Outta here]

No, I'm sure he's trying to make some kind of profound but obscure point. I say we guess what he's trying to tell us until he enlightens us.

 

[karrie]

Ooo, that sounds like a fun idea.

"What point was darkbeaver trying to make about the beauty backlash?"

I think he was saying that all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image.

Yeah, that's what it was.

 

[Outta here]

ohhhh speaking of shaving, perhaps DarkBeaver was trying to relay this news to us:

Women world wide who are opposed to President Bush have been making a "hidden" beauty statement by shaving their nether regions in solidarity of their message: "No more Bush"





Oh dear, this isn't wreck beach is it?

 

[karrie]

lol. that's hilarious.

 

[L Gilbert]

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Anyway, perhaps Warrior's world is monochromatic as it seems and women are to blame for all their own woes in his view, but fortunately he is in a minority. And he's funny, possibly on purpose.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

I can see Maxim being full of young sexy girls. But why does a women's mag promote the "ideal" shape. Heck, why does GQ or Men's Health do the same. They are preaching to the converted. Speak and show the truth.

 

[Zzarchov]

I like the tact Dove ™ has been taking in recent years - I hope they can help establish a new standard - they've aimed their advertising towards a process of celebrating what makes all women unique and real - which is a great first step. Check this out.

Sadly on a side note, thats all just empty marketing buzz. The market wants to talk about the evil beauty industry, so Dove talks about it the evil beautry industry.

Dove is owned by Unilever, who also owns Axe.

So the Dove ad is just Unilever "complaining" about how its objectifying women in its own ads, running at that very same moment.

 

[jimshort19]

Dove ad

Cool sequence on You Tube. Nothing sinister, just the fact Jack. When the truth is told, and the consumer still complains, the consumer has been tested and proved to prefer a lie.

Mind you, I have no sound, too 21st century, so maybe the audio may be evil.

 

[darkbeaver]

Sadly on a side note, thats all just empty marketing buzz. The market wants to talk about the evil beauty industry, so Dove talks about it the evil beautry industry.

Dove is owned by Unilever, who also owns Axe.

So the Dove ad is just Unilever "complaining" about how its objectifying women in its own ads, running at that very same moment.

Isn't that a strange thing for a responsible corporation to be involved in?

 

[jimshort19]

Karrie reading Darkbeaver

"... all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image."

I think that armpit hair is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman. In fact, I think that just about everything is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman.

It is only logical, by Karrie channeling DB extension, that women should stop bathing and perhaps smear s..t all over themselves. Make the media pay! Ya, that'll do it. They'll be sorry, those media bastards!

That's too dark Karrie. Getting anything a little more beavery?

 

[karrie]

"... all women should cease shaving their legs and underarms immediately to protest the media circus that surrounds image."

I think that armpit hair is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman. In fact, I think that just about everything is sexy, if it is attached to the right woman.

It is only logical, by Karrie channeling DB extension, that women should stop bathing and perhaps smear s..t all over themselves. Make the media pay! Ya, that'll do it. They'll be sorry, those media bastards!

That's too dark Karrie. Getting anything a little more beavery?

I think doing anything with your appearance simply because someone else told you you should is a bit ridiculous. :smile: I've been encouraged to stop shaving by friends before for various reasons.... "It's liberating", etc. I just smiled and nodded... no way in hell I'm gonna quit shaving anything that I currently shave. Nuh-uh.

 

[darkbeaver]

Karrie you mentioned an interest in anthropology some time ago. You know that little Venus figurine from the neolithic. That was at one time considered femenine perfection. What can we attribute to the difference between todays industrial women and yesterdays goddess? Can we discuss the last thirty or forty thousand with respect to feminine beauty over the eons.
When humans had fine pelts women must have been nice then as well.:smile:

 

[karrie]

lol... I'll have to come back to it on a day when I'm thinking clearer beaver.

My best explanation is that society tends to idealize the average women in their era. They are the ideal, because they're available and represent health by being neither the biggest nor the smallest.

The problem we've run into is that now, due to the way we staff our entertainment and advertising industry, the small percentage of extremely well built, slim women, are the ones that we see throughout the day, moreso than the typical person on the street. Thus, they become the average in our minds, the ones to idealize.

 

[darkbeaver]

lol... I'll have to come back to it on a day when I'm thinking clearer beaver.

My best explanation is that society tends to idealize the average women in their era. They are the ideal, because they're available and represent health by being neither the biggest nor the smallest.

The problem we've run into is that now, due to the way we staff our entertainment and advertising industry, the small percentage of extremely well built, slim women, are the ones that we see throughout the day, moreso than the typical person on the street. Thus, they become the average in our minds, the ones to idealize.

O/K take it easy, but think about a slide presentation of archilogical exhibits representing the feminine ideal at intervals of whatever you know