Ten Reasons I am No Longer a Leftist

[Angstrom]

Better do some reading sonny. Turdo did more damage to this country than all other PMs combined.

What damaged are you talking about? We have every government service known to humanity.

As far as I'm concerned we have one of the most successful government in the world.
Please explain to me what government service you are missing?

Oh! I get it , your complaint is we have to much government services. Our governments is to good . That's your complaint?
/face palm.

If where to good for you then please move away to a worst country. You have plenty of choices to pick from.

 

[captain morgan]

What damaged are you talking about? We have every government service known to humanity.

Bingo

 

[Colpy]

It's well known he passed more laws in his time in services then any other prime minister.
By a land slide.

Even if he didn't contribute directly to everything I mentioned, he did contribute the most as a single person in how great Canada is today.

Are you saying Canada is not the greatest place on earth? Cause if you are your a spoiled brat.

No, I am saying Canada is a great nation DESPITE Pierre Trudeau.

Pierre Trudeau was the WORST Prime Minister in the country's history.

David Frum: The disastrous legacy of Pierre Trudeau | National Post

 

[taxslave]

What damaged are you talking about? We have every government service known to humanity.

As far as I'm concerned we have one of the most successful government in the world.
Please explain to me what government service you are missing?

Oh! I get it , your complaint is we have to much government services. Our governments is to good . That's your complaint?
/face palm.

If where to good for you then please move away to a worst country. You have plenty of choices to pick from.

You think the NEP was good for the country? How about ramming bilingualism down our throats?

 

[captain morgan]

Some people gravitate towards a nanny-state.

They need an overseer to tell them when to get up, what to do, what to eat and when to sleep... Removes any questions and responsibility from their miserable little lives

 

[Sal]

Some people gravitate towards a nanny-state.

They need an overseer to tell them when to get up, what to do, what to eat and when to sleep... Removes any questions and responsibility from their miserable little lives

why do you have to put a negative spin on it...why can't everyone share...

why does it have to be those who want to share need an overseer? I don't need an overseer but I would like hungry kids to be fed, the sick to be cared for, the homeless to be sheltered, how does that make me a terrible person not wanting any responsibly for my miserable little life?

Why does someone who needs a hand up become less than human by needing a hand up?

I am truly curious as those who lean so far right...why do they stay in a country (best country in the world) where we do care for each other...and yes they want to take it all away.

What would you like to see removed; our health care, EI welfare...what else?

 

[pgs]

why do you have to put a negative spin on it...why can't everyone share...

why does it have to be those who want to share need an overseer? I don't need an overseer but I would like hungry kids to be fed, the sick to be cared for, the homeless to be sheltered, how does that make me a terrible person not wanting any responsibly for my miserable little life?

Why does someone who needs a hand up become less than human by needing a hand up?

I am truly curious as those who lean so far right...why do they stay in a country (best country in the world) where we do care for each other...and yes they want to take it all away.

What would you like to see removed; our health care, EI welfare...what else?

Nope all those well paid administrators of said programs . It is not in their best interests to have happy healthy employed people .

 

[captain morgan]

why do you have to put a negative spin on it...why can't everyone share...

why does it have to be those who want to share need an overseer? I don't need an overseer but I would like hungry kids to be fed, the sick to be cared for, the homeless to be sheltered, how does that make me a terrible person not wanting any responsibly for my miserable little life?

Why does someone who needs a hand up become less than human by needing a hand up?

I am truly curious as those who lean so far right...why do they stay in a country (best country in the world) where we do care for each other...and yes they want to take it all away.

What would you like to see removed; our health care, EI welfare...what else?

The above commentary that you quoted was directed at the actions and resulting harm engaged by Pierre Trudeau. His legacy was highly successful in promoting a system that favoured hand outs over 'hand ups'. The result was the provision of a nanny-state that would see to your every need, whim and fancy

As far as sharing is concerned, we are still paying down the (very expensive) debt that PET amassed to buy the vote (big debt was how 'sharing' was generated back then)... That's part of the legacy is that even though the old crone has been out of gvt for decades, 2 generations (with more to come) are sharing in the immediate gratification that was developed by PET and increased under all other gvts.

Let's also not forget that we have multiple systems of legislated sharing in the form of Fed, Prov and Muni taxes that also incorporate 'progressive sharing' in the form of higher rates for those that have increasingly more income... Not to forget, PST's and GST on top of fees, licensing, permitting... To top it off, there is significant pressures in the charity industry to make up for shortfalls that the societal systems do not cover.

It seems to me that sharing insinuates that there is a bilateral benefit (sometimes tangible, sometimes intangible).. In the case of Canada (especially PET), it was a 1-way, never-ending, legislated obligation that only grew over time... Does this describe the definition of 'sharing' to you?

.. So yes, as far as PET is concerned and the negative spin, the answer is yes - PET earned that spin and our entire nation is poorer today because of it

 

[Walter]

The above commentary that you quoted was directed at the actions and resulting harm engaged by Pierre Trudeau. His legacy was highly successful in promoting a system that favoured hand outs over 'hand ups'. The result was the provision of a nanny-state that would see to your every need, whim and fancy

As far as sharing is concerned, we are still paying down the (very expensive) debt that PET amassed to buy the vote (big debt was how 'sharing' was generated back then)... That's part of the legacy is that even though the old crone has been out of gvt for decades, 2 generations (with more to come) are sharing in the immediate gratification that was developed by PET and increased under all other gvts.

Let's also not forget that we have multiple systems of legislated sharing in the form of Fed, Prov and Muni taxes that also incorporate 'progressive sharing' in the form of higher rates for those that have increasingly more income... Not to forget, PST's and GST on top of fees, licensing, permitting... To top it off, there is significant pressures in the charity industry to make up for shortfalls that the societal systems do not cover.

It seems to me that sharing insinuates that there is a bilateral benefit (sometimes tangible, sometimes intangible).. In the case of Canada (especially PET), it was a 1-way, never-ending, legislated obligation that only grew over time... Does this describe the definition of 'sharing' to you?

.. So yes, as far as PET is concerned and the negative spin, the answer is yes - PET earned that spin and our entire nation is poorer today because of it

Amen.

 

[Angstrom]

Some people gravitate towards a nanny-state.

They need an overseer to tell them when to get up, what to do, what to eat and when to sleep... Removes any questions and responsibility from their miserable little lives

It's a government by the people for the people. Naturally the government will have helpful services for its citizens.
What you want to live in is a dictatorship for the dictatorship. By all means please move to one of those country's if this is what you desire.

 

[Sal]

The above commentary that you quoted was directed at the actions and resulting harm engaged by Pierre Trudeau. His legacy was highly successful in promoting a system that favoured hand outs over 'hand ups'. The result was the provision of a nanny-state that would see to your every need, whim and fancy

As far as sharing is concerned, we are still paying down the (very expensive) debt that PET amassed to buy the vote (big debt was how 'sharing' was generated back then)... That's part of the legacy is that even though the old crone has been out of gvt for decades, 2 generations (with more to come) are sharing in the immediate gratification that was developed by PET and increased under all other gvts.

Let's also not forget that we have multiple systems of legislated sharing in the form of Fed, Prov and Muni taxes that also incorporate 'progressive sharing' in the form of higher rates for those that have increasingly more income... Not to forget, PST's and GST on top of fees, licensing, permitting... To top it off, there is significant pressures in the charity industry to make up for shortfalls that the societal systems do not cover.

It seems to me that sharing insinuates that there is a bilateral benefit (sometimes tangible, sometimes intangible).. In the case of Canada (especially PET), it was a 1-way, never-ending, legislated obligation that only grew over time... Does this describe the definition of 'sharing' to you?

.. So yes, as far as PET is concerned and the negative spin, the answer is yes - PET earned that spin and our entire nation is poorer today because of it

but he was voted in to do his destruction and no one knew at the time the destruction he would cause, yet we haven't changed our system yet...the biggest pigs at the trough are not welfare recipients nor those who use our health care...when we cut back it is always the poorest that suffer the most...surely there has to be a better way to do it...

 

[Twila]

but he was voted in to do his destruction and no one knew at the time the destruction he would cause, yet we haven't changed our system yet...the biggest pigs at the trough are not welfare recipients nor those who use our health care...when we cut back it is always the poorest that suffer the most...surely there has to be a better way to do it...

Maybe we shouldn't reward greed and lies. Or maybe if they are voted in, it shouldn't be a means of profit, luxurious retirement package and severance. Maybe holding a voted in position of gov't shouldn't come with more benefits then the average worker in that country gets? Just thoughts, not fully thought out, just off the top of my head...

 

[Sal]

Maybe we shouldn't reward greed and lies. Or maybe if they are voted in, it shouldn't be a means of profit, luxurious retirement package and severance. Maybe holding a voted in position of gov't shouldn't come with more benefits then the average worker in that country gets? Just thoughts, not fully thought out, just off the top of my head...

I think that sounds good...the counter argument to that of course always being we won't get intelligent individuals running for office because they can make more in the private sector.

Maybe our answer to that should be then let them make more in the private sector...we want people who want to help the country not themselves. Besides which if they are so good at the job, the private sector should snap them up after they have proven themselves.

 

[Twila]

I think that sounds good...the counter argument to that of course always being we won't get intelligent individuals running for office because they can make more in the private sector.

Do we have intelligent individuals now though? (that is a geniune question, not sarcastic ) We have individuals who're quite adept at saying what we want to hear...or think we want to hear. They are adept at lying. But so are used car salesman...

 

[Angstrom]

You guys can't reinvent the wheel.

It's eather a dictatorship for the dictator.
Or a government by the people for the people.
There is no in between. You pick one or the other.
Period.

I'll pick a nanny state over oppression every day for the rest of my life. Thank you.
Can everyone else please keep moving west till they get to China

 

[captain morgan]

but he was voted in to do his destruction and no one knew at the time the destruction he would cause, yet we haven't changed our system yet...

In part, it is because the public now demands this and perpetuates the cycle... Add in some remarkably stupid politicians that simply want to get elected and are willing to keep us on the road to rack and ruin and voila, the cycle lives on to sting yet another generation of Canadians that will be paying off debt that you and I demanded.

This is one reason that guys like Ralph Klein were so hugely popular back in the day... He forced the public in this prov to swallow the pills that should have been done earlier... Everyone, and I mean everyone took it on the chin, but in a reasonably short time, people could see the merits of those decisions and were able to rebuild and move forward

the biggest pigs at the trough are not welfare recipients nor those who use our health care...when we cut back it is always the poorest that suffer the most...surely there has to be a better way to do it...

You'll notice that I never mentioned any portfolio, department, etc in my earlier commentary. The bottom line is that any society should live within it's means rather than beyond it... Trying to solve any societal problem by burying it in cash is no solution at all, and if you think that the issue is dire today, look ahead 10 or 20 years when there is little or no opportunity to access debt (as a nation) to fund endless entitlements.

The wheels will fall off and the train will come to a screeching halt... That is when the real pain in the lower income demographic will be at a critical level

I will say this though and point to France as an example.... Hollande (Fr President) has passed new taxation rules that seek to have a marginal tax rate of 75% on any income over 1 million Euros... This is a governmental, knee-jerk reaction that seeks to raise tax revenues (to fund society) at the expense of a select few.

The reaction has been predictable (I'm sure you can guess) and the people that are impacted the hardest and are suffering the most because of this policy (think sharing)? Yep, you guessed it, the poorest in society

 

[Angstrom]

Then let it come crashing down when it dose. Who gives a hoot.

Will build something better out of the rubbles

 

[Corduroy]

"Because other people are bad examples" is not a good reason to be against an ideology. The author also claims to be a communist because their uncle was one. That's not a good reason to support an ideology.

 

[captain morgan]

Then let it come crashing down when it dose. Who gives a hoot.

Will build something better out of the rubbles

Sure, just like they are doing in Haiti

 

[Angstrom]

Sure, just like they are doing in Haiti

No.

We are white male majority in this country. Will figure out a way to rebuild don't you worry. Lol

We where the first at inventing everything on this planet.
If not for us I bet humans be still all living in dirt huts. Or some kind of primitive house.