Terrorist attack in London

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I don't have to know who you are. Have fun back there. really, PA is a nice town. Don't worry about it. Even a bit.
 

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By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jul 8,11:00 AM ET



BAGHDAD, Iraq - Islamic extremists have been using Iraq as a planning center for attacks around the world since losing Afghanistan as their base in 2001, the government's chief spokesman said Friday.

Speaking about Thursday's blasts in London that killed more than 50 people, Laith Kubba said "we don't know exactly who carried out these acts but it is clear that these networks used to be in Afghanistan and now they work in Iraq."

The spokesman said that insurgents in Iraq and those who carried out the London attacks "are from the same network. There are different groups in the world, but they all follow the same school."

Kubba was referring to hardline Muslim extremists who label people that don't agree with them as infidels.

"We don't know exactly who enters Iraq then leaves to carry out attacks with explosives around the world," he told The Associated Press.

Iraq's government has accused Syria of allowing insurgents to cross its porous border into Iraq — a claim Damascus denies, saying it cannot fully control its portion of the frontier.

Meanwhile, President Jalal Talabani condemned the London attacks because "these vile crimes reflect the moral bankruptcy of those who conducted them in the name of humanity."

"Terrorism has become an international plague that does not discriminate between races, people or religions," Talabani said in a letter to British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Insurgent attacks in Iraq have killed thousands since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime in April 2003. Britain has been the United States' closest ally in Iraq and has hundreds of troops in southern regions.


(only someone who is brain dead would not have anticipated that terrorist groups would gravitate to Iraq , once Iraq was destabilized by the invasion. Seems that is exactly the kind of environment they thrive on. So "thanks" to mr. bush,(emperor wanna be) for creating more terrorists and more incentive for same. If bush wanted Iraq so bad......why did he have to coerce other nations into a "coalition" to go in with him??? HE and he alone is responsible for this.......the rest are bit players who will be paying with consequences. Don't think this "war" is about "ideology" as the bush goons/criminals imply as much as it is about raw power. Just more spin from their spin factory.
 

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London: Bush's Flypaper Theory is Blown to Pieces
Posted July 7, 2005

Well, there goes that theory...

Odds are we probably won't be hearing for a while the Bush mantra that the reason we're fighting them over in Iraq is so we don't have to fight them here at home. For the last few months, this ludicrous shibboleth has been the president's go-to line -- his latest rationale for slogging on in Iraq.

Here he was on July 4th: "We're taking the fight to the terrorists abroad so we do not have to face them here at home."

And during his primetime speech to the nation on June 28th, there he was again, this time quoting the commander on the ground in Iraq: "We either deal with terrorism and this extremism abroad, or we deal with it when it comes to us."

The attacks in London proved how absurd this either/or logic is when fighting this kind of hydra-headed enemy.

Not only was this flypaper theory empirically disproved by the London carnage, it directly contradicts the president's other most often used justification for the war -- that we invaded to liberate the Iraqi people. So let me get this straight: we invaded them to liberate them... and to use them as bait to attract terrorists who we could fight on the streets of Baghdad rather than the streets of London and New York?

Of course, it didn't take the London bombings to reveal this premise as a sham. The presence of American forces in Iraq didn't keep the enemies of western culture from attacking Madrid. And it didn't keep them from planting explosives in London's tubes. And it won't, in and of itself, keep them from striking here. Indeed, it's helping terrorists recruit new followers -- and hone their deadly skills.

How pathetic is it to keep arguing that fighting Baathist Sunni insurgents in Iraq is keeping us safe from Al Qaeda terrorists and their offshoots on our soil?

It's still not clear who was responsible for the London bombings, but let's assume for a moment that the initial reports turn out to be true, and that it was an offshoot of Al Qaeda. No one can seriously argue that if the U.S. and Britain had spent the last 46 months -- and over $200 billion -- focusing on Al Qaeda rather than Iraq these attacks would not have happened. But we can say without a doubt that spending that time and money in Iraq did not prevent them.

If Iraq is like flypaper, it unfortunately looks like we're the ones who are stuck there. Any predictions of what Bush's rewrite boys will come up with next?
 

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missile said:
Perhaps the Olympics should be cancelled altogether. There is no way to guarantee the security of any of the athletes or the spectators.

Do you think the British would bow to the demands of the terrorists? No. Even the Luftwaffe in 1940 couldn't break us.

The London Olympics will be a great Games.
 

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In 2012, London will become the first city in the world to host the Olympics three times. I think Britain will also become the first country to host the summer Olympics three times.

London had the Olympics in 1908 and 1948, the first city to host the Games since WWII.
 

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St. Louis, Los Angeles and Atlanta, at least, have hosted the summer games Blackleaf. But keep posting those pro-UK stories. I love them.
 

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The British tell the terrorists: "Go to Hell."




The British people DO NOT want British troops to leave Iraq. The number of people who think British troops should leave Iraq has now fallen since the London bombings, and those saying that we should strengthen our ties with the US has increased. This is in sharp contrast to Spain, whose people demanded Spanish troops leave Iraq after Madrid was attacked by Al Qaeda terrorists.



Britons will never give in to terrorists
By Anthony King
(Filed: 09/07/2005)

The perpetrators of Thursday's atrocities are living in a fantasy world if they think the British people can be intimidated by terrorism, let alone converted to Islam.

The findings of YouGov's survey show they are equally deluded if they think they can drive a wedge either between Britain and the United States or between most Britons and their Muslim fellow countrymen.

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The vast majority of YouGov's respondents are proud of London's emergency services and of the way ordinary Londoners responded to Thursday's bombings.

They have no intention of changing the way they live and work merely to satisfy the desires of a few fanatics.

Not surprisingly, people's willingness to see the authorities taking whatever steps are necessary to apprehend and, if need be, detain potential terrorists has risen sharply.

More than 80 per cent believe the threat is so serious that the authorities should act against suspected terrorists even if they have not committed any offence.

The survey also reveals increased support for identity cards. Compared with last week, support for ID cards has increased significantly, almost certainly as a result of the attacks. Even so, people by a wide margin remain unconvinced that the introduction of cards would help prevent terrorist acts.

Although most Britons do reckon that the London bombings were the work of Islamic extremists, most show no disposition to point the finger of blame at British Muslims as a whole. On the contrary, well over 80 per cent are convinced that the great majority of British Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding citizens who condemn the bombings like everyone else.

The response of Tony Blair and his ministers to the attacks has clearly boosted the standing of both. Early this year, twice as many people said they were dissatisfied with Mr Blair as Prime Minister as said the opposite. In the aftermath of Thursday's bombings, Mr Blair's approval rating has flipped from negative to positive for the first time in five years.

Moreover, the bombings have failed - despite Mr George Galloway's best efforts - to undermine support for the British presence in Iraq. The proportion wanting British troops brought home quickly has fallen and the proportion who now want Britain to retain its close ties with the US has risen. The section of the chart headed "Assessing performance" tells a story of which Britons can be proud.

A massive 95 per cent of YouGov's respondents believe that on Thursday London's emergency services responded either magnificently (71 per cent) or very well (24 per cent). More than two thirds, 71 per cent, give comparably high marks to the Prime Minister and his Government.

Only Britain's intelligence services - for obvious reasons - fare less well. A third of YouGov's respondents, 33 per cent, accord their performance an equally high rating.

As figures in the chart show, virtually the whole nation, 90 per cent, applauds Londoners' courage and calm under fire and Tony Blair's satisfaction rating has shot up from a mediocre 32 per cent at the beginning of this year to a creditable 59 per cent now.

That said, people are far from sanguine about the future. Almost everyone, 92 per cent, reckons that another terrorist attack on a British target is now either "very likely" (45 per cent) or "fairly likely" (47 per cent).

However, the proportion fearing that they themselves or a close family member or friend might be killed or injured in such an attack has not risen significantly. People have clearly thought for a long time that a terrorist attack was probable, but most people evidently have no intention of changing the way they live.

A mere one per cent of YouGov's respondents expects to make big changes as a result of the bombings. The great majority, 88 per cent, expect to make few changes or none at all.

The bombings have provided a modest boost to public support for identity cards. Support for ID cards has risen quite suddenly from 45 per cent a week ago to 50 per cent now. Even so, a substantial majority, 56 per cent, still doubt whether ID cards would help to prevent future outrages.

YouGov's findings also suggest that the London bombings have tipped the balance of opinion still further in favour of according national security priority over at least some civil liberties. An even larger majority than in the past - now 81 per cent - think it is reasonable to take action against potential terrorists even if they have not yet committed a criminal offence.

The figures in the section of the chart headed "Muslims and the bombings" show beyond doubt that a large majority of Britons make some connection between Thursday's attacks and some of the followers of Islam.

Fully 82 per cent are apparently convinced already that Islamic extremists - whether foreign Muslims, British Muslims or some combination of the two - were behind the bombings and 60 per cent believe Britain's security services "should now focus their intelligence-gathering and terrorism-prevention efforts on Muslims in this country or seeking to enter it".

In addition, the proportion believing that Islam itself - as distinct from fundamentalist Islamic groups - poses a threat to western liberal democracy has risen from 32 per cent shortly after the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre to 46 per cent now.

YouGov yesterday elicited the opinions online of 1,854 adults across Britain. The figures have been weighted to conform to the demographic profile of British adults as a whole. YouGov abides by the rules of the British Polling Council.
 

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Toro said:
St. Louis, Los Angeles and Atlanta, at least, have hosted the summer games Blackleaf. But keep posting those pro-UK stories. I love them.

Ok.

But each has only hosted it once.

It's about time the UK got the Olympics. Birmingham and manchester have bid in the past.
 

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From yesterday's Mirror -



WE CAN TAKE IT

8 July 2005

If these murderous bastards go on for a thousand years, the people of our islands will never be cowed

LONDON can take it. That's what they said - our parents and our grandparents - when the murderous bullies of another age were attempting to bomb them into submission.

When the maimed and the dead were being pulled from the rubble, and the survivors were meant to curl up and surrender.

London can take it.

I was sitting in a little cafe in North London yesterday when the news came through. You know how it works - that horrible echo of 9/11 - when suddenly all anyone craves is news.

And your first thoughts are selfish. Of course they are. Where is this son? Where is that loved one? Where is the friend who works next to that bomb blast, the neighbour who would have been on that train, the relative who walks down that street?

Did they survive? Are they OK? The phone lines are jammed, the hospitals are overflowing and when you step into the street all you hear are the sirens, like birdsong from hell.

But then your mind goes back to the generations who have been through all this before. The ones who stood up to the murderous bullies of their age. The men and women who carried on when the barbarians of their time were attempting to make them break.

London can take it.

It is a brave response, and a noble response, and ultimately the only possible response. What else can we say? How else can we play it?

Normality is the best revenge. To live decent, ordinary lives when they are trying to spread terror and fear like some contagious disease. All we can say is that if this thing goes on for 1,000 years, the people of this city and these islands will never be cowed.

London can take it.

This is what terror feels like - it feels like a violation of everything you love. Streets that you played in as a child full of the walking wounded. Buses that your toddler rides on torn apart and spread across the pavement.

Let us seek the men who did this - let us hunt them down and destroy. But more than that, let us send out the message that they famously hung on the front of a destroyed shopfront in the London of the Blitz - business as normal. Three little words that said: Up yours, Adolf.

We will mourn our dead and we will grieve for the families and innocent lives that have been shattered for ever. But we will carry on. Business as usual.

London can take it. The British can take it.

I FEEL very much the Londoner today. I feel every inch of me was born and bred in this beautiful, battered city.

But there have been bombs before and there will be bombs again. In Manchester and Birmingham, in Belfast and Guildford.

They - the murderous cowards who hide in the shadows, who dare not show their miserable faces - did not succeed in the past and they will not succeed today or tomorrow.

Whatever God they bow to. Whatever cause they espouse. Whatever goal is worth tearing the limbs from innocent men, women and children for.

They will never succeed. The British can take it.

London can take it.

Were there ever two days so different in the history of the capital?

On Wednesday they were dancing in the street. When the news of the 2012 Olympics came through, all the indifference and cynicism about the bid was suddenly swept away. Londoners - that wary, knowing, sceptical tribe - all felt lifted with joy that we were going to host the Olympics.

A little bit of Olympic euphoria was in the heart of every Londoner. It was an unforgettable day.

And yesterday was unforgettable for very different reasons. And already it seems too much of a coincidence that these multiple bombs came the day after Londoners danced in the street.

It feels as if someone decided that it was time to punish us. That some cowardly fanatic decided that the time was ripe for the innocent of London to pay for some perceived crime that was never anything to do with them.

As Londoners fought back the tears, as Londoners desperately tried to call their loved ones on phone networks that had packed up and died, as Londoners wandered these streets in a daze - it was impossible to separate Wednesday and yesterday.

The joy of hearing about our successful Olympic bid is now forever joined to the murderous morning after.

BUT what are we meant to do? Are we meant to curl up and die? Are we meant to pack our bags and move to the coast?

We are Londoners. We live here. We love this place. Our children play in the parks, our parents lived out their lives in these streets.

And look at these streets now. Liverpool Street station, the gateway to Essex and the City, surrounded by fire engines. Russell Square, that huge green expanse next to the British Museum, full of men and women with blood streaming from their head wounds.

King's Cross - the hub and the heart of working London. Aldgate, Old Street, the Edgware Road - every one of these bombed-out places brings back memories and emotions to the average Londoner.

This is our home. This is where we work and play. And now it has been violated by men who will never have enough bombs to break the spirit of this city.

There is a song that Noel Coward wrote at the height of the Blitz, and it is called London Pride...

Every Blitz your resistance toughening

From the Ritz to the Rose and Crown.

It was true then and it is true today. The people who placed those bombs should consult the murderous bastards of another age.

It doesn't work. Ask the IRA. Ask the Luftwaffe. None of them got what they wanted. In fact, their bombs made their aims impossible to achieve.

London will weep and London will bury its dead and London will put up extra security and London will steel itself for the next attack.

Every Blitz our resistance toughening - from the Ritz to the Rose and Crown.

London can take it.

www.mirror.co.uk . . .
 

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From The Spectator magazine -

LONDON, July 7, 2005 -- Boy, are AmSpec readers loyal! Half a dozen have already e-mailed to me knowing I am in London for the Spectator of London's annual party. They want to be sure I am all right. I am. Moreover British spirits are undaunted. An Islamofascist website howls that the bombs in London filled "the British with terror and fear and panic." Claptrap! The Islamofascists are curiously like our earlier enemies the Nazis and the Communists. Almost every claim they make is a lie.

I had breakfast at a cafe this morning, a mere 20 minutes from where the first bomb went off. In fact I was having breakfast as it went off. No one in my neighborhood noticed anything amiss for almost three hours. Shoppers shopped. Tourists toured. No one knew anything until around noon. Then somehow word got out that the buses had stopped as had the subways. On the BBC, officials asked people to stay off the streets so that ambulances and police cruisers could get around. By noon the streets were uncommonly quiet.

Then they sprang back to life. It was time for lunch and for the Brits to do what Winston Churchill had urged them to do during the Blitz, return to normal life. It is now evening time and not only have the Brits returned to normal life but the sun is out for the first time in a week. Al Qaeda has achieved nothing but the murder of innocents. Their arch enemy, Prime Minister Tony Blair's popularity is higher than ever. He will get the security measures he has been asking for. That probably means national identity cards here that will make it harder for terrorists to get around. Also, I would think more troops will be available to thwart terrorism at its source.

The British are celebrating the 60th anniversary of V-E and V-J Day. They recall how they dealt with a far more formidable enemy than the ragged demented Islamofascists. One shopkeeper told me, "We have been too easy on them. Now we will get them. The British are slow to anger...but when we are angered..." I think I know what he means. But now it is dinnertime. The restaurants are full. The city hums along. Soon more Islamofascists will be dead.



www.spectator.org . . .
 

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Toro said:
Los Angeles hosted the summer Olympics in 1932 and 1984.

http://www.topendsports.com/events/summer/hosts.htm

But London will be the only city to have ever hosted it three times.

That's one of the reasons why the New York bid failed. The US has hosted 5 times now, I think, and two of them were recent - 1984 and 1996. The US also hosted the soccer World Cup in 1994, which seemed strange to us in Europe because most Americans know nothing anout that game.

So that's what let the New York bid down. But France has only hosted it once (Paris 1924) and the UK twice (London 1908, 1948), so it was time to give it to someone else, rather than the Americans, who held the Games only 9 years ago.

That and the fact that the New Yorkers can't even decide whereasbouts exactly to build the Olympics Stadium, whereas the Londoners have already planend a futuristic stadium in Stratford in the East End.
 

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- London Calling
Jul 7, 2005

by Jeff Buckley

To suggest the response in this country will be one of "Nothing to think about, nothing to process, and nothing to digest other than the sweet soothing sounds of an official government explanation. Easy like a Sunday morning, I always say." is more than a little bit insulting, and shows more than a little ignorance as to the nature of British political life. Blind acceptance isn't the way of things in my experience.

I don't really feel the need to argue with such a banal conspiracy theory but, given the context of the 'war on terror', the invasion of Iraq, etc, what's so difficult to believe about this act being perpetrated by al-Qaeda? The idea that Blair somehow benefits from this has no credence - far more likely is that it's partly al-Qaeda's response to his recent re-election.

Tony Blair did it? I'm not about to be "steamrolled and swept away by the inevitable surge of jingoistic retaliatory euphoria", but anyone who takes Mr Buckley's premise seriously really needs to think about laying off the superskunk.
 

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LONDON - Three bombs containing sophisticated explosives hit the London Underground within less than a minute of each other, police said Saturday as a clearer picture emerged of the coordinated attacks last week that killed at least 49 people.

The bombs on the subway went off within a span of 50 seconds Thursday, suggesting detonation by synchronized timers rather than suicide bombers, police said, revising earlier accounts that the blasts occurred within a 26-minute span. An explosion tore through a double-decker bus nearly an hour later.

The explosions were so destructive that authorities haven't been able to identify a single body and were depending on fingerprints, dental records and DNA analysis, detectives said Saturday.

More bodies remain trapped underground, police said. Recovery crews were hampered by heat, dust and other "difficult conditions," Deputy Commissioner Andy Trotter of British Transport Police said.

Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said he expected the toll to rise but doubted it would reach triple digits. Many of the Underground tunnels are more than 100 feet beneath the surface.

Sophisticated coordination is a hallmark of al-Qaida, the terror network blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States and said by British officials to have possibly been behind the London blasts.

"A slightly different picture is emerging around the timing of these bomb incidents," Deputy Assistant Commission Brian Paddick said at a Metropolitan Police briefing on Thursday's bombings. "All three bombs on the London Underground system actually exploded within seconds of each other, at 8:50 in the morning."

The first bomb exploded at the Aldgate station in east London. Two more went off within seconds, they said.

Police said the bombs were composed of "high explosive" — probably not homemade material. Investigators said Friday that the bombs were lighter than 10 pounds each and could be carried in a backpack.

A fourth destroyed a bus near a subway entrance, killing 13 people, police said. The attacks came as President Bush and other G-8 leaders were holding a summit in Scotland and a day after London was named the host city for the 2012 Olympics.

Forty-nine bodies have been recovered from the bombings but were so mangled that detectives have not been able to identify a single body.

"It is a very harrowing task," police Detective Superintendent Jim Dickie said. "Most of the victims have suffered intensive trauma, and by that I mean there are body parts as well as torsos."

More than 700 people from several countries, including the United States, were wounded.

In a British Broadcasting Corp. radio interview Saturday, Prime Minister Tony Blair said investigators did not yet know who was behind the attacks but hoped to have more information soon.

He said he was aware of a claim of responsibility posted on the Internet by a group calling itself The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe. He said it was "reasonably obvious that it comes from that type of quarter" but not yet clear exactly which organization was responsible.

Little was known about the group, but a Web statement in the same name claimed responsibility for the last major terror attack in Europe: the bombs on commuter trains in Madrid in March 2004 that killed 191 people.

A second claim appeared on a Web site Saturday, this one signed Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades. The group, whose name evokes the alias of Mohammed Atef, Osama bin Laden's top deputy who was killed in a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan in November 2001. But experts say the group has no proven track record of attacks, and note it has claimed responsibility for events in which it was unlikely to have played any role, such as the 2003 blackouts in the United States and London that resulted from technical problems.

Subway passengers around the capital remained wary on Saturday, a day after most of its lines reopened. Rider volume remained steady but light.

"Everyone's looking around a little bit more," said William Palmer, 23, a student.

At King's Cross station, near the site of the deadliest of the three subway bombings, Underground service was partially restored. Flowers and sympathy cards piled up outside honoring the dead — at least 21 were killed on the train bombed between King's Cross and Russell Square stations.

"Madrid is with London," read one card. Another said: "Everyone has gone to the best place, which is heaven."

In the interview, the prime minister also said it was crucial to address terrorism's underlying causes, which he identified as deprivation, lack of democracy and ongoing conflict in the Middle East and praised the calm way Londoners reacted to the bombings.

His countrymen, he said, "are simply not going to be terrorized by terror in this way."
 

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Last week I predicted on this forum the fact that once Bush's popularity ratings were reported as going downwards, another new "attack" or excuse would take place in order to generate support for his criminal war in Iraq. Predictably = BINGO! --- it happened.

Just wait until those ratings go down again.
 

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Blackleaf said:
Toro said:
Los Angeles hosted the summer Olympics in 1932 and 1984.

http://www.topendsports.com/events/summer/hosts.htm

But London will be the only city to have ever hosted it three times.

That's one of the reasons why the New York bid failed. The US has hosted 5 times now, I think, and two of them were recent - 1984 and 1996. The US also hosted the soccer World Cup in 1994, which seemed strange to us in Europe because most Americans know nothing anout that game.

So that's what let the New York bid down. But France has only hosted it once (Paris 1924) and the UK twice (London 1908, 1948), so it was time to give it to someone else, rather than the Americans, who held the Games only 9 years ago.

That and the fact that the New Yorkers can't even decide whereasbouts exactly to build the Olympics Stadium, whereas the Londoners have already planend a futuristic stadium in Stratford in the East End.

I agree. The Olympics have been here too much.
 

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gopher said:
Last week I predicted on this forum the fact that once Bush's popularity ratings were reported as going downwards, another new "attack" or excuse would take place in order to generate support for his criminal war in Iraq. Predictably = BINGO! --- it happened.

Just wait until those ratings go down again.

Too bad it was the wrong country. :lol:
 

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Said1 said:
gopher said:
Last week I predicted on this forum the fact that once Bush's popularity ratings were reported as going downwards, another new "attack" or excuse would take place in order to generate support for his criminal war in Iraq. Predictably = BINGO! --- it happened.

Just wait until those ratings go down again.

Too bad it was the wrong country. :lol:

He got overly excited and forgot.
 

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I think not said:
Said1 said:
gopher said:
Last week I predicted on this forum the fact that once Bush's popularity ratings were reported as going downwards, another new "attack" or excuse would take place in order to generate support for his criminal war in Iraq. Predictably = BINGO! --- it happened.

Just wait until those ratings go down again.

Too bad it was the wrong country. :lol:

He got overally excited and forgot.

I Think So :thumbup: