Technical question on WTC collapse

[danieltowsey]

Here what the police state is doing,,scary

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SMI20061107&articleId=3749

I posted this for those who just can't see the whole picture..do you still not understand what the purpose of 911 was?.....It just amazes me that people still don't understand they have always been lied to and deceived by the controllers..all is already lost..freedom is now an illusion...Its ashame that the masses have not been able to recognise true geniuses who have been trying to warn you...but you have been stuck to the tube all your lives...the box is the tube..it really does create tunnel vision......God save our souls....the future is looking really scary....and it all started with ignorance..

 

[danieltowsey]

Heres more for those who don't believe me

Messages

1. Fwd: Focussed micro-nukes were used on 9/11

Posted by: "Toby" tobyblyza@yahoo.com tobyblyza

Wed Nov 8, 2006 1:46 pm (PST)

The ONLY solution is to enforce The Plan and reinstate God¹s Perfect
Laws of Liberty:- http://jahtruth. net/plan. htm

http://thewayhomeor facethefire. info/

--- In Strait_Truth@ yahoogroups. com, "Mathias" <matt_labudzki@ ...>
wrote:

For evidence regarding the use of focussed micro-nukes on 9/11 go
to:
http://thebirdman. org/Index/ Temp/Temp- ThermonuclearDev ice&911-MW. htm
<http://thebirdman. org/Index/ Temp/Temp- ThermonuclearDev ice&911-
MW.htm>
The article is pasted below: Evidence of fusion devices at the WTC:

1. pulverization of 99% of concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded
by
official studies. Concrete dust was created instantly throughout the
towers when the fusion device million degree heat rapidly expanded
water
vapor in the concrete floors.

2.. Superheated steels ablating (vaporizing continuously as they
fall)
as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing. This requires
uniform
temperatures roughly twice that of thermate.

3. 22 ton outer wall steel sections ejected 200 meters into the
winter
garden. Cutting charges cannot provide the energy required.

4. 330 ton section of outer wall columns ripping off side of tower.
Cutting charges cannot provide energy required.

5. Molten ponds of steel at the bottom of elevator shafts (WTC1,
WTC2,
WTC7) Thermate is impractical for lower level demolition due to the
thickness of the 47 steel columns.

6. The spire behavior (stands for 20-30 seconds, evaporates, goes
down,
steel dust remains)

7. Sharp spikes in seismograph readings (Richter 2.1 and 2.3)
occurred
at the beginning of collapse for both towers. Short duration and high
power indicate explosive event.

8. A press weighting 50 tons disappeared from a basement floor of
Twin
Towers and was never recovered from debris.

9. Wide area electrical outage, repairs took over 3 months. Fusion
devices cause EM pulse with Compton Effect.

10. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of
water. Thermate would cool down much faster.

11. Brown shades of color in the air due nuclear radiation forming
sulfuric acid. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance
to
blue to disguise this fact indicating complicity in the coverup.

12. Elevated Tritium values measured in the WTC area but not
elsewhere
in New York. Official studies stated that 8 EXIT signs from two
commercial Boeing jets were responsible. This is why the "no
commercial
planes" line of inquiry is very important and should not be ignored
or
attacked. It can provide conclusive proof of fusion devices and
therefore US/Israeli military involvement.

13. Pyroclastic flow observed in the concrete-based clouds. Only
found
with volcanic eruptions and nuclear detonations. Jim Hoffman
unfortunately missed this obvious observation in his papers.

14. Huge expanding dust clouds 5 times the volume of the building
indicating extreme levels of heat generated far in excess of
traditional
demolition explosives.

15. Rubble height was some 10% of the original instead of 33%
expected
in a traditional demolition. Fusion device removal of underground
central steel framework allowed upper framework to fall into this
empty
space and reduce the rubble height.

16. No survivors found, except some firefighters in one corner
pocket in
the rubble who looked up to see blue sky above them instead of being
crushed by collapsing debris. Upward fusion flashlight beam of
destruction missed this pocket but removed debris above firemen.

17. 14 rescue dogs and some rescue workers died far too soon
afterward
to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins (respiratory problems
due to
alpha particles created by fusion that are far more toxic)

18. Record concentrations of near-atomic size metal particles found
in
dust studies due to ablated steel. Only possible with fusion.

19. Decontamination procedure used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water
spraying) for all steel removed from site. Water spraying contains
fusion radiactivity.

20. No bodies, furniture or computers found in the rubble, but intact
sheets of paper covered the streets with fine dust. Items with
significant mass absorbed fusion energy and were vaporized while
paper
did not. Paper and Powder theory.

21. 200 000 gallon sprinkler watertanks on the roofs of WTC1 and
WTC2,
but no water in the ruins. Heat of fusion devices vaporized large
reservoirs of water.

22. reports of cars exploding around the WTC and many burned out
wrecks
could be seen that had not been hit by debris. Fusion energy blast
and
EM pulse caused electrical components in cars to explode and burn
vehicles far from WTC site.

23. EM pulse was recorded by broadcast cameras with high quality
electronic circuitry. This occurred at the same time as the seismic
peaks recorded by Lamont Doherty during the beginning of the
collapse.
This is due to the Compton Effect and resulted in a large area power
outage at the WTC.

I sincerely hope that you will help me refine this hypothesis using
your
expertise in the field of fusion. Statistical probability would
suggest
that this long list of evidence cannot be easily dismissed and in
fact
provides the solution to the WTC demolitions.

I would also appreciate your comments on my seven laws of science in
the
911 Eyewitness DVD in order to improve our presentation.

Please feel free to use any segments from our DVD in your
presentations.

I would also like to take this opportunity to invite you and other
911
scholars to speak in Washington DC this Sept. 11 anniversary and have
your grievances redressed as is your constitutional right according
to
the first amendment. Your presence at the Capital would certainly
make a
significant statement to those who have the power to change the
current
state of affairs.

Best regards,

David Shaw
Producer
911 Eyewitness
http://www.911eyewi tness.com/ truth/index. php?
name=News&file= article&sid= \
61
<http://www.911eyewi tness.com/ truth/index. php?
name=News&file= article&sid\
=61> [http://www.acebaker .com/KingdomCome /Tower%20Explode s.jpg]
<http://www.metacafe .com/watch/ 31046/video?
rd=60796c939786c17a edae20c471\
957afe30378bba43756 bfa> volcano-like eruption --can not be explained
away by "pancaking floors"
[http://www.acebaker .com/KingdomCome /mushroom. jpg]
<http://www.checkthe evidence. com/video/ 911/Prof% 20Steve%20Jones%
20USVC%2\
09-11%20Scientific% 20%26%20Ethical% 20Questions% 20-%20Feb% 201%
202006.wmv>
tremendous thermic upward surge--volcano- like----thermite alone can
hardly provide this amount of energy---a focussed mini-nuke (fusion)
can. israel (reported by vanunu) has pursued the minimization of
fusion-warheads/ devices (down to 0.01 kts) for a long time---as well
as
the u.s.

--- End forwarded message ---

 

[Toro]

This responce is for CNDBear.....

I do have a very powerful weapon..its something you can't defend yourself from...Its got a really unique name...its called...TRUTH....you would do will to get yourself some..

Says the guy that quotes the Protocols of the Elder Zion

 

[CDNBear]

TORO, thanx for the back up. I've missed you. Where you been hidin'?

 

[Toro]

TORO, thanx for the back up. I've missed you. Where you been hidin'?

Thanks.

I've been Travelling.

 

[Tonington]

About those bombs used to blow up the towers, would they have been identicle bombs as far as yield goes? Also would they have been placed in the same spots? If so, the seismic activity from both collapses is confusing. Seeming as how the seismic activity is logarithmic, a blast that is 2.3 is 100 times more powerful than a richter reading of 2.1.

 

[danieltowsey]

Faster fall than gravity

So did anyone understand why the buildings fell down faster than gravity? I see again that you deniers have avoided that too....should I explain it for you? I guess I will since I feel I am teaching a primary class with a bunch of kids with bad attitudes from a bad neighboorhood....You see class, in a free fall situation you have air resistance acting on the object..But in a situation with a buildings supports have been blown out by explosives..the act of blowing out the building also blows the air out which creates a vacumm, where there is no longer any air resitance to act against the object falling down..

 

[danieltowsey]

Says the guy that quotes the Protocols of the Elder Zion

Considering that the Protocols were written by geniuses..(not to imply they are good ones) I can understand why you can't understand....

 

[CDNBear]

Umm, I never did well in physics, but I did pass Jump School. I do understand and know all about "Terminal Velocity".

Those buildings did not reach terminal velocity. How can something fall faster then gravity, unless there is something forcing it downward from above? Did Bush plant jet packs on the roof?

If so please referrence a real organizations proof of such, with supporting documentation, please.

 

[danieltowsey]

Concerning post by Administration

I have to agree with the administrtion that we should be debating the points that are being made and not attacking the people making them..I have always believed in that...but since I started posting thoughts, articles and links to info..I have been repeated personally attacked and demeaning comments have been continually thrown at me..where as I have found it necessary to try and protect myself, and in an effort to protect myself I then resorted to using demeaning comments to others..For that I am appologizing to the viewers...This does not mean that many of you do not also need to apologize...Even with all the personal attacks on me. I have tried to keep this thread intelligent and to bring you enlightening but very different points of views than what you are conditioned to hearing..I do not expect any of you to agree with my points of view..But in a civilized free society intelligent people understand that society can not function properly without desenters...Desenters are the only safeguard we have against tyranny....With tyranny there is no freedom and that includes freedom of speech..not freedom to attack the messenger of desenting views...

If these thoughts were kept in mind at all times we would not be fighting amongst ourselves and evil would lose....

Informed and insightful people realize that now more than at any other time in human history we need to start a 'TRUTH movement or a TRUTH revolution.People need to learn what the truth really is, you can not be free without it..

.There are secret societies that have been actively deceiving and dumbing down the common people in a goal to achieve the New World Order where they will be the absolute rulers and where democracy well not exist..If the common people could get past the propaganda that is continuosly thrown at them by the controllers and started treating each other with respect..we would all be able to see and understand the evil that is at work against us..these evil doers know that for as long as they keep the common people devided and attacking each other, they will not see the greater evil working against them...When the common people come to realize that the greatest power these evil doers have against the common people is ignorance..then and only then might the people wake up and stop being ignorant.....

"Telling the truth at anytime is always a revotionary thing"and "The world needs to revolve around truth" So I say again.."WE NEED A TRUTH REVOLUTION"

 

[CDNBear]

I asked you about terminal velocity and how the buildings seemed to exceed that in your eyes.

I'm still waiting to hear back on whether or not there is proof that they did in fact pass that speed.

 

[Toro]

Considering that the Protocols were written by geniuses..(not to imply they are good ones) I can understand why you can't understand....

I can understand that its a fraud, and I'm not basing my entire worldview on some bizarre text from a century ago.

Numerous independent investigations[1] have repeatedly proven it to be a hoax by Okhranka, the tsarist secret police; most notably, a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921 revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an antisemitic theme. Since the Protocols appeared, its earliest publishers have offered vague and often contradictory testimony detailing how they obtained their copy of the rumored original manuscript.[2] Nevertheless, some people continue to view the Protocols as evidence of a conspiracy, especially in parts of the world where antisemitism is widespread. It is also frequently quoted and reprinted by antisemites, and is sometimes used as evidence of a Jewish conspiracy, especially in the Middle East.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

 

[Tonington]

Indeed an explosion will force out the air around the blast area. However, the explosion itself lasts only a short time, and then the air would rush back into the vacuum created. The vaccuum space would not be very large either, and the rest of the floors are basically empty space, so the upper floors would fall normally.

As to the time the building would take to fall, Heres some figures put forward by MIT. The building fell at 200 km/hour, and took close to ten seconds to fall, if there had been no restraint, ie no resistance, it would have fell at 300 km/h and would have taken eight seconds to fall, which it did not. The contents of the building is 95% air.

The building fell straight down onto itslef because in the nearly ten seconds it fell, the 500,000 tonne structure did not have enough time to build significant lateral velocity, so gravity pulled it down on itself.

 

[#juan]

Umm, I never did well in physics, but I did pass Jump School. I do understand and know all about "Terminal Velocity".

Those buildings did not reach terminal velocity. How can something fall faster then gravity, unless there is something forcing it downward from above? Did Bush plant jet packs on the roof?

If so please referrence a real organizations proof of such, with supporting documentation, please.

Gravity is not a speed. It is an acceleration of roughly thirty two feet per second per second.

 

[TenPenny]

So did anyone understand why the buildings fell down faster than gravity? I see again that you deniers have avoided that too....should I explain it for you? I guess I will since I feel I am teaching a primary class with a bunch of kids with bad attitudes from a bad neighboorhood....You see class, in a free fall situation you have air resistance acting on the object..But in a situation with a buildings supports have been blown out by explosives..the act of blowing out the building also blows the air out which creates a vacumm, where there is no longer any air resitance to act against the object falling down..

Which is all well and good, but air resistance has nothing to do with gravity, class, as you all know. Whether or not you have a point is hard to tell, since you are not using the proper words to explain it.

Good luck with your conspiracy theory. Maybe you can hire someone to nail you on a cross, that would help your case.

 

[CDNBear]

Gravity is not a speed. It is an acceleration of roughly thirty two feet per second per second.

Like I said, physics was not my strongest subject.

So how does that play on the topic at hand?

The buildings fell faster then that?

If so, why is it impossible for this to occure because two planes hit them?

 

[#juan]

Like I said, physics was not my strongest subject.

So how does that play on the topic at hand?

The buildings fell faster then that?

If so, why is it impossible for this to occure because two planes hit them?

No no, again, gravity is an acceleration. On Earth, a body, a brick, etc., will fall to earth, accelerating at thirty two feet per second per second. For every second the brick falls, it will be falling thirty two feet per second faster that the second before. Because the brick is falling through air, there will be a terminal velocity but for something as compact as a brick, that velocity will be quite high. Something light like a ping pong ball would likely achieve it's terminal velocity in the first second.

 

[CDNBear]

No no, again, gravity is an acceleration. On Earth, a body, a brick, etc., will fall to earth, accelerating at thirty two feet per second per second. For every second the brick falls, it will be falling thirty two feet per second faster that the second before. Because the brick is falling through air, there will be a terminal velocity but for something as compact as a brick, that velocity will be quite high. Something light like a ping pong ball would likely achieve it's terminal velocity in the first second.

So terminal velocity is different from item to item?

or differring items reach terminal velocity at differring times?

I was always under the impression that terminal velocity was a set number for everything. I thought Newton's Law ment that a bowling ball and a ping pong ball fell at the same rate and that mass played less with the out come?

 

[Tonington]

The terminal velocity of an object is dependant on the resistance the object has as it falls through the air. In a vacuum, a feather and bowling ball would fall at the same speed. Every object has a characteristic known as the drag coefficient. A feather has a much higher drag coefficient than the bowling ball, so it will fall slower. Terminal velocity is a result of this drag as the object comes into contact with whatever fluid it is falling in, ie the higher the density of the fluid, the slower it will fall. Drag is also affected by the cross-sectional area of the object. This can be explained by dropping a crumpled up paper and an uncrumpled paper. The sheet of paper has a larger cross sectional area, so it will have more drag as it falls.

I posted this earlier, but in respect to the towers, if there were an explosion, there would be a temporary vacuum, but only for a short period of time. Further, the space inside the towers is mostly air. So everything above the area of the proposed explosion will experience drag as it falls.

 

[#juan]

So terminal velocity is different from item to item?

or differring items reach terminal velocity at differring times?

I was always under the impression that terminal velocity was a set number for everything. I thought Newton's Law ment that a bowling ball and a ping pong ball fell at the same rate and that mass played less with the out come?

In a vacuum, that would be exactly right. Air friction makes the difference. Drop a bowling ball from twenty feet and the air would have little effect on it. Drop a feather from the same height and it might not hit the ground for five minutes.