So how does this relate to danny's belief that the buildings fell faster then gravity?
Technical question on WTC collapse
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Well now anything written in 1921..claiming that these words in the protocols were plagerized from some previous satire article..I believe is false..for one thing anyone who reads the protocols will never discover any satire in it..and where is this supposed previous writing....Now for anyone who truely knows what is going on in this world, it is not difficult to see that much of what is in the Protocols has already happened....Now as to your suggestion of anti-semitism..You are wrong again....I am talking about Zionism and the members of zionism are not exclusively just Jews...Anyone can be a zionist..and to further understand things..it has been the zionists that have been undermining Judaism...And a very large percentage of Jews do not support or condone Zionism..Truth be told Jews have always been victims of Zionism...anyway this is leading into an impossible direction..............for everything pertaining to zionism is based on deceptions..... http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com http://jewsnotzionists.org Now about this vacumm where a previous writer said that the vacumm would only last for a very brief period of time..thats not true..once the vacumm is created it will continue until all the air has escaped..which is the air in the building, and the other comment about the rest of the build being exposed to air resistance as it comes down..well thats not correct..for the vacumm which is expelling the air has and is eliminating that resistance..that is why you saw those huge pyroclastic clouds...but this is all just a thought..as none of this can be proven here.....
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I couldn't get this info from that conspiracy site you posted, but what exactly happened at the bottom of the building where these explosive devices were palced? That's an important factor if we wish to discuss the vacuum effects of a detonation. I remember watching on TV, and the video of people standing in the street, then looking up seeing the building come down. They immediately begin running away. The cameras continued rolling after the dust coming down enveloped them. But the cameras still worked, apparently they are impervious to the EMP pulse which disrupted the power for what was it, three months?
Also, it says there were elevated levels of tritium, but it did not say how much. Also, the tritium in a nuclear device ends up as tritium rich metals like scandium. You can find lots of tritium in aircraft dials, guages, luminescent paint, luminescent devices like exit signs (not just in the aircraft, also in buildings) and even wrist watches.
Also, if this theory of a nuclear device is so sure, and the science so sound, why can I not find estimates of the explosive yield anywhere? This is important if we wish to verify the seiemic activity caused by any nuclear detonation. For example, the blast in Korea was very small, but produced a seismic reading of 4.2. It has been stated in other conspiracy theories that the heat generated would have to come from a high yield device, this would seem to be at odds where the small yield Korean detonation of 1 kt, yielded a seismic reading of 4.2, and as I said before, the seismic scale is logarithmic, so 4.2 is actually 10^18 times stronger than the highest reading of 2.3. The lowest yield possible from a nuclear device according to Robin Frost of Simon Fraser University would be 100t or 1/10 of the blast in Korea. Is it possible that a device with ten times the yield could translate to a seismic increase of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 ?
Also, it says there were elevated levels of tritium, but it did not say how much. Also, the tritium in a nuclear device ends up as tritium rich metals like scandium. You can find lots of tritium in aircraft dials, guages, luminescent paint, luminescent devices like exit signs (not just in the aircraft, also in buildings) and even wrist watches.
Also, if this theory of a nuclear device is so sure, and the science so sound, why can I not find estimates of the explosive yield anywhere? This is important if we wish to verify the seiemic activity caused by any nuclear detonation. For example, the blast in Korea was very small, but produced a seismic reading of 4.2. It has been stated in other conspiracy theories that the heat generated would have to come from a high yield device, this would seem to be at odds where the small yield Korean detonation of 1 kt, yielded a seismic reading of 4.2, and as I said before, the seismic scale is logarithmic, so 4.2 is actually 10^18 times stronger than the highest reading of 2.3. The lowest yield possible from a nuclear device according to Robin Frost of Simon Fraser University would be 100t or 1/10 of the blast in Korea. Is it possible that a device with ten times the yield could translate to a seismic increase of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 ?
Good point. The force of the detonation, assuming there was one, would go out in all directions. So not only would it force the air out to the side, creating a vacuum, but it would also force the air up and down...so in reality, if there were a detonation, the builings would lift vertically first, due to the explosive force acting upward. Did anyone see those buildings go upward before they fell down?
All of this "falling faster than gravity" stuff makes no sense, because gravity is not a speed. It's like saying "my house is an acre high". Total nonsense. Means nothing.
Do you notice that most of these conspiracy theories involve just enough science and technical stuff to make them sound real?
I repeat - get someone to nail you onto a cross if you want your conspiracy theories believed. It worked once, it will work again.
Tonington
You are attempting to explain in a scientific manner all that which has been already explained by eminent scientists (no offense intended) and has been outright dismissed by conspiracy theorists.
Save your energy, they won't get it even if you were the foremost authority. They don't want to get it. They will believe what they want to believe.
You are attempting to explain in a scientific manner all that which has been already explained by eminent scientists (no offense intended) and has been outright dismissed by conspiracy theorists.
Save your energy, they won't get it even if you were the foremost authority. They don't want to get it. They will believe what they want to believe.
Ok, I still have no clue about this. (I'm gunna regret typing that)
What evidence is there that the buildings fell greater then the laws of gravitional acceleration should allowed? And how would that translate into explosives being in the building?
What evidence is there that the buildings fell greater then the laws of gravitional acceleration should allowed? And how would that translate into explosives being in the building?
By the By all the conspiracy theories were started by the terrorists...unfortunately they are stupid, they have money by the opium trade and from arabian oil, so they can pay for alot of phoney ballony...for example fake videos and photographs. But the effort mas made by these dirty morons to try to shake up the confidence of Americans and allies in an attempt to gain sympathy...unfortunately for them the malicious intend did not make the stupidity any more convincing for anyone who has a grain of commonsense...
the terrorist started it, the stupid followed...
the terrorist started it, the stupid followed...
The theory is not gravity falling, it is the speed at which gravity allows. The fact is that there was no or little 'resistance' to the falling debris. The question, 'How is that possible?'.
The science just gives an understanding why. not the reason why. Science goes to the point of probability for it's point to be made, possible or impossible.
The buildings do not lift, this is a falasehood, they shift very slightly from the blasts removing the supports. The material is undermined and remains suspended for, a very breif moment,then it falls. The questions arose when the central structures of the buildings were nowhere to be found. Also the demolition found in the sub-basements. Repeated to death but, "This does not happen to steel structures at all!".
A vaccuum, unless capture in say a tube or bottle, creates a current. As the vaccum is created, itself is also destroyed by the influx of air. A burp if you will, clears the space occupied by the growing vaccum. This is what would aid in the free-fall aspect of the buildings coming down.
As far as crucifixion, I don't think we would fall for that a second time.
I just finished watching HBO's "Hacking Democracy", I'm feeling a little tinfoilish, but I can't help wondering how it is that the US government can demo the WTC in absolute silence, but can't silence some demour Grand Motherly figure from Seattle, named Bev Harris. Who by all accounts, seems to actualy have a stronger case then the WTC tinfoilers. Can any of you tinfoilers explain that?
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Blow a fuse.
"Also, the tritium in a nuclear device ends up as tritium rich metals like scandium."
Tonigton, your applaudable efforts in trying to understand the science of a skyscraper landing in a tangled mess, is going to cause you to blow a fuse.
No triple integraton, or Fourier series is going to allow you to explain a big pile o' concrete, steel and mayhem, with a dose of jumbo jet thrown it for good measure. Ha!
To throw a "new" idea out there... where is the wisdom of the US tactics when the amount of US casulties in Iraq match the original death count of the WTC? One could argue what has been gained?
And, further, is the Iraqi loss of life even remotely justified in the bringing of democracy to a nation that wasn't ready? Why shouldn't the US withdraw, and allow civil war to rebalance the artificial equilibrium between Sunnis and Shiites?
All things have a natural balance. Tampering with a balance, no matter how delicately, can only result in an instability. (to use a scientific -and final- analogy)
"Also, the tritium in a nuclear device ends up as tritium rich metals like scandium."
Tonigton, your applaudable efforts in trying to understand the science of a skyscraper landing in a tangled mess, is going to cause you to blow a fuse.
No triple integraton, or Fourier series is going to allow you to explain a big pile o' concrete, steel and mayhem, with a dose of jumbo jet thrown it for good measure. Ha!
To throw a "new" idea out there... where is the wisdom of the US tactics when the amount of US casulties in Iraq match the original death count of the WTC? One could argue what has been gained?
And, further, is the Iraqi loss of life even remotely justified in the bringing of democracy to a nation that wasn't ready? Why shouldn't the US withdraw, and allow civil war to rebalance the artificial equilibrium between Sunnis and Shiites?
All things have a natural balance. Tampering with a balance, no matter how delicately, can only result in an instability. (to use a scientific -and final- analogy)
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The windowless UA planes are breeding...
See how the windows are hard to identify as this plane sits motionless on th eground, a hundred yards away from the camera?
i wonder how hard it would be to see them as it flew on an angle in to a building at speeds aproaching 5oo knots?
See how the windows are hard to identify as this plane sits motionless on th eground, a hundred yards away from the camera?
i wonder how hard it would be to see them as it flew on an angle in to a building at speeds aproaching 5oo knots?
I just reached the 1 hour and 50 minute mark in the movie I posted in the link above.
At that point, there is a call between Kevin Cosgrove, trapped on the 105th floor and a 911 dispatcher.
I listened with some odd macabre interest. I have seen dead bodies, in the after math of conflict/combat, I have performed CPR on someone who, for all intents and porposes, was dead, I have heard grown men cry out for there Moms in terror as they thought they were going to die. I thought I had heard enough to freeze my heart solid, perminently. I was wrong. Although the ending is short, the unknown is paramount. In my searching and researching this subject, I have seen and heard a lot and I'm not quite sure why this effected me as much as it did, when in my quest for truth and understanding, with regards to the on going death toll in the ME has not. Perhaps it is that I saw one first hand and the other through the goggle box, and that somehow made it less real to me.
But I will tip my hat to those that will deny and continue their quest to prove themselves right. I have seen enough and will not subject myself to this any more. You do the memory of these people an injustice as you trivialize and manipulate facts to suit your cynicism. I pity you and I hope one day you come to see the lacking in your goals.
As if the memories already stored neatly in my psycy weren't enough, I now have the last words Kevin Cosgrove uttered to another humanbeing before his life was wasted and unjustly ended by maniacs and for what cause? That was rhetorical, so don't reply to it.
At that point, there is a call between Kevin Cosgrove, trapped on the 105th floor and a 911 dispatcher.
I listened with some odd macabre interest. I have seen dead bodies, in the after math of conflict/combat, I have performed CPR on someone who, for all intents and porposes, was dead, I have heard grown men cry out for there Moms in terror as they thought they were going to die. I thought I had heard enough to freeze my heart solid, perminently. I was wrong. Although the ending is short, the unknown is paramount. In my searching and researching this subject, I have seen and heard a lot and I'm not quite sure why this effected me as much as it did, when in my quest for truth and understanding, with regards to the on going death toll in the ME has not. Perhaps it is that I saw one first hand and the other through the goggle box, and that somehow made it less real to me.
But I will tip my hat to those that will deny and continue their quest to prove themselves right. I have seen enough and will not subject myself to this any more. You do the memory of these people an injustice as you trivialize and manipulate facts to suit your cynicism. I pity you and I hope one day you come to see the lacking in your goals.
As if the memories already stored neatly in my psycy weren't enough, I now have the last words Kevin Cosgrove uttered to another humanbeing before his life was wasted and unjustly ended by maniacs and for what cause? That was rhetorical, so don't reply to it.