Ten Paces then DRAW!

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Ten Paces then DRAW!

That sounds very ominous...Colpy,but...We're not talking about hunting rifles that were banned. If you need an assault rifle to kill a deer, maybe hunting isn't the sport for you. What types of handguns? How many rounds would be emptied in what time frame. If your firing eight shots in five seconds...that is a little more than for "protection". How many of those were more prone to accidental death. I am really surprised the insurance industry hasn't stepped in to raise the rates for those that chose to own guns.

The point is that these people were the best of citizens. They stepped up to the plate and registered these weapons when asked. Then the government stole them with legislation.

I don't need an assault rifle to hunt deer.

The hanguns banned were any handgun with a barrel length of less than 105mm, and any handgun of.25 or .32 caliber. Silliness. The two calibers are the least powerful of the handgun centrefires. The legal barrel length is set at 105mm, not 100mm, just so the gov't could seize as many handguns as possible, the usual barrel length on a handgun being 4", or 102 mm.

My situation may not be typical, but here it is. I am grandfathered and allowed to own military-style "assault rifles". I do own a high capacity, semi-auto handgun with a barrel length of 108mm. I am NOT permitted to own an old 6 shooter S&W 4" barreled .38, but I carry one every day.

If nothing else, the gun laws need to be changed because they are confusing, complicated, and in many, many cases simply non-sensical.

 

[Colpy]

"I know a couple of native lads who only use a .22 to bag their deer Skill and ability is what they use instead of the heavy caliber rifles."

"I knew an old native named Basil who used nothing but a single shot .22. He shot everything from deer to ducks with it."

If you are hunting deer with a .22 rimfire rifle, what you need is a solid kick in the arse.

In the first place, hunting big game with a rimfire is ILLEGAL, and for very good reason. It does not matter how good a shot you are, the bullets out of a rimfire will not reliably kill. You might drop 3 out of 4 deer on the spot with brain shots, and the fourth bullet just decides to deflect off the skull, or disintegrate without penetrating, or penetrate without doing enough damage to kill.

These guys you admire so much are leaving seriously wounded animals in terrific pain in the woods unnecessarily.

I have hunted with a couple of "Indian lads" Neither one could hit a cow in the arse with a shovel, although both felt entitled to shoot anything that moved. Or I should say "shoot AT" anything that moved.

Mind you, neither of these lads had ever had to hunt to live.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: RE: Ten Paces then DRAW!

I knew an old native named Basil who used nothing but a single shot .22. He shot everything from deer to ducks with it.

I know for sure natives aren't wasteful with thier bullets, the elders are amazing shots. A particular elder in Kugluktuk actually killed a Grizzly outside his camp with a bloody .22, and to this day I've never figgered out how.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: RE: Ten Paces then DRAW!

In the first place, hunting big game with a rimfire is ILLEGAL, and for very good reason. It does not matter how good a shot you are, the bullets out of a rimfire will not reliably kill. You might drop 3 out of 4 deer on the spot with brain shots, and the fourth bullet just decides to deflect off the skull, or disintegrate without penetrating, or penetrate without doing enough damage to kill.

It is better to learn how to kill with a precise shot. You waste alot of meat if you shoot something with a high calibre rifle, kill it, but not in the right place. Many natives who hunt for a living know that, and is why many (not all) become very good shots. You know, hunting is more than shooting. If you wound something that's where TRACKING comes in handy.

:roll: No one is saying that ALL natives are good shots or wise hunters, I know a few native dicks that are wasteful, but the ratio is much lower compared to Kablunak hunters.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It sounds to me like Colpy is a bit jealous...old natives named Basil who can kill ducks with a .22 have that effect on the great white hunters.

I can assure you that the good hunters I know, including natives who hunt with a .22 and pasty white guys who have the latest technology, do not leave wounded animals behind. They also don't hunt for sport and they either eat what they kill or give it families who will.

It's a funny thing about the good hunters that I know...most of them only have one or two guns, very few of them had 4x4's until the recent glut on used markets made 4x4's cheap, most of them go hunting in average winter wear, very few of them mount animal heads on their walls (although several donate antlers to an artists' group who carves them), they hunt in season (yes, even the natives), almost all of them either tan the hide or give it to somebody who will, none of them are troubled by gun registration, they are happy to see the DNR show up because they get tips from them.

Now let's compare them to the bad hunters that I know. They all hate the gun registration, most will admit to jacking deer at least once if you feed them enough beer, most toss the hide away, they all have dead animal heads on their wall, they would never consider giving antlers to an artist to carve, they like new 4x4's, they have many guns, most have made a kill without any intention of eating the meat, most have all the fancy hunting equipment, they are afraid of the DNR, they often hunt on posted land.

Funny how that works, eh?

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: RE: Ten Paces then DRAW!

Now let's compare them to the bad hunters that I know. They all hate the gun registration, most will admit to jacking deer at least once if you feed them enough beer, most toss the hide away, they all have dead animal heads on their wall, they would never consider giving antlers to an artist to carve, they like new 4x4's, they have many guns, most have made a kill without any intention of eating the meat, most have all the fancy hunting equipment, they are afraid of the DNR, they often hunt on posted land.

:lol: Sounds like the Big game hunters you get in Kugluktuk, Bragging about Shewtin this and Shewtin that. Dressed to the 9's in Green camoflague to go hunting in the arctic in the WINTER. Armed with guns meant for wildebeast or elephants, when they shoot something they take the head, and sometimes the fur.

These were the type of people my brother would sell Hik Hik (ground squirrel) furs to for lots of $$$ saying that they were baby fox furs.

 

[Reverend Blair]

We have plenty of that type here in Winnipeg, Jo. Quite a few in Regina too. Tons of them in Calgary. I guess they mostly come from big cities.

The real hunters I know despise them, but they are always nice to them because they like to buy all the used equipment cheap.

 

[Jo Canadian]

That was also the general attitude with the guides up north too. Just nod your head to them and say "yuh." Let the kablunaks do what they want cause you'll get lots of money for putting up with their bullshit.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Boydfish]

Do you have a legitimate use for a "semi-auto, centrefire rifles with barrel lengths of less than 18 1/2 inches."

Just out of curiosity, who gets to define "legitimate use'?

Anyone capable of any logic at all understands that guns for hunting are not going to be banned. Why would you want a military rifle?

I think what you're failing to grasp is that westerners, who make up the bulk of the legal firearm owners, simply trust nothing that the Canadian's government has to say. I suspect that once the Canadians demonstrate to Albertans and British Columbians that they are trustworthy, you'll find that our buy-in on these kind of things would be bigger.

The Canadian government in the 1970's, under Trudeau, stated point blank that the FAC legislation was the last gun law they'd ever pass. Didn't quite happen, did it?

 

[Jo Canadian]

Eh? Since when have westerners been the main bulk of gun owners? I've spent just as many years in Alberta as I have in the maritimes and Gun owners are everywhere. The majority of gun owners are in rural areas.

:roll: Anyways, this whole east/west thing is a little redundant and really has nothing to do with guns, there are other factors fuelling that fire.

 

[peapod]

Please show me where you got the stats that say british columbians do not favor gun registration and gun control. Provide the links where you got this information..

 

[Boydfish]

Please show me where you got the stats that say british columbians do not favor gun registration and gun control.

I would suggest the easiest "stat" that confirms that British Columbians don't support gun registration comes from the lawfully elected government of British Columbia refusing to enforce the Canadian legislation on point.

PM Campbell has stated quite clearly before each time he's been elected that BC will not enforce the registry and his party keeps winning.

 

[Boydfish]

Eh? Since when have westerners been the main bulk of gun owners? I've spent just as many years in Alberta as I have in the maritimes and Gun owners are everywhere.

I didn't say there weren't gun owners everywhere, I pointed out that the bulk are in the west. It's also where the distrust of the Canadian government is the highest.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Re: RE: Ten Paces then DRAW!

Eh? Since when have westerners been the main bulk of gun owners? I've spent just as many years in Alberta as I have in the maritimes and Gun owners are everywhere.

I didn't say there weren't gun owners everywhere, I pointed out that the bulk are in the west. It's also where the distrust of the Canadian government is the highest.

:scratch: How you know?

I could also point out that Northerners consume the most spam in Canada, but there is no way to prove that is there.

From what I've personally seen there's more guns/owner in the NWT than there is in Alberta alone. But still no way I'd be able to prove that. So the point is moot.

 

[peapod]

I asked you to show me where you got the stats that british columbians do not support gun control and gun registration, I did not ask you what gordon dickhead said. Again show me where you get the information that "british columbians" do not support gun control and gun registration. Link please.

 

[Boydfish]

I did not ask you what gordon dickhead said.

Ah, still bitter that the majority of British Columbians don't agree with your outdated marxist leanings, are you?

 

[no1important]

Gordon dickhead only recieved 46% percent of vote compared to 41.2 for NDP.

 

[peapod]

quit stalling and provide the link to the stat that show british columbians do not want gun control and gun registration.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Just out of curiosity, who gets to define "legitimate use'?

Hunting is a legitimate use. Killing gophers is a legitimate use. "Protecting" yourself from the government or commies or whatever the hell you are afraid of is not a legitimate use.

I think what you're failing to grasp is that westerners, who make up the bulk of the legal firearm owners, simply trust nothing that the Canadian's government has to say.

The west starts a few miles east of my house. There's a sign. I reject your made-statistics because they don't match reality.

The Canadian government in the 1970's, under Trudeau, stated point blank that the FAC legislation was the last gun law they'd ever pass.

And Trudeau never passed another gun law.

Anyways, this whole east/west thing is a little redundant and really has nothing to do with guns, there are other factors fuelling that fire.

It has everything to do with this debate though, Jo. That's not because it's true, or even relevant, it's just that Alberta-centric, oil-patch-centric Harperites have chosen to frame it that way because they hate the rest of Canada. Harper and his candidates are more careful about what they say nowadays, but when you talk to the underlings it becomes very clear that they despise Ontario, hate the Maritime provinces, and hold Manitoba and Saskatchewan in disdain.

Those last two are really funny because they have a fair bit of support in Manitoba and won every seat in Saskatchewan last time around. When you talk to them though, they just attack those two provinces.