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Goober

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That is not the US, those are UN sanctions nice try though. How is US foreign policy and American's indifference affecting the average Iranian?
Mismanagement of the economy along with the outright theft by all powerful Politicians and Religious leaders. Check to see how many companies are run/owned by the Revolutionary Guards is one place for Jbeee to look. .
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yea, you bring up the fact he ran up a deficit without mentioning that the same trend was seen in many of the western countries at the time, including the u.s.a...
Right, so we should view him favourably because he made the same mistake a lot of other people did? That makes perfect sense.
 

Cannuck

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Right, so we should view him favourably because he made the same mistake a lot of other people did? That makes perfect sense.

No but you should understand the political culture of the time and not view his actions in a vacuum. Their was no appetite for balanced budgets at the time. I distinctly remember Clark trying to get the deficit under control and getting turfed out of office. Blame Trudeau all you want but deficit financing is what the Canadian people wanted.
 

Goober

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No but you should understand the political culture of the time and not view his actions in a vacuum. Their was no appetite for balanced budgets at the time. I distinctly remember Clark trying to get the deficit under control and getting turfed out of office. Blame Trudeau all you want but deficit financing is what the Canadian people wanted.
Yes I do remember Clark wanted to raise gas taxes 18 cents - Trudeau stated no more than 16 cents during his campaign. Then the following year it was raised again.

But then all CBC did was focus on things like Clarke's lost baggage. Quite the impartial newscaster then eh.
 

Dexter Sinister

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No but you should understand the political culture of the time and not view his actions in a vacuum.
Yeah, I get that, I was a young man at the time and very much engaged in the political culture, but that doesn't mean he was right, and that's the point. CUBert's claiming without offering any evidence that he was the greatest, I think he did too many things wrong--see Colpy's short list above, for instance--to wear that mantle.
 

Goober

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Yeah, I get that, I was a young man at the time and very much engaged in the political culture, but that doesn't mean he was right, and that's the point. CUBert's claiming without offering any evidence that he was the greatest, I think he did too many things wrong--see Colpy's short list above, for instance--to wear that mantle.
Laurier does often come to mind as well.
 

Cannuck

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Colpy's list was hardly convincing, how are bilingualism and multiculturalism negatives?

Needless expense mostly. Out west, we would be better off having government services in English/Chinese rather than English/French. As for multiculturalism, I really don't care if people wish to retain their cultures. The English, French, Irish, Ukrainians and Dutch Canadians all did it without government money.
 

Goober

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Needless expense mostly. Out west, we would be better off having government services in English/Chinese rather than English/French. As for multiculturalism, I really don't care if people wish to retain their cultures. The English, French, Irish, Ukrainians and Dutch Canadians all did it without government money.


I read that in calgary i believe they want Punjabi taught in the schools.
 

The Old Medic

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JBEE, if you truly think that war never settles anything, I would suggest that you set up a conference to discuss this matter.

Start with a representative of the Carthiginians. Add in a representative of the Republican Government of Spain, a leader of the Nazi Government of Germany, the Czarist or "White" Russians, the various native tribes exterminated in both North and South America. Let that conference discuss exactly how much war has very clearly settled the fates of the peoples that existed in those countries, those that supported various movements, etc.

You might want to make the Dodo the emblem of your movement.

You have such a childish viewpoint, a smattering of semi-education, and a virtual totality of ignorance about exactly what the Veterans of various wars have done for the peoples of their countries.

Had there not been Allied World War II Veterans, as just one example, virtually all of Europe would now speak German. Great Britain, Holland Denmark, Belgium, France, Norway, Russia, Czechoslovakia (and the 2 republics built out of it), Austria, Rumania, Italy, etc. would no longer exist. The Jews would have been totally exterminated from Europe, as would the Gypsies, homosexuals, physically and mentally disabled, Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Adventists, and virtually every other religious group in Europe.

In Asia, Japan would dominate everything. Chinese and Korean women would exist to be prostitutes for Japanese soldiers, as would Philipinas, and many others. The darker races of Asia would have been exterminated (including the Australian Aboriginies).

It would be nice if you actually learned from history, instead of simply regurgitating the inane pap that you so strongly believe in.

I hate to tell you, but war has totally, and completely, settled more issues than any other thing in history (I am including the diseases that often accompany wars, especially those in the past).
 

gerryh

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It would be nice if you actually learned from history, instead of simply regurgitating the inane pap that you so strongly believe in.

I hate to tell you, but war has totally, and completely, settled more issues than any other thing in history (I am including the diseases that often accompany wars, especially those in the past).



Maybe you should follow your own advice. Following on that thought, tell me what was settled with WW1.
 

Goober

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Maybe you should follow your own advice. Following on that thought, tell me what was settled with WW1.
What was settled then was if you destroy a countries ability to improve their economy by placing everything they own literally as War Reparations as was done after WW1, you set the seeds for another War.

Then we also had the Marshall Plan - As much to stop a repeat of the ealier mistakes and as a bastion against communism - but it also put Western Europe back towards a stable economy.
 

gerryh

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What was settled then was if you destroy a countries ability to improve their economy by placing everything they own literally as War Reparations as was done after WW1, you set the seeds for another War.

Then we also had the Marshall Plan - As much to stop a repeat of the ealier mistakes and as a bastion against communism - but it also put Western Europe back towards a stable economy.


ROFLMAO....so...WWI, the "war to end all wars" was just a setup for another war. I wonder, could that be said about all wars?
 

Goober

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ROFLMAO....so...WWI, the "war to end all wars" was just a setup for another war. I wonder, could that be said about all wars?
I brought forward some points to your question - laugh or criticize - Or perhaps rebut - We are all well aware of the name and familiar with that refrain of the War to end all Wars.
 

gerryh

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Not all, but WW-I definatly was concluded after WW-II.


Of course, so, I guess my Grandfathers feelings that his brothers life was wasted and his time dodging bullets in the cavalry was a waste, are wrong, since WWII made everything A-OK in the world.:roll:
 

Goober

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Of course, so, I guess my Grandfathers feelings that his brothers life was wasted and his time dodging bullets in the cavalry was a waste, are wrong, since WWII made everything A-OK in the world.:roll:
All he said was he was concluded after WW2

As o Cavalry i take it that you are referring to WW1?