yep, its the ridiculous outrage that has caused more people to seek the "sacred" cartoon! :wink:
...death to comics :twisted:
Tensions rise in Mideast over Cartoons
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yep, its the ridiculous outrage that has caused more people to seek the "sacred" cartoon! :wink:
...death to comics :twisted:
Straw attacks 'cartoon' publication
3rd February 2006
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has launched a fierce attack on the decision by some media outlets to republish the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad.
The images first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, depicting Muhammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, and another showing him saying that paradise was running out of virgins.
Media organisations - including the BBC, Channel 4 and ITV - as well as several European newspapers showed the controversial drawings, some with defiant headlines. British newspapers did NOT publish the images.
The cartoons have caused outrage across the Muslim community as Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet to prevent idolatry.
Danish products have been boycotted in the Middle East while angry demonstrations have taken place throughout the region.
Muslim demonstrators in Britain are due to meet at the Regent's Park mosque in central London before marching to the Danish embassy in Sloane Square.
A further protest will be held outside the Danish embassy in London, organised by the Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Mr Straw said: "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that, but there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory. I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong."
But Mr Straw praised the British media for showing "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" in its approach to the issue. Mr Straw continued: "There are taboos in every religion. We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation."
The BBC defended its use of the images and said it used them in its news output to provide context and explanation. "We are reporting the controversy over the cartoons in our news output to give audiences an understanding of the strong feelings evoked by the story," a spokesman said.
dailymail.co.uk
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I think the Danes were wrong to publish these pictures of Mohammed.
According to the Muslim religion, it is forbidden to hand draw pictures of people or animals, so printing a hand-drawn photo of Mohammed in a newspaper is not a very good idea.
Free speech is one thing - but using it to provoke Muslim outrage worldwide is another.
I've noticed that these photos were printed in newspapers in Denmark, France, Germany, Italy and Holland, but NOT Britain, the world's oldest democracy. Continental countries just haven't got the hang of free speech yet.
But now they are suffering. The Danes are having their goods boycotted in shops in the Middle East. Muslims are calling for the "Death of Danes." The British chose not to publish the cartoons and so we're okay.
3rd February 2006
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has launched a fierce attack on the decision by some media outlets to republish the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad.
The images first appeared in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, depicting Muhammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, and another showing him saying that paradise was running out of virgins.
Media organisations - including the BBC, Channel 4 and ITV - as well as several European newspapers showed the controversial drawings, some with defiant headlines. British newspapers did NOT publish the images.
The cartoons have caused outrage across the Muslim community as Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet to prevent idolatry.
Danish products have been boycotted in the Middle East while angry demonstrations have taken place throughout the region.
Muslim demonstrators in Britain are due to meet at the Regent's Park mosque in central London before marching to the Danish embassy in Sloane Square.
A further protest will be held outside the Danish embassy in London, organised by the Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Mr Straw said: "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that, but there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory. I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong."
But Mr Straw praised the British media for showing "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" in its approach to the issue. Mr Straw continued: "There are taboos in every religion. We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation."
The BBC defended its use of the images and said it used them in its news output to provide context and explanation. "We are reporting the controversy over the cartoons in our news output to give audiences an understanding of the strong feelings evoked by the story," a spokesman said.
dailymail.co.uk
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I think the Danes were wrong to publish these pictures of Mohammed.
According to the Muslim religion, it is forbidden to hand draw pictures of people or animals, so printing a hand-drawn photo of Mohammed in a newspaper is not a very good idea.
Free speech is one thing - but using it to provoke Muslim outrage worldwide is another.
I've noticed that these photos were printed in newspapers in Denmark, France, Germany, Italy and Holland, but NOT Britain, the world's oldest democracy. Continental countries just haven't got the hang of free speech yet.
But now they are suffering. The Danes are having their goods boycotted in shops in the Middle East. Muslims are calling for the "Death of Danes." The British chose not to publish the cartoons and so we're okay.
Censorship
Oh lovely - I can see it now - a whole Bureaucracy - with a Minister of What's Happenin Now....and a committee comprised of every nation represented living in each country telling us how to talk.
Think of all the wealth the attorneys will accrue specializing in what is appropriate and what is not...and the pols voting annually what is allowed and what is not....to update the PC Rules.
I'll take hurt feelings over censorship any day - it's a can of worms - and a fools' road to wander down. We'll all be packing "What's OK" manuals and tip toeing around each other.
And saddest of all.....humor will be forever banned because someone is always the topic of humor. Even blondes.
Solution???? How about decency, respect for others and common sense. Shouldn't need a government telling us how to think or speak...we aren't robots....
Oh lovely - I can see it now - a whole Bureaucracy - with a Minister of What's Happenin Now....and a committee comprised of every nation represented living in each country telling us how to talk.
Think of all the wealth the attorneys will accrue specializing in what is appropriate and what is not...and the pols voting annually what is allowed and what is not....to update the PC Rules.
I'll take hurt feelings over censorship any day - it's a can of worms - and a fools' road to wander down. We'll all be packing "What's OK" manuals and tip toeing around each other.
And saddest of all.....humor will be forever banned because someone is always the topic of humor. Even blondes.
Solution???? How about decency, respect for others and common sense. Shouldn't need a government telling us how to think or speak...we aren't robots....
[/quote]#juan said:
#Juan
Aw....we'll get through it.... too much common sense floating around.... forums are a great place to hash it around tho.
Re: RE: Tensions rise in Mideast over Cartoons
I'm sure Darwin is spinning in his grave right about now.
Blackleaf said:
I'm sure Darwin is spinning in his grave right about now.
RE: Tensions rise in Mide
I am reminded of the Corner Gas episode (Ruby Newsday) from this season when Lacy, starts a newsletter, and Brent illustrates a cartoon for it. People in town start finding ways to be insulted with each one, by reading in much more than was intended and taking personal offence.
In the end he draws a tribute pictures. "It's not really funny". No more cartoons for Brent...
I am reminded of the Corner Gas episode (Ruby Newsday) from this season when Lacy, starts a newsletter, and Brent illustrates a cartoon for it. People in town start finding ways to be insulted with each one, by reading in much more than was intended and taking personal offence.
In the end he draws a tribute pictures. "It's not really funny". No more cartoons for Brent...
This could almost be a separate topic but I felt it should be here.
The madness has reached the overflow mark. In most of the civilised world, the embassies are safe haven for our diplomats. Is it a coincidence that the only two times embassies have been stormed in my memory, it has happened in Arab/Muslim countries.
Embassies set ablaze over caricature
Last Updated Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:05:45 EST
CBC News
Protests over editorial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad turned violent Saturday in the Syrian capital as demonstrators set fire to the Danish, Chilean and Swedish embassies.
Hundreds of people in Damascus stormed the building, which houses all three embassies, to denounce the satirical depictions of the Prophet that appeared in a Danish newspaper.
Firefighters try to put out flames after demonstrators stormed the Danish Embassy in Damascus and set fire to it. (AP photo)
The protesters also threw stones at the building, shattering its windows, the Reuters news agency reported
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/04/cartoon-controversy060204.html
The madness has reached the overflow mark. In most of the civilised world, the embassies are safe haven for our diplomats. Is it a coincidence that the only two times embassies have been stormed in my memory, it has happened in Arab/Muslim countries.
Embassies set ablaze over caricature
Last Updated Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:05:45 EST
CBC News
Protests over editorial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad turned violent Saturday in the Syrian capital as demonstrators set fire to the Danish, Chilean and Swedish embassies.
Hundreds of people in Damascus stormed the building, which houses all three embassies, to denounce the satirical depictions of the Prophet that appeared in a Danish newspaper.
Firefighters try to put out flames after demonstrators stormed the Danish Embassy in Damascus and set fire to it. (AP photo)
The protesters also threw stones at the building, shattering its windows, the Reuters news agency reported
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/04/cartoon-controversy060204.html
Honestly, I am tired of the deference shown by the west in the face of intolerance and ignorance.
I think every newspaper in the free world should print the cartoons on their front page on a specific date.
I think every newspaper in the free world should print the cartoons on their front page on a specific date.
RE: Tensions rise in Mide
They are essentially proving the satirical comics to be off the mark.
Satire usually uses elements of exaggeration, and these cartoons are no exaggeration at all.
They are essentially proving the satirical comics to be off the mark.
Satire usually uses elements of exaggeration, and these cartoons are no exaggeration at all.
Cartoons in a very precise way can also expose hypocrisy and idiocy. It’s easy to just dismiss these cartoons as blasphemous. These cartoons hit home. In Syria and a lot of the other parts of the Arab world where there is total political and sexual repression Islam is simply a religion which promises to fulfill erotic fantasies if they kill infidels. They are on a jihad to get laid. This to me is why those 4 guys blew up the trains and bus in London and looked so happy to be doing it. They were off to get their virgins. Now you have cartoons poking fun at this belief and kaboom off go their hormones.
Curious. The virgins story has been floating around for a long time. Do people really believe that?
Durgan.
Durgan.
Durgan
You get my winner of the week sentence (not that it means anything and is worth no monetary compensation, not even a plastic replica the Queen)..but thanks for the laugh.
They are on a jihad to get laid!
You get my winner of the week sentence (not that it means anything and is worth no monetary compensation, not even a plastic replica the Queen)..but thanks for the laugh.
They are on a jihad to get laid!
the British Government is not alone in the attack against the publishing of these cartoons. We have the Americans on our side -
Which is no surpise. The British and Americans are fighting a War on Terror. The last thing they need is some little European country f**king everything us by making Muslims hate us even more.
How can causing MORE Muslim hatred and violence by publishing the cartoons be good for the War on Terror?
Which is no surpise. The British and Americans are fighting a War on Terror. The last thing they need is some little European country f**king everything us by making Muslims hate us even more.
How can causing MORE Muslim hatred and violence by publishing the cartoons be good for the War on Terror?
RE: Tensions rise in Mide
I'm disappointed that the US and the UK have come out in the manner they have. They should be sticking up for freedom of the press first and foremost.
I'm disappointed that the US and the UK have come out in the manner they have. They should be sticking up for freedom of the press first and foremost.
Excellent point Blackleaf...
I am not certain we can include the American press in those who care about the war on terror, other than it gets more circulation than they should be able to attract....
Witness the nasty cartoon of the quad amputee they had no problem publishing - and the daily / nightly stories of the failed
U.S. invasion and intervention in Iraq.... and the death count....
The American government may not be for it, but the American press love it.. CNN this very morning was foaming over in glee at the parade of outraged Islamics in Denmark. It can't get any better than this for news agencies.
I have no doubt their eye is on the prize money not the insensitivity of it all.
BTW thank you for the U.K. wonderful backup and support.
I am not certain we can include the American press in those who care about the war on terror, other than it gets more circulation than they should be able to attract....
Witness the nasty cartoon of the quad amputee they had no problem publishing - and the daily / nightly stories of the failed
U.S. invasion and intervention in Iraq.... and the death count....
The American government may not be for it, but the American press love it.. CNN this very morning was foaming over in glee at the parade of outraged Islamics in Denmark. It can't get any better than this for news agencies.
I have no doubt their eye is on the prize money not the insensitivity of it all.
BTW thank you for the U.K. wonderful backup and support.
Virtual Burlesque said:
Time to refute some of this.
1) The cartoons were not published in a Muslim Mid-East state, but in a Secular Western state. So it would be more like slaughtering cows in North America, then letting India know about it. Wait! That's completely okay!!
2) Should anyone set up birth control Kisosks in the Vatican, they would probably raise some eybrows and be asked to leave. Then they Pope would command young Catholics to suicide-bomb Planned Parenthood buildings and...oh wait. That never happens. Strange
3)Yeah, because when those legions of fairies descend on a major American city the infuriated citizens will take up arms and... grumble. Possibly stay inside that day and watch a football game. They would not invade the Embassy of Homonia or publicly be-head captured hairdressers and clothing designers.
I don't think many people really see the message behind the most offensive of the cartoons. What I see is a killing device, a bomb, concealed in the image of Muhammed. Alluding to ... I don't know... say the terrorist practice of murderers justifying their actions by wrapping themselves up in their religion.
When you look at the image, your brain immediately tells you "Hey! Wait a second! That bomb doesn't belong there!"
No. No it doesn't.
I would say the Americans and the British can't be much less popular on the Arab street in any case. Announcing their opposition to the cartoons was a bit of anti-brinkmanship to save what face they have left.
I'm a bit puzzled that the Chilean embassy was burn't. I can only assume that it was next door to the others and was merely collateral damage. As far as I know Chile would have been "innocent" in these matters.
I'm a bit puzzled that the Chilean embassy was burn't. I can only assume that it was next door to the others and was merely collateral damage. As far as I know Chile would have been "innocent" in these matters.
Re: RE: Tensions rise in Mide
They haven't supported it because they are probably thinking of the reprisals. The US and UK are on the ground and can have civilians kidnapped and have their heads chopped off. What will France lose? Wine being poured down the drain?
Toro said:
They haven't supported it because they are probably thinking of the reprisals. The US and UK are on the ground and can have civilians kidnapped and have their heads chopped off. What will France lose? Wine being poured down the drain?