Terminally ill 29-year-old woman plans to take her own life on Nov. 1

[bluebyrd35]

There are alternatives out there for treatment that might save her life. Unfortunately, they're not covered by insurance which makes them really expensive. There's a doctor in Texas who has quite a good history of curing stage 4 brain cancer using wholistic medicine. It's too bad she's taken this route. Maybe by using (what's the term when you ask people to raise money for a cause)....anyway, if she could raise the funds to be sent to the clinic, she may well be able to save her life. She's far too young to give up yet.


JMHO

I do not think money was the problem. The diagnosis is. I understood waiting for funds or a cure was out of the question. She has very little time before any decision would be possible, never mind mounting a campaign for money.


However, if either you or anyone else wishes to do differently in the same situation, then it should be your choice...

 

[Sal]

The whole 'dying with dignity' issue is a really fine line for me, but it's one that I think needs to be out and in the open so that it leaves little to no doubt in anyone's mind that the choice being made is a carefully considered one. Just to be really clear, my position is one based upon those who have been given a terminal diagnosis. Where medical science is just not adept enough yet to reasonably prevent death from occurring, where the quality of that life and the unbearable pain associated with it's end is intolerable. It is about end of life care.

Do I wish a 29 year old woman could enjoy more time with her family, could take the time to explore as many options as possible? Of course I do. Who wouldn't? But until we reach a consensus on end of life care where we can be completely assured that once we reach a point where continued existence is completely intolerable (predetermined when we are of sound mind, a living will) and that assistance to end our suffering will be rendered, we are left forcing people to choose to end their existence early, when it can be done by their own hand.

We do this for our pets but we won't do it for our loved ones. And that is sickening.

yup!!

 

[JLM]

We do this for our pets but we won't do it for our loved ones. And that is sickening.

Should we even make that comparison?

 

[Sal]

Should we even make that comparison?

it speaks to compassion, no?

 

[JLM]

Cancer: Cure vs. Remission - Dr. Z's Medical Report

Complete remission means that there are no symptoms and no signs that can be identified to indicate the presence of cancer. However, even when a person is in remission, there may be microscopic collections of cancer cells that cannot be identified by current techniques. This means that even if a person is in remission, they may, at some future time, experience a recurrence of their cancer.

Partial remission means that a large percentage of the signs and symptoms of cancer are gone, but some still remain. Complete remission would therefore be better than partial remission because with partial remission the chances of recurrence are higher.

Doctors will sometimes refer to 5-year cure rate or a 10- or more year cure rate. What they really mean by this is a 5- or more year remission rate. The longer the remission time lasts, the greater the possibility that the cancer actually has been cured, but there are cases of cancer recurrence many, many years after remission begins. So if the doctor says there is a 95 percent 5-year cure/remission rate for a particular cancer, it means that after five years, 95 percent of people with that cancer will still be in remission (meaning that you have an extremely high likelihood of not having a recurrence for at least five years). With people living longer and longer, doctors can now often give remission rates for 10, 15 or even 20 years. In many ways, the approach to most cancer treatment is to make it a chronic disease that lasts for many years.

So can we ever really talk about a cancer cure? In general, the answer is no

I'm probably way out of date on this matter but I remember back in the day five years was the benchmark, when passed, you were considered cured.

 

[Sal]

I'm probably way out of date on this matter but I remember back in the day five years was the benchmark, when passed, you were considered cured.

yes but now we know more because we have had the opportunity to observe it for longer and longer time periods due to our longevity

 

[SLM]

Should we even make that comparison?

You mean that we don't want the dog to suffer but that grandma's suffering is just fine? Probably don't want to make that comparison if one is unwilling to acknowledge that we are forcing people who do not want to endure suffering at the end of their life to endure it.

By the way, if someone chooses to go out without such intervention, more power to them. It would be their choice, I just think those who don't wish to should have a choice as well.

 

[JLM]

yes but now we know more because we have had the opportunity to observe it for longer and longer time periods due to our longevity

Perhaps too, as our world gets more corrupted, more different types of cancer are being discovered and emerging.

 

[Sal]

Perhaps too, as our world gets more corrupted, more different types of cancer are being discovered and emerging.

yes, chemical mutation....and our food has been tampered with also

BUT

we also live longer so there is that juxtaposed with the chemicals which have been introduced into the food right after the war essentially

for instance Britain did a study in the 50's right after we started introducing anti-biotics into the animals which was in the 40's....they concluded this would not be smart long term although there was short term gain...it was dismissed (tin foil hat brigade)...NOW we are just beginning to see the results of that introduction

also as people live longer and the immune system breaks down further, the likelihood of developing cancer increases exponentially

 

[Twila]

Just to be clear, brain cancer isn't 1 single type of cancer. So someone somewhere may have had success treating A type of brain cancer.

Cancer affects the cells. Depending on the types of cells it effects/turns cancerous will determine what effects cancer will have on you and your body and the type of treatement prescribed. that's why not all cancers are treated the same. Different cells replicate at different speeds but cancer cells can replicate themselves like they're on meth.

Cancer names are given based on the primary site the cancer started in. If the cancer from a breast cell travels to the lungs, its' still breast cancer. Because cells in the body are specific to their site and that is what causes problems in cancer that travels the body.

That's why those "cures cancer" stories about fruit, cannibis oil, etc are all lies. there is currently no such medicine that will target only cancerous cells and leave the bystander cells alone. Although I've read some articles that show hope in cell targeted delivery systems with cell targeting medicine. but it's a way off still.

This is a list of primary cancers that can effect the brain, and brain stem.

Anaplastic
Astrocytoma (grade III glioma)
Astrocytoma (grade II glioma)
Brainstem Glioma
Ependymoma
Gangliogliomas
Ganglioneuromas
Glioblastoma (grade IV glioma)
Glioma
Juvenile Pilocytic Astrocytoma (JPA)
Low-grade Astrocytoma (LGA)
Medulloblastomas
Mixed Gliomas
Oligodendroglioma
Optic Nerve Gliomas
Pilocytic Astrocytoma (grade I glioma)
Primitive Neuroectodermal (PNET)
Acoustic Neuroma (vestibular schwannoma)
Acromegaly
Adenoma
Chondrosarcomas
Chordomas
Craniopharyngiomas
Epidermoid Tumors
Glomus Jugulare Tumors
Infratentorial Meningiomas
Meningiomas
Pituitary Adenomas
Pituitary Tumor
Rathke's Cleft Cyst
Vestibular Schwannoma
Brain Metastasis
Metastatic Brain Tumor (Brain Cancer from other organs)
Brain cysts of all types
Choroid Plexus Papillomas
CNS lymphoma
Colloid Cyst
Cystic Tumors
Dermoid Tumor
Germinoma
Lymphoma
Nasal Carcinomas
Naso-pharyngeal tumors
Pineal Tumors
Pineoblastoma
Pineocytoma
Supratentorial Meningiomas
Vascular Tumors
Astrocytomas
Ependymoma
Meningiomas
Schwannomas

 

[Sal]

Just to be clear, brain cancer isn't 1 single type of cancer. So someone somewhere may have had success treating A type of brain cancer.

Cancer affects the cells. Depending on the types of cells it effects/turns cancerous will determine what effects cancer will have on you and your body and the type of treatement prescribed. that's why not all cancers are treated the same. Different cells replicate at different speeds but cancer cells can replicate themselves like they're on meth.

Cancer names are given based on the primary site the cancer started in. If the cancer from a breast cell travels to the lungs, its' still breast cancer. Because cells in the body are specific to their site and that is what causes problems in cancer that travels the body.

That's why those "cures cancer" stories about fruit, cannibis oil, etc are all lies. there is currently no such medicine that will target only cancerous cells and leave the bystander cells alone. Although I've read some articles that show hope in cell targeted delivery systems with cell targeting medicine. but it's a way off still.

This is a list of primary cancers that can effect the brain, and brain stem.

Anaplastic
Astrocytoma (grade III glioma)
Astrocytoma (grade II glioma)
Brainstem Glioma
Ependymoma
Gangliogliomas
Ganglioneuromas
Glioblastoma (grade IV glioma)
Glioma
Juvenile Pilocytic Astrocytoma (JPA)
Low-grade Astrocytoma (LGA)
Medulloblastomas
Mixed Gliomas
Oligodendroglioma
Optic Nerve Gliomas
Pilocytic Astrocytoma (grade I glioma)
Primitive Neuroectodermal (PNET)
Acoustic Neuroma (vestibular schwannoma)
Acromegaly
Adenoma
Chondrosarcomas
Chordomas
Craniopharyngiomas
Epidermoid Tumors
Glomus Jugulare Tumors
Infratentorial Meningiomas
Meningiomas
Pituitary Adenomas
Pituitary Tumor
Rathke's Cleft Cyst
Vestibular Schwannoma
Brain Metastasis
Metastatic Brain Tumor (Brain Cancer from other organs)
Brain cysts of all types
Choroid Plexus Papillomas
CNS lymphoma
Colloid Cyst
Cystic Tumors
Dermoid Tumor
Germinoma
Lymphoma
Nasal Carcinomas
Naso-pharyngeal tumors
Pineal Tumors
Pineoblastoma
Pineocytoma
Supratentorial Meningiomas
Vascular Tumors
Astrocytomas
Ependymoma
Meningiomas
Schwannomas

jesus 8O

 

[WLDB]

Should we even make that comparison?

Why not? It is more or less the same issue.

 

[Nuggler]

jesus 8O

Oy!

Had one friend die of brain cancer, one of stomach cancer, and one who shot himself when he discovered he had a form of cancer which promised to be long, lingering, and painful.

none fun.

 

[SLM]

Oy!

Had one friend die of brain cancer, one of stomach cancer, and one who shot himself when he discovered he had a form of cancer which promised to be long, lingering, and painful.

none fun.

No, none fun.

And surely we can do better than reducing people to shooting themselves when diagnosed with a terminal illness.

 

[JLM]

jesus 8O

Amazing, isn't she?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Perhaps too, as our world gets more corrupted, more different types of cancer are being discovered and emerging.

LOL......So it is corruption that is causing more and more vicious cancers?? Now is that of people or just people's corruption of the earth??? If the latter, time to make abortion very available and perhaps offer a cash bonus for those who go for it. .

 

[JLM]

LOL......So it is corruption that is causing more and more vicious cancers?? Now is that of people or just people's corruption of the earth??? If the latter, time to make abortion very available and perhaps offer a cash bonus for those who go for it. .

Oooooooooooh, you're pretty cute there, Bluebyrd! Is the "corruption" causing the cancers or it is causing the body to weaken losing its defences against cancer? One more question - Are sickly people more cancer prone?

 

[Sal]

Oooooooooooh, you're pretty cute there, Bluebyrd! Is the "corruption" causing the cancers or it is causing the body to weaken losing its defences against cancer? One more question - Are sickly people more cancer prone?

hm, that's a good question

 

[Twila]

Oooooooooooh, you're pretty cute there, Bluebyrd! Is the "corruption" causing the cancers or it is causing the body to weaken losing its defences against cancer? One more question - Are sickly people more cancer prone?

It's not our defense against cancer that is compromised. It's that our cells, our personal DNA in our cells is replicating and duplicating and making errors. Our very DNA. That's scary.

cell is continuously receiving messages, both from its own genes and from other cells. Some tell it to grow and multiply, others tell it to stop growing and rest, or even to die. If there are enough 'grow' messages, the next stage of the cell's life starts. In a cancer cell, the messages to grow may be altered, or the messages to stop growing or to die may be missing. The cell then begins to grow uncontrollably and divide too often.

How long do cancer cells live for?

Every time a normal cell divides, the ends of its chromosomes become shorter. Once they have worn down, the cell dies and is replaced. Cancer cells cheat this system - they retain their long chromosomes by continually adding bits back on. This process allows cancer cells to live forever. Cells from Henrietta Lacks, an American woman who was diagnosed with cervical cancer in 1951, are still growing. They are used in research laboratories all over the world, many years following her death.

Check out this link:

How do healthy cells become cancerous?

 

[WLDB]

And surely we can do better than reducing people to shooting themselves when diagnosed with a terminal illness.

Indeed, part of why people should be allowed to have some help in that sort of situation. Botching a solo suicide attempt could only make things even worse. Not to mention very messy and traumatizing for whoever finds the person - alive or dead.