mrmom2 said:
Cheers, mom. Not that i know of, though. I imagine the police will be holding on to them for the foreseeable. Stonehenge was ok, not great, too many people in too small a space. I'll pm you a link with some pics later.
Terrorist attack in London
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Cheers, mom. Not that i know of, though. I imagine the police will be holding on to them for the foreseeable. Stonehenge was ok, not great, too many people in too small a space. I'll pm you a link with some pics later.
RE: Terrorist attack in L
It was sad that this happened. Terrible, terrible tragedy, but not really surprising.
Britian is involved in an illegal occupation (so how can one not expect these things to happen?) and maybe the "insurgants" are bringing the war to the home front? Like they did in Spain and it worked to get Spanish to pull out, but I don't think Britain will be intimidated like the Spanish.
Both UK and America have really pissed off hardline muslims so I believe there will be more of these attacks in the world as long as America and the UK continue to illegally occupy Iraq. Its just the sad reality of the state of the world these days.
Maybe if the west stopped interfering in Middle east affairs these things would not happen. I do not support terrorist actions but can understand why they happen.
It was sad that this happened. Terrible, terrible tragedy, but not really surprising.
Britian is involved in an illegal occupation (so how can one not expect these things to happen?) and maybe the "insurgants" are bringing the war to the home front? Like they did in Spain and it worked to get Spanish to pull out, but I don't think Britain will be intimidated like the Spanish.
Both UK and America have really pissed off hardline muslims so I believe there will be more of these attacks in the world as long as America and the UK continue to illegally occupy Iraq. Its just the sad reality of the state of the world these days.
Maybe if the west stopped interfering in Middle east affairs these things would not happen. I do not support terrorist actions but can understand why they happen.
RE: Terrorist attack in L
This is terribly terribly sad. Why should innocent people have to die because Tony Blair is an idiot who went along with Bush's illegal war?
These terrorists don't care who they hurt, all they care about is getting their own way.
I feel sorry for the people of London.
This is terribly terribly sad. Why should innocent people have to die because Tony Blair is an idiot who went along with Bush's illegal war?
These terrorists don't care who they hurt, all they care about is getting their own way.
I feel sorry for the people of London.
Re: RE: Terrorist attack in L
Yes, it is a terrible tragedy. Which dumbfounds me as to why people rush to point fingers when those innocent souls' blood hasn't even dried yet.
no1important said:
Yes, it is a terrible tragedy. Which dumbfounds me as to why people rush to point fingers when those innocent souls' blood hasn't even dried yet.
What's Behind the London Attacks?
The bombing of the London Underground was a false-flag operation designed to keep the West mired in war. Don't believe otherwise.
By Matt Hutaff Jul 7, 2005
Only one word sprang to mind when I heard about the bombings that claimed the lives of dozens of Londoners today – convenient.
Is there anything convenient in death, or in thousands of lives destroyed from catastrophe? No – and words cannot express the sorrow I feel for the men and women changed by today's events. But governments with skeletons in their closets have a great deal to gain from a national tragedy bolstered by "terrorism."
As I sit in my office today, I hear the whispers of co-workers now utterly convinced our war on terror must continue. Despite American and British involvement in the Middle East birthing wave after wave of rebel forces, the Bush doctrine is now justified in the minds of millions. Petty grievances such as the Downing Street Minutes, the President's flagging support and Karl Rove's treasonous outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame are unimportant. A shadowy conglomeration is out to kill us.
Sound familiar? It should – the same emotional ploy was used to great effect on Americans in the wake of September 11th. Question nothing, particularly your cries for vengeance or that nagging feeling in the back of your head. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Unlike four years ago, however, I refuse to accept that the attack on London was anything less than a false-flag operation designed to enrage Western "civilization" against the Middle East. Why? Because there is no reason for "terrorist" groups to attack England. As recently as this week, the Ministry of Defense announced that plans were being drafted that would pull British armed forces from the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. With the British effectively admitting they're throwing in the towel, the only motivation to stay could come from an attack that compels the forces to stay and fight "global terrorism."
Think about it. The attack only benefits empires desperate to maintain a foothold in the Middle East without further eroding public opinion. Will Parliament shrug their shoulders and push their soldiers into longer tours of duty because of this? Obviously it's too early to tell, but if that happens, insurgents and rebels will have lost more than they could have ever possibly gained in destroying part of the Underground.
Brian Kilmeade of Fox News agrees, claiming the sabotage "works to ... [the] Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together." It doesn't just make "terrorism" an American problem. It makes it a worldwide problem. The Number One problem.
No longer do we need to concern ourselves with two world leaders (who have spawned more worldwide terrorism than any fanatical religious organization) going unquestioned in their lies that started a war. We can cast off our sluggish economies, lack of freedoms and pitiful descent into draconian law. Terror is on the rise.
I feel like I'm sitting in my apartment watching the World Trade Center collapse all over again.
Everything is the same, right down to the previously unheard of Islamic group (The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe? Are you kidding me?) taking credit – even though the translation falls apart under scrutiny and the Q'uran is improperly cited. Considering the only Al Qaeda cell to ever be uncovered was a front for the Mossad, you'd think the perpetrators could at least come up with a clever new booga-booga name to grab headlines. Their arrogance is startling.
As is the ever-present Israeli connection, a staple among false flag operations. Before today's attack, the Israeli Embassy in London was notified an attack was forthcoming. As a result, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remained in his hotel room rather than head towards a nearby hotel where he was to address an economic summit.
The embassy denies it had any prior knowledge, of course, but the story has changed dramatically in the process. If, as they say, Netanyahu was not warned, how did he know to stay in his room? How did he know the danger was so severe that he dare not venture out of the hotel?
Oops! The story's changed again – here Netanyahu says that British police had warned the Israelis (but not the rest of the city?) of a pending attack. Scotland Yard denies this; Israel's reply was to say Netanyahu received his warning after the first blast. How? It was initially reported as a power surge for hours. What is being hidden here? And why isn't there an investigation into these obvious discrepancies? What makes Israel so damn special?
It's enough to make your head spin and your eyes cross with rage.
Regardless, I am making an appeal to Britons who are understandably wracked with grief at the moment – don't buy into the hatred the way we Americans did. Don't ignore the obvious evidence that this whole affair was orchestrated by your own government. Most importantly, don't let the deaths of the few, however tragic, plunge your nation into another fit of war and civic clampdowns.
Toying with your emotions is expected. Don't fall prey to ignorance. See the attack on your home for what it really is – a distraction that will keep your money, resources and troops mired in ceaseless battle for an ideology that betrays your democratic and civilized tenets.
Honor your dead with tears, not a cry for war or praise for a disgraced leader.
Canon Fodder is a weekly analysis of politics and society.
http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/0889_what_behind_london_attacks.html
The bombing of the London Underground was a false-flag operation designed to keep the West mired in war. Don't believe otherwise.
By Matt Hutaff Jul 7, 2005
Only one word sprang to mind when I heard about the bombings that claimed the lives of dozens of Londoners today – convenient.
Is there anything convenient in death, or in thousands of lives destroyed from catastrophe? No – and words cannot express the sorrow I feel for the men and women changed by today's events. But governments with skeletons in their closets have a great deal to gain from a national tragedy bolstered by "terrorism."
As I sit in my office today, I hear the whispers of co-workers now utterly convinced our war on terror must continue. Despite American and British involvement in the Middle East birthing wave after wave of rebel forces, the Bush doctrine is now justified in the minds of millions. Petty grievances such as the Downing Street Minutes, the President's flagging support and Karl Rove's treasonous outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame are unimportant. A shadowy conglomeration is out to kill us.
Sound familiar? It should – the same emotional ploy was used to great effect on Americans in the wake of September 11th. Question nothing, particularly your cries for vengeance or that nagging feeling in the back of your head. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Unlike four years ago, however, I refuse to accept that the attack on London was anything less than a false-flag operation designed to enrage Western "civilization" against the Middle East. Why? Because there is no reason for "terrorist" groups to attack England. As recently as this week, the Ministry of Defense announced that plans were being drafted that would pull British armed forces from the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. With the British effectively admitting they're throwing in the towel, the only motivation to stay could come from an attack that compels the forces to stay and fight "global terrorism."
Think about it. The attack only benefits empires desperate to maintain a foothold in the Middle East without further eroding public opinion. Will Parliament shrug their shoulders and push their soldiers into longer tours of duty because of this? Obviously it's too early to tell, but if that happens, insurgents and rebels will have lost more than they could have ever possibly gained in destroying part of the Underground.
Brian Kilmeade of Fox News agrees, claiming the sabotage "works to ... [the] Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together." It doesn't just make "terrorism" an American problem. It makes it a worldwide problem. The Number One problem.
No longer do we need to concern ourselves with two world leaders (who have spawned more worldwide terrorism than any fanatical religious organization) going unquestioned in their lies that started a war. We can cast off our sluggish economies, lack of freedoms and pitiful descent into draconian law. Terror is on the rise.
I feel like I'm sitting in my apartment watching the World Trade Center collapse all over again.
Everything is the same, right down to the previously unheard of Islamic group (The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe? Are you kidding me?) taking credit – even though the translation falls apart under scrutiny and the Q'uran is improperly cited. Considering the only Al Qaeda cell to ever be uncovered was a front for the Mossad, you'd think the perpetrators could at least come up with a clever new booga-booga name to grab headlines. Their arrogance is startling.
As is the ever-present Israeli connection, a staple among false flag operations. Before today's attack, the Israeli Embassy in London was notified an attack was forthcoming. As a result, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remained in his hotel room rather than head towards a nearby hotel where he was to address an economic summit.
The embassy denies it had any prior knowledge, of course, but the story has changed dramatically in the process. If, as they say, Netanyahu was not warned, how did he know to stay in his room? How did he know the danger was so severe that he dare not venture out of the hotel?
Oops! The story's changed again – here Netanyahu says that British police had warned the Israelis (but not the rest of the city?) of a pending attack. Scotland Yard denies this; Israel's reply was to say Netanyahu received his warning after the first blast. How? It was initially reported as a power surge for hours. What is being hidden here? And why isn't there an investigation into these obvious discrepancies? What makes Israel so damn special?
It's enough to make your head spin and your eyes cross with rage.
Regardless, I am making an appeal to Britons who are understandably wracked with grief at the moment – don't buy into the hatred the way we Americans did. Don't ignore the obvious evidence that this whole affair was orchestrated by your own government. Most importantly, don't let the deaths of the few, however tragic, plunge your nation into another fit of war and civic clampdowns.
Toying with your emotions is expected. Don't fall prey to ignorance. See the attack on your home for what it really is – a distraction that will keep your money, resources and troops mired in ceaseless battle for an ideology that betrays your democratic and civilized tenets.
Honor your dead with tears, not a cry for war or praise for a disgraced leader.
Canon Fodder is a weekly analysis of politics and society.
http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/0889_what_behind_london_attacks.html
Re: RE: Terrorist attack in L
don't think it is surprising that most will want to narrow down the guilty parties in this , just as they do in any crime/ murder.
Each nation that supported the Iraq mess , is on their target list ......according to a communique from at least one of the terrorist cells. The timing with G-8 conference might be just to add more drama to the act itself. What is interesting is that the "terror" groups are a lot more psychologically cognizent than many of the world leaders......particularly those that got involved with the bush crusade in Iraq. In that sense, they will continue to have the upper hand. Verbal condemnation means nothing to these groups. That is what they expect. It is the predictable response. As one intelligent analyst mentioned, the important thing is to work with more subtle strategies, that don't play into the terrorists hands and are just as unpredictable. The idea is to keep them off guard. That is the only way the innocents / potential victims can regain control again. This is why the "war" approach has been so off target and wrong. The terrorist groups expected nothing less than that from the US for eg. They have the US and its "allies" in Iraq psyched out much more effectively , than the other way around. A cowboy shoot em out mentality is totally outdated, and far too predictable.
If anyone had any doubts that bush's actions has caused more terrorism......they can be dispelled. Bush has played into their hands , creating chaos out of the original chaos and anger./resentment. As the same analyst mentioned: no one has truly openly addressed the cause of this problem. Unless that is addressed EFFECTIVELY, intelligently, inovatively, the cycle of violence will only be perpetuated. One does not "fight " terrorism by fostering anger, resentment , and hatred. In fact that is how one perpetuates it .
There were only two leaders at the G-8 that made anything that resembled INTELLIGENT remarks today. People can figure out for themselves , who these are. Hint: you can rule out Bush immediately. One can also rule out T.Blair .......although one can understand that he was shaken......but relying rhetoric , that is closely aligned to the bush rhetoric......does not indicate a great deal of insightful or intelligent awareness.
but yes, it was just a matter of time.
I think not said:
don't think it is surprising that most will want to narrow down the guilty parties in this , just as they do in any crime/ murder.
Each nation that supported the Iraq mess , is on their target list ......according to a communique from at least one of the terrorist cells. The timing with G-8 conference might be just to add more drama to the act itself. What is interesting is that the "terror" groups are a lot more psychologically cognizent than many of the world leaders......particularly those that got involved with the bush crusade in Iraq. In that sense, they will continue to have the upper hand. Verbal condemnation means nothing to these groups. That is what they expect. It is the predictable response. As one intelligent analyst mentioned, the important thing is to work with more subtle strategies, that don't play into the terrorists hands and are just as unpredictable. The idea is to keep them off guard. That is the only way the innocents / potential victims can regain control again. This is why the "war" approach has been so off target and wrong. The terrorist groups expected nothing less than that from the US for eg. They have the US and its "allies" in Iraq psyched out much more effectively , than the other way around. A cowboy shoot em out mentality is totally outdated, and far too predictable.
If anyone had any doubts that bush's actions has caused more terrorism......they can be dispelled. Bush has played into their hands , creating chaos out of the original chaos and anger./resentment. As the same analyst mentioned: no one has truly openly addressed the cause of this problem. Unless that is addressed EFFECTIVELY, intelligently, inovatively, the cycle of violence will only be perpetuated. One does not "fight " terrorism by fostering anger, resentment , and hatred. In fact that is how one perpetuates it .
There were only two leaders at the G-8 that made anything that resembled INTELLIGENT remarks today. People can figure out for themselves , who these are. Hint: you can rule out Bush immediately. One can also rule out T.Blair .......although one can understand that he was shaken......but relying rhetoric , that is closely aligned to the bush rhetoric......does not indicate a great deal of insightful or intelligent awareness.
but yes, it was just a matter of time.
RE: Terrorist attack in L
The false flag thing would explain the relatively low numbers of casualties, anyway.
The false flag thing would explain the relatively low numbers of casualties, anyway.
what is particularly interesting , not surprising, is that this comes when serious questions are being posed to the bush regime, his "ratings" are falling, etc. One might make the premise that the "terror" groups are working in sinc with the US politics......as they probably know that each attack , will get the sheeple back behind the warmonger leader. Terrorists want destruction/war..instability /chaos. they don't care much where, or who. Bush (with residual allies) is the man to give it to them.
so again........PATTERNS are very important as are correlations of the political atmosphere.
so again........PATTERNS are very important as are correlations of the political atmosphere.
Re: RE: Terrorist attack in London
Answer: try to read with some understanding of what is written. Or do you choose ignorance? I made no judgements regarding the victims. How twisted can you be to suggest I blame them. I do accuse Britain of invading a nation that was not a threat to them.
Hard-Luck Henry said:
Answer: try to read with some understanding of what is written. Or do you choose ignorance? I made no judgements regarding the victims. How twisted can you be to suggest I blame them. I do accuse Britain of invading a nation that was not a threat to them.
the operative question that remains now is: Will the US population rally around their criminal warmongering leader.....who was the instigator of the Iraq mess??? Or will they finally see the light and get rid of him??? Seems that Blair is on a shorter leash in Britain......but not short enough.
there now has to be (IMHO) a complete change in dynamics. One idea would be getting the UN REALLY involved in Iraq.-or take leadership)....having the UN call for assistance from as many nations as possible to help stabilize the nation , so that the first important step can be achieved. Stability. No American has any right condemning the UN now........as we have all seen what a bloody mess the US has made of things. The UN might not be ideal......but it is more representative of the world.....and can be more impartial.
In fact the US(G) has lost the right to condemn any nation or its gov't now. It speaks with a hollow but loud , voice now. It has shown itself for what it is and it is not an example to emulate by any stretch of the imagination. TOO MANY have died as a result of this US stupidity.......and a lot more will continue to die. The LAST thing Iraq needs is a "democracy" based on the US model. or with UN influence/interference.
How sad , that so many fell for the "them vs us" rhetoric and stopped examining the entire dynamic /process/pattern.
there now has to be (IMHO) a complete change in dynamics. One idea would be getting the UN REALLY involved in Iraq.-or take leadership)....having the UN call for assistance from as many nations as possible to help stabilize the nation , so that the first important step can be achieved. Stability. No American has any right condemning the UN now........as we have all seen what a bloody mess the US has made of things. The UN might not be ideal......but it is more representative of the world.....and can be more impartial.
In fact the US(G) has lost the right to condemn any nation or its gov't now. It speaks with a hollow but loud , voice now. It has shown itself for what it is and it is not an example to emulate by any stretch of the imagination. TOO MANY have died as a result of this US stupidity.......and a lot more will continue to die. The LAST thing Iraq needs is a "democracy" based on the US model. or with UN influence/interference.
How sad , that so many fell for the "them vs us" rhetoric and stopped examining the entire dynamic /process/pattern.
RE: Terrorist attack in L
Blair and his party did lose a lot of seats in the last British election. Presumably over the Iraq war.
Compare this to Bush who won a higher prescentage of the popular vote the second time round.
Yes, the British people have far less tolerance for shenanigans then the American people do. Unfortunately even the British people have too much tolerence.
Blair and his party did lose a lot of seats in the last British election. Presumably over the Iraq war.
Compare this to Bush who won a higher prescentage of the popular vote the second time round.
Yes, the British people have far less tolerance for shenanigans then the American people do. Unfortunately even the British people have too much tolerence.
RE: Terrorist attack in L
The British people didn't have much of a choice though. Their official opposition is even more pro-Bush and pro-Iraq.
There is more than a little evidence that if Paul Martin were PM instead of Jean Chretien when the illegal invasion started that we would be in much the same position.
The British people didn't have much of a choice though. Their official opposition is even more pro-Bush and pro-Iraq.
There is more than a little evidence that if Paul Martin were PM instead of Jean Chretien when the illegal invasion started that we would be in much the same position.
unfortunately I do not think this latest assault on civilians will lead to sobre review of Policies, but rather would be used to amplify the rheroric of the Reich to vilify Islam. If this is an attack by 'Islamic Extremists', let us remember that the action is from 'extremists' and should not be used as a pretext to punish other innocent People (such as the nation of Iran).
sadly, I think this is an accurate assessment. The amplification of the ritualistic "Reich" rhetoric has already begun. VERY concerning. .......as the entire texture of the US changes in front of us. The "Reich" has a powerful handle on its population ......fear. And now it will amplify the "security" safety issue ......while doing exactly what it wants in other areas. The "reich" will continue to "justify" its actions on the basis of "security". They have a population by the short hairs. The "terrorists" will most likely continue to operate in sinc. .....perpetuating the fear factor.
Re: RE: Terrorist attack in L
I agree; the guilty parties are the people who planted the bombs. No matter what you may think of Blair and/or Bush, we believe we are civilized people, and you cannot blame this on anyone other than the organizers/perpetrators.
To do otherwise is to join in that most modern pastime of Western life, BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE. Don't fall for it. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT blame anyone else.
London suffered for years at the hands of the IRA; I wish this "war on terror" bs was taken to Sinn Fein. Gerry Adams should be in prison. He is far, far more guilty than 99% of the people the US is holding; but NONE of that is relevant here.
I think not said:
I agree; the guilty parties are the people who planted the bombs. No matter what you may think of Blair and/or Bush, we believe we are civilized people, and you cannot blame this on anyone other than the organizers/perpetrators.
To do otherwise is to join in that most modern pastime of Western life, BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE. Don't fall for it. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT blame anyone else.
London suffered for years at the hands of the IRA; I wish this "war on terror" bs was taken to Sinn Fein. Gerry Adams should be in prison. He is far, far more guilty than 99% of the people the US is holding; but NONE of that is relevant here.
This just goes to show that we need to keep up the fight against terrorism. We must never cave in to the terrorists.
I hope the individuals responsible for this horrendous act of terrorism are brought to justice quickly.
Here is a prime example where the death penaly would be justly warranted.
I hope the individuals responsible for this horrendous act of terrorism are brought to justice quickly.
Here is a prime example where the death penaly would be justly warranted.
