Terrorist attack in London

Hard-Luck Henry

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Ken livingstone, London's mayor, just about summed up the mood at present:

"This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful; it is not aimed at presidents or prime ministers; it was aimed at ordinary working class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christians, Hindu and Jew, young and old, indiscriminate attempt at slaughter irrespective of any considerations, of age, of class, of religion, whatever, that isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith, it's just indiscriminate attempt at mass murder, and we know what the objective is, they seek to divide London. They seek to turn Londoners against each other and Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack,"

He then had a message for the terrorists who had organised the explosions.

"I wish to speak directly to those who came to London to claim lives, nothing you do, how many of us you kill will stop that flight to our cities where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another, whatever you do, how many you kill, you will fail."
 

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http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050707/why_london_why_now.php


situation unfolding. :cry:


Heartfelt Sympathies to the British, but also congratulations for handling this horror with such efficiency.

simplistic statements like "they hate our freedoms" simply don't count anymore. They are meaningless. This is pre-meditated murder .....with motives that are still not completely clear.

now we have 9-11, 3-11 and 7-7. and a few years back Paris had a serious terror attack too.

another sad day for the world as it has become. :cry:


If ever in the history of this planet, now is the time for a unified approach to this major issue.---and this includes COOPERATION from/of the US . this is not the time for any lone ranger activity.....

Suspect that this will be handled much more effectively (without warring on nations)......and focus on the TERRORIST issue for what it is. The Brits have some experience in this area which will be most helpful.

IF the terrorist groups want to destabilize /terrorize or start wars......... War is exactly what one does NOT give them......as this only perpetuates the cycle of violence. SMART approaches are called for . Not sure it is such a great idea to give this continuous media attention.........as this is the attention the terrorist groups might be looking for too. In a way it tends to "glorify" their actions .....albeit in a negative way.

(just my own thoughts on this)
 

mrmom2

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All rather convenient for Bush and his pals at the G8 is it not here comes your national ID card in the UK the NWO agenda is going to be thrust in our faces as the only answer to Al CIAda again .Can't stop the terror but the sure no who did it right away :? I'm sorry the people of the UK were attacked I'm sure Canada will be nexted
 

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RE: Terrorist attack in L

these problems are here to stay. they won't go away. they need to be contextualized and not over-reacted to. Yes, they are terrible but the reactions must always be justified.
 

Ocean Breeze

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mrmom2 said:
All rather convenient for Bush and his pals at the G8 is it not here comes your national ID card in the UK the NWO agenda is going to be thrust in our faces as the only answer to Al CIAda again .Can't stop the terror but the sure no who did it right away :? I'm sorry the people of the UK were attacked I'm sure Canada will be nexted


not sure what the motive would be to attack CA. So far there is a certain "logic" to their attacks. It seems to involve the US and those party to the US. This is why it is so important for CA to maintain a lower profile and even distance itself a tad from the US ......albeit politely.

All the rhetoric that is being spewed about "they won't win" etc etc....... is a tad empty. As no one has the balls to address the real cause of this. And whether one likes it or not........the causes are directly and indirectly related to the US "foreign policy" and the nations party to same. This might be simplistic ....but unless the situation is analysed more deeply and the facts are faced........not sure much progress can be made. This is not idle "blame the US" for everything. But one cannot ignore that the US factors in . The important questions remain: Why London, Why now??? This takes a lot more depth in analysis than just the superficial statements that are being issued about "not letting them "win". We , the world's population now need some serious in depth answers........not platitudes.
 

mrmom2

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I hope I'm wrong to ITN but it all fits neatly together .Bush and his G8 gangs plans have not been going so smoothly of late and Bang we have another terrorist attack .Kind of puts all their troubles on the back burner and the agenda the have on the front .That agenda puts more and more restrictions on all of us in the so called free world :(
 

Ocean Breeze

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they need to be contextualized and not over-reacted to.


exactly. and definately not "sensationalized" as CNN is prone to do. We don't need to go over 9-11 again and again.....as this new situation takes shape and form. We need facts, that are simply stated and in a calm undramatic manner. Drama "feeds" their barbaric actions.......and gives them international mileage and attention.
 

Ocean Breeze

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mrmom2 said:
I hope I'm wrong to ITN but it all fits neatly together .Bush and his G8 gangs plans have not been going so smoothly of late and Bang we have another terrorist attack .Kind of puts all their troubles on the back burner and the agenda the have on the front .That agenda puts more and more restrictions on all of us in the so called free world :(

INDEED..........ergo the question of "why now?". Bush is talking on CNN at the moment.........same old garbage.

in any such event.........examine the "timing". (as in any serious criminal act. )
 

mrmom2

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London police are saying their going to bring order out of chaos Rather interesting statements.Where are all the camera's and interviews from what I've seen on mainstream media looks controled :?
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
they need to be contextualized and not over-reacted to.


exactly. and definately not "sensationalized" as CNN is prone to do. We don't need to go over 9-11 again and again.....as this new situation takes shape and form. We need facts, that are simply stated and in a calm undramatic manner. Drama "feeds" their barbaric actions.......and gives them international mileage and attention.

Uh huh. How the British will react to this is their business. And I'm sure it will have nothing to do with tea and crumpets.
 

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another perspective:

London Terror Attack will Again Demonstrate Bush Administration, Congressional and Media Failures

proof that fighting in Iraq does NOT keep terrorists away from Home.

London has been attacked by terrorists, and they did it during the G8 meeting. Instead of a puff PR picture of the heads of the G8 nations, we see Tony Blair responding to the terrorist attack. What can he say—that he’s spent more money on sending troops to Iraq than on protecting his nation’s infrastructure? That his support of George Bush’s insane, failed, get rid of Saddam, Iraq experiment has created the greatest PR bonanza for recruiting and passionately energizing and then field training terrorists ever?

Two things are clearer now than ever; 1) the idea that we are fighting the terrorist in Iraq instead of here is an illusion that has already been broken for the British and that will soon be broken for US citizens, and 2) the idea that it was a good thing to get rid of evil, evil Saddam made the Iraq quagmire worth the thousands of american lives, tens of thousands of Iraqi lives and hundreds of billions of wasted dollars, when in fact, Saddam was totally without the WMDs Bush and friends lied about. Saddam was just another rich extremist muslim who gave money to terrorists. There are thousands of them. Do we attack all of them? Only if we are dumb, redneck gaping fools who don't have the capacity to understand the idea that there are consequences for impulsive, violent behavior. In chess, you have to plan three, four or five moves ahead. In this war, the leaders, including the centrist Democrats, failed to do so.

It is only a matter of time until the US experiences a similar attack, or series of attacks. The Bush Right Wing team of idiots who have taken over control of the nation’s defenses have dumped hundreds of billions of dollars into Iraq and Afghanistan—protecting oil pipelines so the Chinese can buy the international companies they protected them for. And now, since those hundreds of billions have been thrown away, the USA is tragically open and vulnerable to a plethora of avenues of potential terrorist attack—our train stations, ports, highways, water resources, nuclear reactors, shopping centers…..

But do the American media cover this failure? No. We hear about the list missing white child, the latest celebrity debauchery, more about the missing girl in Aruba. The people in charge of programming for the mainstream media should be identified and characterized as the despicable media whores they are, and worse, as traitors and failures who have let the United States down. A little research shows that CNN hired Jonathan Klein in November 2004 to head US programming. Klein is a whore, who, in pursuit of better of ratings that compete with the penultimate media whore, Fox news, has weakened the quality of journalism, the strength of the fourth estate’s ability to, by stirring up muck, keep politicians and policy makers honest.

As I write this op-ed, George Bush appears on the news, commenting on the terror attack in London, “those with such evil in their hearts that they will take the lives of innocent folks.”

Well what about the 100,000 innocent Iraqis your orders have led to the death of, you evil, heartless monster? If the terrorists who killed 45 and injured 1000 or more people in London are evil, what does that make you, George Bush, Satan’s right hand man? And what does it make the hapless fools who have voted for you, believing that it was the right religious thing to do?

Where are the reporters who have the guts to comment on your vapid, hypocritical remarks, to point out the outrageous hypocritical bizarreness of your statement? They have been banished by cowardly, media sluts like CNN’s Jonathan Klein and the programming directors for ALL the other mainstream TV media.

When (and it is a WHEN, not an IF) the US is victim to a major terrorist attack, our it is certain that our illustrious, though articulacy challenged Bush will make a similar pronouncement about evil-doers. The braindead news anchor whores will mindlessly and spinelessly follow the marching orders of their pimp programming and content managers as they zoom in on crying family members, scenes of destruction, images of rescue workers…. while they fail to report the right wing extremist influenced and run administration’s failure to do its job protecting the USA’s infrastructure. They will not tie together the connection between the hundreds of billions flushed down the toilet that is the Iraq disaster.

And unfortunately, it is unlikely that the almost worthless Democrats in congress will do much better, except for the handful, such as John Conyers, Barbara Boxer and a few others, who have had the courage to speak truth to power.

It is time that we all face the reality that the politicians in Washington are unable to do what must be done—to stand up to the corporations that are corrupting the political and judicial systems and the media. We have to face the reality that we can’t expect to vote these, at best, failures, at worst, traitors to America, out of office, since they control the vote counting. We have to look at history to identify what other similar trodden upon peoples have done to take back their nations and their rights. Failure to do so will mean we are giving up on the USA. I wonder sometimes, if our antiquated democratic system, with its archaic presidential election process that gives unequally excessive representation to a minority of people because of the electoral college process, will lead to the USA being eclipsed, as it allows itself to be controlled by corporations and extremist religious fanatics. There are newer democracies with better, more sensible representative systems—in the United Kingdom, Germany, Israel, where parliamentary elections offer much more effective ways of representing the wishes of the people. Perhaps, if we the people of the US, fail to take back America, the eclipse of the US as a major power, (as the USA loses the respect of the world, as its industries dwindle because the leaders chose international trade agreements that favor international corporations over US workers and industries, as our educational system is eroded by Christianist fundamentalists who want to destroy the educational system) will be its destiny.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
mrmom2 said:
I hope I'm wrong to ITN but it all fits neatly together .Bush and his G8 gangs plans have not been going so smoothly of late and Bang we have another terrorist attack .Kind of puts all their troubles on the back burner and the agenda the have on the front .That agenda puts more and more restrictions on all of us in the so called free world :(

INDEED..........ergo the question of "why now?". Bush is talking on CNN at the moment.........same old garbage.

in any such event.........examine the "timing". (as in any serious criminal act. )


Why now? Ummm G8 maybe....I thought reason and analysis would have at least lead people to that....
 

mrmom2

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Wheres the camera footage theres cameras all over that place .Do the authorities have the footage will we ever see it .Thats the real question.The truth is there will we be told it :?