Terrorist attack in London

[Vanni Fucci]

John Robson

 

[mrmom2]

F :evil: king Neocon .I'd like to take him back out to the forests of Barrie Thanks Vanni :wink:

 

[Scape]

How London bombings could have been staged: In 10 easy steps

1) Hire a Crisis Management firm to set up an exercise that parallels the terrorist attack you are going to carry out. Have them run the exercise at the precise locations and at the very same time as the attack. If at any stage of the attack your Arabs get caught, tell the police it was part of an exercise.

2) Hire four Arabs and tell them they're taking part in an important exercise to help defend London from terrorist attacks. Strap them with rucksacks filled with deadly explosives. Tell the Arabs the rucksacks are dummy explosives and wouldn't harm a fly.

3) Tell four Arabs to meet up at London Underground and disperse, each getting on a different train. Make sure Arabs meet in a location where you can get a good mug shot of them all on CCTV which you can later endlessly repeat to drooling masses on television.

4) While four Arabs are in London, plant explosives in their houses in Leeds. Plant some explosives in one of their cars in Luton for the police to later discover. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics on this one.

5) Before the bombings take place, make sure you warn any of your buddies who are scheduled to be anywhere near where the bombs go off. If this gets leaked to the press, just deny it.

6) 4th Arab goes out partying in London night before and ends up getting out of bed late. No worries, the 9/11 'hijackers' did the same thing but that didn't cause us a big problem. 4th Arab catches bus to see if other Arabs are waiting for him. 4th Arab starts hearing about explosions in the London Underground. 4th Arab comes to the realization that this he is being set up and freaks out. 4th Arab starts fiddling in his rucksack. 4th Arab sets bomb off and is blown up.

If you hired any additional Arabs and they also got wind of the set up, make sure tere are GPS locators in the rucksacks so you can have police snipers ready to kill them before they can blow the whistle.

7) After the bombs go off, put out a story for over an hour that the explosions are a simple electrical fault. This gives you cover time to make sure the lazy bus Arab is dead and any other hired Arabs who reneged are also dead. Make sure any CCTV footage that doesn't support your official story is either seized or destroyed.

8) A few hours after the bombings, have one of your boys post an 'Al-Qaeda statement' claiming responsibility. Don't worry about the whole 'misreferencing the Qu'ran' thing, these idiots don't have the attention spans to figure it out.

9) After you have made sure that all the Arabs are dead and you are managing the story accordingly, wait for four days until the police piece together the story and find the explosives you planted in Leeds and in the car in Luton. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics this time either. The time delay will convince the gullible public that a real investigation is taking place. Create a background of the hired Arabs being militant Muslims. The drooling masses, as was the case with the '9/11 hijackers,' will ignore stories of neighbours saying they were the quiet, educated types who liked children and playing sports.

BBC excerpt: One local resident described him as "a nice lad".

"He liked to play football, he liked to play cricket. I'm shocked."

Another resident said he was just a "normal kid" who played basketball and kicked a ball around.

10) Sit back and enjoy as Blair and his minions grandstand in front of television cameras about staying the course in the war on terror. The pay raise, extra agency funding, and power to strip more freedoms and liberties made the ten easy steps to staging a terrorist attack a worthwhile venture. The dozens of dead people were necessary collateral damage. This is a dirty war, we need to be less moral than the terrorists to defeat them.

And that's how the government staged the bombings in ten easy steps.

Granted, you can interchange different pieces of the puzzle. The bombers could be real terrorists that knew exactly what they were doing. All you would need to do is control the 'mastermind' behind the attack and make sure his boys carried out the job in the way you wanted. Voila.

 

[Nascar_James]

The folks in London (and the whole UK for that matter) would be wise to follow the US approach in general and promote a multiethnic society, but not a multicultural one.

All should be assimilated (whether they are newly arrived immigrants or citizens of that country born to immigrant parents).

 

[Jo Canadian]

All should be assimilated (whether they are newly arrived immigrants or citizens of that country born to immigrant parents).

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Terrorist attack in L

The folks in London should resist becoming one with the Borg.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: RE: Terrorist attack in L

The folks in London should resist becoming one with the Borg.

It's quite funny, the Borg in Star Trek were the Metaphor for the antithesis to american values. (their shows are saturated with the freedom, individuality, liberty stuff) Now it seems those values are doing an about-face with current attitudes.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Be Wiser Than Bush
Rami G. Khouri
July 14, 2005


Rami G. Khouri is editor at large of the Beirut-based Daily Star newspaper, published throughout the Middle East with the International Herald Tribune.

The terror attack in London last week is especially troubling because of three political dimensions, above and beyond the moral depravity of the criminal act. The first is the anticipated political response of the United Kingdom, the United States and other governments and societies that now define and lead the 'global war on terror.' The second is the frustrating, helpless, feeling among entire populations who sense that such attacks have moved from the realm of the occasional to that of the routine, with little seemingly that can be done to prevent them. The third is a widespread sense of moral and political detachment in much of the Arab-Asian-Islamic world, where perfunctory condemnations of such deeds are overwhelmed by the anticipation of where and when the next attack will come, even though it is likely to come in the Arab-Islamic world more than in the Western world.

These three dimensions are related to one another, so any policy that hopes to reduce or stop such terror attacks must address all three simultaneously, i.e., why are targets in specific countries being hit and what do the terrorists hope to achieve? What can be done to stop this, militarily, politically and in other fields? What is the balance in an effective counterterrorism strategy between foreign policies by Western governments and domestic policies by Arab-Asian governments and societies?

Tony Blair and the British people have an opportunity now to do that which George Bush failed to do after 9/11: diagnose the phenomenon of international criminal terrorism factually and correctly; identify its underlying motives and goals accurately; devise appropriate policies that can hope to reduce or even stop it; and implement an integrated, global strategic response to this menace. Blair and his European partners should learn from the American mistakes, and respond to terror with a comprehensive, rational, realistic and multi-sectoral strategy that would make us all—Americans, Arabs, Europeans, Asians—active participants in a true worldwide war against terror and its causes. The alternative is for us all to remain the helpless, befuddled, angry spectators and victims that we have become.

The initial response from American and British leaders has been understandable emotionally, but dangerous politically because it risks playing right into the hands of the terrorists and their goal of provoking a long-term war between civilizations. The three predominant responses we have seen from the U.K. and U.S. leaderships and others in their societies in recent days have been the stiff upper lip syndrome of getting on with life despite the terror, a determination to take the fight to the enemy in Iraq and elsewhere, and a refusal to allow the terrorists to threaten or destroy Western civilization and its freedom-based life values.

These three responses, though understandable psychologically, are a misguided catastrophe in global strategic terms because they will expand rather than reduce the terror problem, if we are to judge by the results of the policies since 9/11. Simply repeating views on the criminality and immorality of the terrorists, the grit of the British, and the determination of Americans and Britons to maintain their values and way of life is the basis for a failed policy.

It is safe to assume that some of the new generation of global terrorists have been inspired to their ghastly deeds by the recent Iraqi policies of the American and British governments, among others. Washington's heavy focus on largely unilateral military moves in Afghanistan and Iraq has generated an entire new cohort of terrorists, some of whom have now joined forces with Iraqis who are inspired by their own nationalism to fight foreign troops in their country.

The American- and British-led, Iraq-based counterterrorism strategy of recent years has achieved our collective worst nightmare: It has prompted an alliance—or at least a loose, ad hoc coalition—of Islamist jihadist terrorists, common criminals, genuine Iraqi and other Arab nationalists, and ordinary Arab and Asian citizens whose sense of indignity at their treatment by their own and foreign governments has pushed them over the edge of understandable anger into using terror as a desperate response.

The question I ask myself over and over again, as I travel throughout the Middle East and the West, is a simple but critical one: What happened in the course of the last several decades to give birth to waves of terrorists from the Arab-Asian region, targeting both their own societies and the West? Why has Arab-Asian society not done very much to delegitimize these killers and run them out of town? If we still do not—and, amazingly, we do not—have a consensus analysis of how and why ordinary citizens slowly become terrorists, we will not be able to implement a successful counter-terrorism strategy. Instead, we have terror in London, and widespread expectations of other attacks to follow.

The key issue, it seems to me, is whether the West and this region focus on the relatively small group of terrorists, or try instead to respond to the legitimate needs, grievances and aspirations of the hundreds of millions of Arabs and Asians who are the enabling environment from which the terrorists emerge. Yes, a very small number of crazed Islamist fanatics really do want to kill Crusaders, apostates and infidels simply because these Arab and Asian criminals feel threatened by Western values. Yet the overwhelming majority of Arabs, Asians, Muslims, and Middle Easterners reject such terrorist tactics, motivations and goals. The criminality of the terrorists since 9/11 has generated in return a peculiar combination of militarism and emotionalism from the United States, without a supporting foundation of rationalism or realism that positively engages the hundreds of millions of decent, ordinary citizens in the Arab-Asian world.

Terrorists can only be contained and put out of business when their own society delegitimizes and rejects them, which requires a more balanced combination of police and political actions, and punitive and preventive measures. Bush ignored this basic fact after 9/11 and chose the road of a counterproductive military strategy, based on faulty analysis in turn built on incomplete diagnosis. Blair now must make a similar decision on how to respond to the London attacks. Let us hope that he acts more intelligently and rationally than Bush did. The Arab-Asian-Islamic world, in particular, is anxious to join a genuine war against terror and the many demeaning forces that make it happen.

excellent article. Another tragedy that if handled wisely , smartly can be turned into an opportunity for more effective ways in countering the reason for terrorism in the first place. Much WISDOM, Intelligent strategy is called for. Bush blew it from the onset and inflamed the anger /cycle of violence even more. His simplistic ,unsophisticated rhetoric cannot even be taken seriously. It is only the simplist of mankind that follow the "FIGHT back " modality. .........or "fight " them in their territory so "we "don't have to fight them at home. The falacy of this last stupidy has proven itself via the London bombings. Sadly , so many USers simply don't "get it". They just react or pigeon hole people , in order to slanderize them.. Did the USers actually STOP THINKING at some point in all this???

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=9067254&src=eDialog/GetContent

two minutes respectful silence in Europe ......


( so where is the dignity in the US ....and CA too , to follow some respectful suit???? Reality is "we" are one world. )

 

[Twila]

RE: Terrorist attack in L

I think if the entire world had to observe 2 minutes of silence for all the atrocities in the world (after all you can't just pick 1 here or 1 there) the world would stop

I wonder why a moment of silence for these victims but never a moment of silence for...the friendly fire guys....the Iraqi children....or their mothers.....or palestinian children....or innocent isrealis......

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I wonder why a moment of silence for these victims but never a moment of silence for...the friendly fire guys....the Iraqi children....or their mothers.....or palestinian children....or innocent isrealis......

good point !!! or for all the Iraqis , Afgans killed.

(don't think the world would stop......with two minutes silence. Keeping one's mouth shut does not imply stopping working at your job :wink: In fact silence is an effective tool .......to calm a situation.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Terrorist attack in L

"Hey you, Muslim person. Wanna make a hundred pounds? You could use that kind of dough, with a new kid and all. We're running a terror drill, and all you gotta do is take this here harmless backpack with a fake bomb inside to work with you tomorrow, just to see if the subway guards catch you or not. Mum's the word, this is national security and all; you can't tell anyone!"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/london_exercise_video.html

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: Terrorist attack in L

I think if the entire world had to observe 2 minutes of silence for all the atrocities in the world (after all you can't just pick 1 here or 1 there) the world would stop

I wonder why a moment of silence for these victims but never a moment of silence for...the friendly fire guys....the Iraqi children....or their mothers.....or palestinian children....or innocent isrealis......

Thank you Twila. The answer is that the Iraqi children, the innocent dead, the widowed mothers in Iraq do not count as humans in the eyes of western governments. They are labeled as 3rd world countries yet their civilizations and knowledge extends thousands of years before the west. Good question though.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Terrorist attack in L

Open Call For FBI Players

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713051fbi1.html

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Terrorist attack in L

Does Anyone Really Believe This Horseshit?

I got an email with an interesting rumor going around London that just before the attacks, someone was trying to hire Muslims to play terrorists for a terror drill, to try to sneak onto the trains and buses with fake bombs to test out the security.

We know the terror drill was real. We know they were running the drill at the exact same stations the bombings actually occurred.

We know that the accused bombers don't fit the profile of men ready to die for Allah. Indeed it is reported that some of them were not particularly religious.

And we are faced with the strange claim that these men, one of whom had a new family, carried bombs set on timers yet stood there waiting for the bombs to explode.

This makes sense ONLY if they thought they were carrying fake bombs as part of a terror drill. This also explains the nervousness of the man on the bus who had probably just heard of the real explosions and was starting to suspect that the fake bomb he was carrying might not be fake after all.

"Hey you, Muslim person. Wanna make a hundred pounds? You could use that kind of dough, with a new kid and all. We're running a terror drill, and all you gotta do is take this here harmless backpack with a fake bomb inside to work with you tomorrow, just to see if the subway guards catch you or not. Mum's the word, this is national security and all; you can't tell anyone!"

http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20340

 

[mrmom2]

No Kidding Mog I smeel a buch of rats trying to save their sinking ship :wink:

 

[moghrabi]

No Kidding Mog I smeel a buch of rats trying to save their sinking ship :wink:

it has a smell of truth to it. If you visit some of the links I posted above, you will see it more clearly.

 

[mrmom2]

July 8, 2005; 5:30 AM ET: Just a few short hours before the first explosion ripped through London, there was a significant sell-off or “selling short” of the British Pound in the financial market. This activity took place absent of any economic news or other known market-driven factors that would sufficiently explain the sell off. This activity also occurred without the normal corresponding pricing action in the other major currency pairs. In summary, a large amount of GBP was sold to liquidate a “long position” and secure profits, or to take a “short position” to profit from an anticipated drop in the value of the British Pound. In either case, the market activity warrants further investigation

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Silence sends out message of defiance to terrorists

ALLAN LAING July 15 2005





DIGNIFIED and defiant, the people of Britain stood silent and as one yesterday to honour the victims of last Thursday's terrorist attacks.
Across the nation, everyday life came to a halt as millions paused to reflect upon the evil nature of the bombers and the profound loss inflicted by their actions. It was a silence that echoed around the world.
Those brief two minutes were devoted to kind thoughts for the 53 killed and the hundreds injured.
The mark of respect was not confined to the UK. Cities in the 25 European Union countries marked the two minutes, while across the Atlantic the three US states affected by the September 11 atrocities – New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia – offered their respect, support and condolences.
The silence roared loudest in the capital. The noontime chimes of Big Ben signalled the city to stop.
Under the central arch of Buckingham Palace, the Queen stood motionless. The only sound was a bugler playing the Last Post. Tony Blair marked the sombre moment in the garden of 10 Downing Street where he had been presenting bravery awards to police officers.
On London Underground, staff, many of them wearing black armbands, remembered the damage and the tragedy inflicted on their colleagues, their passengers, their city.
London's airports came to a standstill, taxis pulled over to the side of the road, and people stood still in the streets in silent tribute to those who, exactly a week ago, were touched by evil.
In Trafalgar Square, the scene of such joyful celebrations when London won the Olympics the day before the bombings, thousands of office workers and tourists joined dignitaries including John Prescott, deputy prime minister, Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, and Lord Coe, the Olympic hero.
Afterwards, Mr Livingstone said: "The remarkable unity showed by Londoners today is not only the best way to commemorate those who died, and to express our determination we will never change our life under the threat of terror, but is also our best defence against those who would attack us."
In Leeds, the city which was home to the suicide bombers, people of all faiths held a brief service in a city-centre square.
Shahid Malik, the local Labour MP, led a two-minute silence outside the home of Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the terrorists, in the Thornhill Lees area of Dewsbury.
Mr Malik said: "We hope we are sending out powerful messages to the loved ones of those who died. The know-ledge that our prayers are with them will, I hope, offer a small measure of comfort.
"At the same time, we send out an unequivocal message of defiance to those who inflame discord and incite hatred in our communities – their actions, rather than divide us have merely served to unite us.
"This silence must now be substituted by a noise storm designed to confront head on those who spout evil and extremism."
In Scotland, the 11.59am from Glasgow Central Station to London King's Cross pulled out exactly on time. A minute later, the busy concourse fell silent.
Ellen Allison, 60, from Hillington, said: "My son works for Thames Water in central London and my heart was in my mouth last Thursday when I heard the news.
"I stood in silence today and I prayed for the dead but I also thanked God my son wasn't harmed."
In the city's 15 Subway stations, all trains stopped.
Golfers competing in the Open Championship at St Andrews suspended play at noon and spectators paused to pay their respects.
Pope Benedict XVI prayed at his retreat in the Italian Alps as Italians observed the silence for the victims.
France's Bastille Day military parade, held under tight security, ended with Jacques Chirac standing at attention outside the presidential Elysee Palace as sirens sounded across Paris to observe the silence in solidarity with London.
DIGNIFIED and defiant, the people of Britain stood silent and as one yesterday to honour the victims of last Thursday's terrorist attacks.
Across the nation, everyday life came to a halt as millions paused to reflect upon the evil nature of the bombers and the profound loss inflicted by their actions. It was a silence that echoed around the world.
Those brief two minutes were devoted to kind thoughts for the 53 killed and the hundreds injured.
The mark of respect was not confined to the UK. Cities in the 25 European Union countries marked the two minutes, while across the Atlantic the three US states affected by the September 11 atrocities – New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia – offered their respect, support and condolences.
The silence roared loudest in the capital. The noontime chimes of Big Ben signalled the city to stop.
Under the central arch of Buckingham Palace, the Queen stood motionless. The only sound was a bugler playing the Last Post. Tony Blair marked the sombre moment in the garden of 10 Downing Street where he had been presenting bravery awards to police officers.
On London Underground, staff, many of them wearing black armbands, remembered the damage and the tragedy inflicted on their colleagues, their passengers, their city.
London's airports came to a standstill, taxis pulled over to the side of the road, and people stood still in the streets in silent tribute to those who, exactly a week ago, were touched by evil.
In Trafalgar Square, the scene of such joyful celebrations when London won the Olympics the day before the bombings, thousands of office workers and tourists joined dignitaries including John Prescott, deputy prime minister, Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, and Lord Coe, the Olympic hero.
Afterwards, Mr Livingstone said: "The remarkable unity showed by Londoners today is not only the best way to commemorate those who died, and to express our determination we will never change our life under the threat of terror, but is also our best defence against those who would attack us."
In Leeds, the city which was home to the suicide bombers, people of all faiths held a brief service in a city-centre square.
Shahid Malik, the local Labour MP, led a two-minute silence outside the home of Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the terrorists, in the Thornhill Lees area of Dewsbury.
Mr Malik said: "We hope we are sending out powerful messages to the loved ones of those who died. The know-ledge that our prayers are with them will, I hope, offer a small measure of comfort.
"At the same time, we send out an unequivocal message of defiance to those who inflame discord and incite hatred in our communities – their actions, rather than divide us have merely served to unite us.
"This silence must now be substituted by a noise storm designed to confront head on those who spout evil and extremism."
In Scotland, the 11.59am from Glasgow Central Station to London King's Cross pulled out exactly on time. A minute later, the busy concourse fell silent.
Ellen Allison, 60, from Hillington, said: "My son works for Thames Water in central London and my heart was in my mouth last Thursday when I heard the news.
"I stood in silence today and I prayed for the dead but I also thanked God my son wasn't harmed."
In the city's 15 Subway stations, all trains stopped.
Golfers competing in the Open Championship at St Andrews suspended play at noon and spectators paused to pay their respects.
Pope Benedict XVI prayed at his retreat in the Italian Alps as Italians observed the silence for the victims.
France's Bastille Day military parade, held under tight security, ended with Jacques Chirac standing at attention outside the presidential Elysee Palace as sirens sounded across Paris to observe the silence in solidarity with London.
DIGNIFIED and defiant, the people of Britain stood silent and as one yesterday to honour the victims of last Thursday's terrorist attacks.
Across the nation, everyday life came to a halt as millions paused to reflect upon the evil nature of the bombers and the profound loss inflicted by their actions. It was a silence that echoed around the world.
Those brief two minutes were devoted to kind thoughts for the 53 killed and the hundreds injured.
The mark of respect was not confined to the UK. Cities in the 25 European Union countries marked the two minutes, while across the Atlantic the three US states affected by the September 11 atrocities – New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia – offered their respect, support and condolences.
The silence roared loudest in the capital. The noontime chimes of Big Ben signalled the city to stop.
Under the central arch of Buckingham Palace, the Queen stood motionless. The only sound was a bugler playing the Last Post. Tony Blair marked the sombre moment in the garden of 10 Downing Street where he had been presenting bravery awards to police officers.
On London Underground, staff, many of them wearing black armbands, remembered the damage and the tragedy inflicted on their colleagues, their passengers, their city.
London's airports came to a standstill, taxis pulled over to the side of the road, and people stood still in the streets in silent tribute to those who, exactly a week ago, were touched by evil.
In Trafalgar Square, the scene of such joyful celebrations when London won the Olympics the day before the bombings, thousands of office workers and tourists joined dignitaries

'power' of silence. (can be used both ways)

 

[Jo Canadian]