Terminally ill 29-year-old woman plans to take her own life on Nov. 1

bluebyrd35

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Oooooooooooh, you're pretty cute there, Bluebyrd! Is the "corruption" causing the cancers or it is causing the body to weaken losing its defences against cancer? One more question - Are sickly people more cancer prone?
LOL Some of the most sickly seeming people outlast the healthy looking ones. One old aunt of husband's who was always unwell, lived to her 90's and her husband, a healthy looking farmer, died in his 60's Hard to tell these days.
 

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LOL Some of the most sickly seeming people outlast the healthy looking ones. One old aunt of husband's who was always unwell, lived to her 90's and her husband, a healthy looking farmer, died in his 60's Hard to tell these days.


Yep, I had an aunt who was bed ridden with a form of M.S. for well over 30 years live to 92.
 

SLM

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Indeed, part of why people should be allowed to have some help in that sort of situation. Botching a solo suicide attempt could only make things even worse. Not to mention very messy and traumatizing for whoever finds the person - alive or dead.

There is that but also when people are in a state where they can take matters into their own hands, they are still relatively healthy. I just think it would be far better if these people could that time, when they still have relative health, to enjoy with their friends and families. Let the end come from a lethal shot of morphine or whatever when it reaches that pre-determined point of their choosing, when the pain becomes intolerable.

What people don't ever want to talk about is that terminally ill people in hospitals and hospices are dying of starvation and thirst, because they can no longer swallow or keep food down. That is what non-intervention leads to.
 

Dixie Cup

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Aren't you assuming that she hasn't already investigated all the possibilities? She may well have and assessed the risks and then made her decision. Honestly, I don't dispute alternative treatments, I do think there are many out there that can do a lot of good (and some out there that are practiced by charlatans and scam artists too) but one thing that makes me wary is any 'doctor' using the word 'cure' along with 'stage 4 cancer'. Cancer does not get cured....cancer goes into remission.



Apparently not those under his care - they don't go into remission but are actually cured. Now how high his success rate is, I don't know. I just recently heard about his story (and other physicians who practice wholistic medicine (along with conventional medicine)
and who are often targets of the FDA. I don't know the full story, obviously, but I thought it was really interesting, for sure!


I understand that the FDA has taken this Texas Doctor to court several times despite him having produced survivors of his treatments to testify on his behalf. The fact that hundreds of individuals are well and were initially given only months to live or were literally on their death beds, but are still surviving after anywhere from 3 to 8 plus years after undergoing his treatments apparently is not relevant to the FDA..


Guess the pharma's have their influence (aka $$) in the FDA. Protecting consumers is one thing; rejecting treatments that might benefit consumers because there's no money in it is another.


There are those who go into remission had chemo and radiation only to have the cancer return more aggressively than before which happened to a friend of mine - she was in remission and, hopefully had conquered it but it came back so aggressively she died literally weeks afterwards.


The survivors of this doctor's treatments (apparently) have been actually "cured".


I have to admit though, that if I didn't have the alternatives, I would want to "go" my way, for sure and I wouldn't want anyone to suffer the consequences of my decision.


JMHO
 

SLM

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Apparently not those under his care - they don't go into remission but are actually cured. Now how high his success rate is, I don't know. I just recently heard about his story (and other physicians who practice wholistic medicine (along with conventional medicine)
and who are often targets of the FDA. I don't know the full story, obviously, but I thought it was really interesting, for sure!


I understand that the FDA has taken this Texas Doctor to court several times despite him having produced survivors of his treatments to testify on his behalf. The fact that hundreds of individuals are well and were initially given only months to live or were literally on their death beds, but are still surviving after anywhere from 3 to 8 plus years after undergoing his treatments apparently is not relevant to the FDA..


Guess the pharma's have their influence (aka $$) in the FDA. Protecting consumers is one thing; rejecting treatments that might benefit consumers because there's no money in it is another.


There are those who go into remission had chemo and radiation only to have the cancer return more aggressively than before which happened to a friend of mine - she was in remission and, hopefully had conquered it but it came back so aggressively she died literally weeks afterwards.


The survivors of this doctor's treatments (apparently) have been actually "cured".

By all means, I think every avenue should be explored fully. I just can't help but be wary of anyone claiming to 'cure' something like cancer. It's not just because health officials, cancer societies or pharma says so, but because anyone with any sort of knowledge base in biological or medical sciences leans away from it as well.


I have to admit though, that if I didn't have the alternatives, I would want to "go" my way, for sure and I wouldn't want anyone to suffer the consequences of my decision.


JMHO
Exactly. No one should have to endure consequences based solely on just what other people think they should do, particularly when we're really talking about people here who have a terminal illness. The end is coming, it's a certainty, people should have a say in how they want that end to come.
 

Twila

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That was really hard to watch.

The tightrope that she has to walk is so scary.
 

Sal

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if she still feels healthy, she has the right to extend her life

just as she does to take it when she feels it is right for her
 

Twila

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She's a brave woman.............. more moxie than I have!

I wouldn't say she's brave necessarily. She has no choice in this. She's showing integrity and dignity and it is heartbreaking to watch.

if she still feels healthy, she has the right to extend her life

just as she does to take it when she feels it is right for her

I agree. It was really hard to hear her talk about her fear of missing her opportunity. Opportunity. What a horrific way to have to describe that.
 

SLM

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I'm glad she's feeling well enough to spend some extra time with her family. I'm sure they will treasure that always.
 

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I wouldn't say she's brave necessarily. She has no choice in this. She's showing integrity and dignity and it is heartbreaking to watch.



I agree. It was really hard to hear her talk about her fear of missing her opportunity. Opportunity. What a horrific way to have to describe that.

agreed the use of the word opportunity makes it abundantly clear why people end it as early as they do

if one misses that opportunity, it's going to be a long drawn out agonizing death

I think people who can not understand another's need to do this, should have the "opportunity" to work in hospice
 

Twila

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I think people who can not understand another's need to do this, should have the "opportunity" to work in hospice

Wouldn't it be nice for them to also wear those moccasins for awhile? True empathy would be a common thing then.
 

Sal

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Wouldn't it be nice for them to also wear those moccasins for awhile? True empathy would be a common thing then.

yes but it will come


my neighbours wife died this week...she had Alzheimers and it was difficult to get her to eat so she was down to 80 pounds in the last few months. They have been married for over 65 years. He told me last summer before they moved to the retirement home that she was as beautiful today as when he met her back then the only difference being that he loved her more now. I have heard via her son that he asked the doctor: " why can't you just give us a pill so we can go out together"?

I thought that was so sad.
 

Twila

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yes but it will come


my neighbours wife died this week...she had Alzheimers and it was difficult to get her to eat so she was down to 80 pounds in the last few months. They have been married for over 65 years. He told me last summer before they moved to the retirement home that she was as beautiful today as when he met her back then the only difference being that he loved her more now. I have heard via her son that he asked the doctor: " why can't you just give us a pill so we can go out together"?

I thought that was so sad.

If I'd spent 65 year with my one and only love I think I would not want to be without them either. I can understand why he'd want to go with her. It's strangely beautiful as well as sad.