Technical question on WTC collapse

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Thank you both,

I really did give it the old College try, I wanted to get an idea of what it is they see and where they see it come from. But all I could find was misrepresented quotes, sound bites cut and used to further an agenda outside the original context of th einterveiwed's answers.

It actually ticked me off, and then saddened me. Angry, because it was an insult to th eintellegence of people, then saddened because so many have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Now touting it as gospel.
 

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:rolleyes:
 

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CDN Bear

It's a bit easier on a forum - the in-your-face-person-to-person brand comes with finger pointing in yer chest area.... and at the end spittle flying accompanied by standing on one set of yer toes. :rolleyes:
 

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CDN Bear

It's a bit easier on a forum - the in-your-face-person-to-person brand comes with finger pointing in yer chest area.... and at the end spittle flying accompanied by standing on one set of yer toes. :rolleyes:


You missed the "red face" part, then the "Fred Flintstone" in me pops up, and someone ends up with a blackened eye, lol.
 

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CDNBear

Hahaha.... yup I did....good one! I also skipped around the Halitosis factor being delivered to you the recipient.....:p
 

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Hahaha.... yup I did....good one! I also skipped around the Halitosis factor being delivered to you the recipient.....:p


that's easily remedied, I carry a lil can of Binaca, lmao.

I'm wondering how the mistakes I found will be dismissd?
 

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There is one aspect of September 11 that I haven't seen addressed on this thread, the victims. The fact that thousands were slaughtered that day and the fact that they left "Loved Ones" behind isn't even a consideration to those who like to spin their webs of lies and deceit. Can you begin to image the suffering they must endure when they read these far out theroies? How would you feel if you had children that lost a Mother of Father that day and these children read these Conspiracy Theories and think their parent is being held captive in a Barn in Utah? It angers me that those who have suffered the most, are again re-victimized.
 

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There is one aspect of September 11 that I haven't seen addressed on this thread, the victims. The fact that thousands were slaughtered that day and the fact that they left "Loved Ones" behind isn't even a consideration to those who like to spin their webs of lies and deceit. Can you begin to image the suffering they must endure when they read these far out theroies? How would you feel if you had children that lost a Mother of Father that day and these children read these Conspiracy Theories and think their parent is being held captive in a Barn in Utah? It angers me that those who have suffered the most, are again re-victimized.

Good point Sass, Lest we forget.
 

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Evidence of Controlled Demolition
by: Geronimo Jones
9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED
It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard!
The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that!
Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this.
Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions.
I decided to examine the evidence for myself…

THE OFFICIAL STORY

The above is an image of a towers cross-section provided by our good friends at BBC news. Here is the link if you wish to read the publicly accepted theory of what happened.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540044.stm
In a nutshell, this article claims that the collapse of the towers was direct result of the plane crashes, whose fires blazing hot from the jet fuel, created temperatures in excess of 800C and caused the steel supports to melt, leading to the towers collapse. Case closed.
Although the news networks gobbled this story up instantly, I had my doubts ever since they failed to report the explosions.
It was time to do some serious homework to figure out what actually happened…
My first question was
HOW TOUGH WERE THE TOWERS?
A lead engineer who worked on the WTC expressed shock that the towers collapsed from plane crashes. Lee Robertson, the tower's structural engineer, addressed the problem of terrorism in the plans for the building, claiming he “designed it for a (Boeing) 707 to hit it.”
Lets examine Mr. Robertsons handiwork a bit more and take a look at how these towers were made…

Those 4 cranes you see in the photo, are perched atop the central support core of the tower. This core is built of sheer concrete reinforced by 44 beams of construction grade steel which were sealed in asbestos. As you can see, it takes up the majority of the towers footprint.
Here is a more accurate sketch of the floorplan…

Compare it to the BBC version..

Funny how millions of people will see this drawing with 4 steel beams and think it is accurate!
Moving on, check out the approach angles of the planes in relation to the positioning of the cores...

Notice how the North Tower takes a direct hit, perpendicular to the core, while the South Tower takes more of an angular hit, almost parallel to the core structure.
Now take this knowledge of the core positions and apply it to the following diagram…

As you can see, the fuel barely grazes the core of the South Tower, with most of it burning outside the building in a huge fireball, yet the South Tower is the first one to fall.
Why?
The official story claims it was because the tower was struck lower and had more weight on top of the area of the impact. In light of this theory, I still could not shake the memory of the explosions I heard and felt.
Apparently I was not the only one…
EYEWITNESSES SPEAK OUT
USA Today Interviews Final Survivor of WTC Disaster
" As he left the building, (Ronald DiFrancesco) saw a fireball rolling toward him. He put his arms in front of his face. He woke up three days later at St. Vincent's hospital. His arms were burned. Some bones were broken. His lungs were singed. But he was alive – the last person out of the south tower. "

The Account of Two Photographers of 911
Don Halasy: " As I turned to run, a wall of warm air came barrelling toward me. I tried to outrace it, but it swept me up and literally blew me into the wall of a building. By the time I regained my footing, a hailstorm of debris was falling from the sky."
(Notice how the “hailstorm of debris” fell from the sky moments AFTER Halasay was thrown to the ground. This is a crucial detail!)
David Handschuh: " Instinctively I lifted the camera up, and something took over that probably saved my life. And that was to run rather than take pictures. I got down to the end of the block and turned the corner when a wave – a hot, solid, black wave of heat threw me down the block. It literally picked me up off my feet, and I wound up about a block away. "
What each of these witnesses are describing is known as the “shockwave effect”. When an explosion goes off, extremely high temperatures are generated in a small amount of time and space. This abrupt shift in temperature causes the air to push outwards with violent force, seeking to stabilize itself. The result is a blast of hot air radiating in all directions.
For more evidence of this effect, check out the following video footage of a Czech helicopter crew who was filming the events of 911…
WMV video of Helicopter Crew experiencing severe shockwave (180K)
If the collapse alone had caused this shockwave, there should have been a delayed reaction, but you can clearly see the helicopter getting thrown back by the blast of air just as the first bit of debris touches the ground. This video evidence shows that an explosion occured moments before the collapse.
If you are still skeptical, then lets have a look at some professional reports. Civilians and journalists were not the only ones to report explosions …
THE FIREMEN UNCENSORED
Firefighter Transcript Made Public
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion .
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Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
This transmission takes place a few moments before the North Tower Collapses…
MP3 of Firefighter Transmission (344K)
"We have numerous people covered in dust because of the secondary explosion..."
NBC Reporter Pat Dawson on the morning of 9-11:

...The Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York told me that...er...he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact was, he thinks, may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device, he thinks, he speculates, was probably planted in the building...er... so that's what we have been told by...erm...Albert Turi who is the Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department, he told me that just moments ago.
You simply HAVE to check out the following video clip…
MPEG film of NY firemen discussing the explosions. (4.8MB)
Fireman1: Floor by floor it started popping out...
Fireman2: It was almost like they had detonators…
Fireman1: Yeah, detonators…
Fireman2: …planted to take down the building. boom-boom-boom-boom-boom….
Fireman1: All the way down. I was watching it and running..
The explosions these firemen describe can be seen in this photo by Bill Biggert, a photographer who was killed by the dust cloud moments after taking this shot.

What you are seeing in this photo are large numbers of 12' sections of perimeter columns flying out ahead of the dust cloud in what is very clearly an explosive event. He got very close to the North Tower just before it fell, and captured some amazing pictures of its collapse and of the previous damage from the WTC-2 collapse. What is clear especially in Biggert's picture is that the building is turning to dust as or even before it falls.
Still not convinced? There is more…
THE SEISMOGRAPH
More explosive evidence comes from the seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC. This facility recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.
But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.
But this isnt the case in the seismograph.
The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!
This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.
THE EXPERTS SPEAK OUT
Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told the American Free Press, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated." According to Lerner-Lam, "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."
A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground explosion appears on a seismograph. Another seismologist, Won-Young Kim, stated that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2.
Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers.
DIGGING UP MORE EVIDENCE
To have a better understanding of what happened, lets take another look at how the WTC was built. Here is a photo of the construction of the towers foundation.

The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick.
This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional.
A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation
American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.
What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
EXAMINING THE HEAT OF GROUND ZERO
Five days after the collapse, on September 16, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) used an Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) to locate and measure the site's hot spots.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
Dozens of hot spots were mapped. The hottest spots at the surface of the rubble, where abundant oxygen was available, showed a temperature of 1377° F (747° C). This is, however, less than half as hot at the molten steel in the basement.
Construction steel has an extremely high melting point of about 2,800° Fahrenheit (1535° Celsius). Kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate this much heat, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.
It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.
TOO HOT FOR JET FUEL
It has been calculated that if the entire 10,000 gallons of jet fuel from the aircraft was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction, then the jet fuel could have only raised the temperature of this floor to, at the very most, 536°F (280°C). You can find the calculation here.
Another reason that we know the fires were not serious enough to cause structural failure, is that witnesses tell us this. The impact floors of the south tower were 78-84. Here are a few words from some of the witnesses:
Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the south tower:

The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway

Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby:
 

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We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped.

Ling Young was in her 78th floor office:

Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes...

The official story claims that temperatures, exceeding 800 degrees Celsius, were hot enough to cause the trusses of the south tower to fail, but here we have eye-witnesses stating that temperatures were cool enough for them to walk away.
YOU BE THE JUDGE
Lets examine some video footage of these explosions. A few of these downloads may take a while, but are worth it if you are not yet convinced…
NORTH TOWER COLLAPSE (MPEG 4.3 MB)
This footage was shot by a camera mounted on a tripod. Notice how, moments before the collapse, the ground shakes for a full 3 seconds. This was the very same vibration I felt right before the towers fell!
THE SMOKING GUN OF WTC # 6
Now look at the scene below. This footage is the smoking gun evidence which shows one of the explosions going off moments before the collapse of the South Tower. (Note: this animated GIF is roughly 1 MB and may take a while to load for you dial-up users)

A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World Trade Center 6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, although no national newspaper, other than American Free Press, has written a word about it.
Before the smoke had cleared from around the stricken South Tower, a mysterious explosion shot 550 feet into the air above the U.S. Customs House at WTC 6.
FEMA has stated that there was "no data collection" from WTC #6. Interesting that without collecting any data they still managed to put together the official story that this building was destroyed by rubble from the collapse of the North Tower. But if so then one would expect to see the remains of the building covered by rubble. Instead we see a huge crater. Here is a closer look at WTC #6 after it was demolished.

You have now seen photographic and video evidence of the explosions, but if you still have doubts, I saved the best part for last...
OWNER OF WTC ADMITS EXPLOSIVES WERE USED!
Listen to this PBS interview with Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC, describing how he had Building #7 demolished!
MP3 of Silverstein “Pull It”
(The Fire Department) were not sure that they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we´ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. They made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse
In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with explosives.
Silverman is talking about how a decision was made between him and the New York Fire Department to 'Pull' the building. And there is no doubt the meanings of his words, captured in context. He is admitting on public TV that a decision was made between him and the NYFD to use a controlled demolition to fell WTC 7 on 911. And all of this AFTER the official FEMA report, costing millions said otherwise, and they had all the experts.
In order to appreciate the severity of this evidence, you must first understand that demolishing a building is not something you can do in a few minutes by tossing explosives into a basement. It actually takes days of planning. First you have to pinpoint all the load-bearing structures, then you have to wire everything and set the cutting charges so they all go off in a pre-destined order. Which means that this demolition was planned long before 9-11!
Here is the footage of WTC 7 getting "pulled". Click on the image to view a close-up video of the explosive charges shooting up the building.

The official story to this day is that WTC 7 fell because of fire., just like Towers 1 & 2.
But we all know that “official” does not always mean “true”!
So now you have to ask yourself...

Why would this man destroy his own buildings?
Six months before the attacks on the World Trade Center, the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion 6 weeks before 911. But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate prize the Silverstein Group might have been led to believe. The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.
The attacks on 9/11 changed the picture. Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, seperate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.
As reported in The Washington Post, the insurance company, Swiss Re, has gone to court to argue that the 9/11 disaster was only one attack, not two and that therefore the insurance payout should be limited to $3.55 billion, still enough to rebuild the complex.
The destruction of the World Trade Towers may make Silverstein one of the wealthiest men alive.
COMMON SENSE
The towers fell in roughly 10 seconds, that is, that they fell at about the same rate that an object falls through air.
The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.
Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors.
The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years. This just doesn't happen, unless, of course, the lower part of the building has lost its structural integrity (And this is usually due to the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as seen in controlled demolitions).
You have seen the evidence. The footage, the eyewitness reports, the seismographs, the infrared shots, the molten steel. They all point to one thing…
The World Trade Center was not destroyed by terrorists. It was a controlled demolition, an inside job!
FEMA CLAIMS IGNORANCE
While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests.
Dr. W. Gene Corley, who investigated for the government the cause of the fire at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing, headed the FEMA-sponsored engineering assessment of the WTC collapse. Corley told AFP that while some tests had been done on the 80 pieces of steel saved from the site, he said he did not know about tests that show if an explosion had affected the steel. "I am not a metallurgist," he said.
SELLING THE EVIDENCE OVERSEAS
Much of the structural steel from the WTC was sold to Alan D. Ratner of Metal Management of Newark, New Jersey, and the New York-based company Hugo Neu Schnitzer East. Ratner, who heads the New Jersey branch of the Chicago-based company, quickly sold the WTC steel to overseas companies, reportedly selling more than 50,000 tons of steel to a Shanghai steel company known as Baosteel for $120 per ton. Ratner paid about $70 per ton for the steel. Other shipments of steel from the WTC went to India and other Asian ports.
So why have you not heard of this until now? Where is the media coverage? The public outrage?
WITNESSES SILENCED BY GOVERNMENT
Can you say "repression"?
NEW YORK COURT CENSORS TESTIMONIES OF 911
(1) denied the motion of nine family members of persons who died on 9/11 for leave to intervene as petitioners (Family Members), and
(2) directed disclosure of the oral histories albeit redacted to delete the employees' personal expressions of feelings, opinions and recommendations.
…Not falling within the intra-agency exception are the personal expressions of feelings contained in the oral histories, and we accordingly modify to direct disclosure of such expressions.
In other words, if a firefighter who was interviewed said, "I heard what sounded like explosions and I think it was bombs that took down those towers, it was all so horrible", the press will merely get the portion that says: "it was all so horrible".
There is more..
(3) directed disclosure of the 911 tapes and transcripts albeit redacted to delete the opinions and recommendations of respondent's employees, and further redacted to delete the words of 911 callers other than those related to the Family Members, unanimously modified, on the law, to grant the motion to intervene, and to direct disclosure of respondent's employees' personal expressions of feeling contained in the oral histories, and otherwise affirmed, without costs.
Translation for you non-lawyer types: The transcripts of tapes of the calls that people made to 911 on that day will not be released at all because the Court said they would invade the privacy of the surviving families - even though surviving family members indicated to the Court that they waived such rights to privacy.
There is one higher court in New York that this decision could be appealed to, the Court of Appeals, but I have seen no reports on whether the New York Times plans on appealing it. These same records will not even make it to the 9-11 Commission without deletions.
So much for justice for all! But the testimonies, the evidence and the truth are still there. All you have to do is search for them!
CONCLUSION
I understand that all this proof will only spawn more questions…
Why was this done?
Who was behind it?
What about the terrorists?
But alas, with my approach of leaving no stone unturned, the answers to these questions deserve posts of their own...

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Heres one with lots of links

German Intel Agent
Von Bulow Solves 911
By Jon Carlson
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11-5-5

Four months after 9/11 to the chagrin of the US Government former German Intelligence Minister Von Bulow spilled the 9/11 beans in an interview in the German daily newspaper, Tagesspiegel:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html
On January 22, 2004, Andreas Von Bulow was interviewed on the Canadian radio show Cloak and Dagger. Prior to that show this writer had sent photos and analysis of 9/11 to the Cloak. Reading on their website of the upcoming show with Von Buelow, the producer Nelson Thall was asked for Von Bulow's email address so the 9/11 photos could be sent to Von Buelow. Thall replied that he couldn't supply the email address but he said the photos would be emailed to Von Bulow. Here is that email reply:
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:16:35 -0500
From: Nelson Thall nthall@mojoradio.com
To: winnybar@excite.com
Subject: RE: 9/11 photographic evidence
I don't have the authority to give it out. But I can assure you that I will send it to him directly.
Lenny Bloom and Sherman Sholnick are the interviewers on the show. Sherman Sholnick wrote: He (von Bulow) told how 9-11 was a U.S. home-grown product, terrorism falsely blamed onto Arabs and orchestrated by the highest level of the U.S. Government/Military/American CIA.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040205110729/www.themedianews.com/
DAGGER/Front+Page/MIDDLE_FINGER/MFN+214+++.htm
A partial transcript with links to audio segments::
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/_pre-dec/bulow/new_page_1.htm
The Von Bulow interview provided conclusive evidence that the Bush administration was behind 9/11. The CLOAK patriots started running a moving headline on their website:
"Bush Cartel Murdered New Yorkers In Cold Blood." WITHIN A WEEK their radio show with the highest rating in the time-slot was CANCELLED. Producer Nelson Thall claims the Al Gore office said Bush met Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Mexico and made the CLOAK BAN a part of an oil concessions contract, a violation of the First Admendment.
OF COURSE, this information from Al Gore's office implies that Gore knew all about 9/11, is part of the Democratic Party Coverup of 9/11, and has done nothing to tell the American people. Even worst in speeches he says Arab terrorists were behind 9/11. Placing Zionist Joe Liebermann on the 2000 Ticket shows where his sympathies lie. EVEN WORST Gore by not responding to the CLOAK's call for help has allowed the Bush administration to TRAMPLE America's media as none of them is willing to take a Bush Attack. View Bill White's letter at http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ saying the attack on Valerie Plame and her husband was just standard operating procedure for the Bushes. That letter is copied below.
2008 Presidential Candidate Karl Schwarz says it is time to take back America from the Democrats and Republicans that has trashed America for their own financial gain. GNN posted his recent message at http://devilsavocado.gnn.tv/. More at www.karlschwarz2008.com and www.karlschwarz.com.
Von Bulow was also interviewed by American patriot Alex Jones. An important excerpt:
AvB: ...one has to get the whole proof. But the problem is that the elements for proof are destroyed...You will find them (the evidence) in Japanese cars and in ships of the American NAVY.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
The RENSE article, On 9/11 An Ill Wind Blew to Booker School, explains how the need for the WTC smoke plume was the key to triggering 9/11:
http://www.rense.com/general63/wte.htm
In this photo the RED ARROW across Brooklyn shows the NW wind directed WTC smoke plume:
The Bell 212 military helicopter has sufficient fuel for 3 hours operation so time is of the essence. It headed for its South Tower position just after the NT crash set off charges to ignite barrels of crude oil in the NT to create a smoke plume an orchardist would be proud of.
It is a safe assumption that its base, USS George Washington, was located 50-75 miles from Manhattan Island so it consumed about an hour's worth of fuel getting to the South Tower and carrying out its mission to remote control the incoming Boeing 737 airliner into the South Tower.

A Different perspective:
On 9/12 USA Today reported Aircraft Carrier USS George Washington was anchored off Long Island. Long Island is about 110 miles long and 30 miles across its widest point:
In addition to the aircraft carrier USS George Washington standing watch off Long Island and the carrier USS John F. Kennedy at an undisclosed location further off the East Coast, the Navy was moving several cruisers and destroyers out of port in Norfolk, Va., headquarters for the Atlantic Fleet.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/
military-navy-deployment.htm
The Navy reports NORAD was involved in 9/11 as they direct aircraft carriers:
The Atlantic Ocean, Sept. 12, 2001 - An E-2C Hawkeye attached to Carrier Airborne Early Squadron One Two Five (VAW-125) launches from the flight deck of USS George Washington (CVN 73). The Norfolk, Va.-based aircraft carrier is patrolling the coastline off New York City, providing air defenses for the city while waiting for additional tasking from the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD).
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/image-cv28.html
So America had an aircraft carrier full of jet airplanes stand down just off Manhattan Island!
The Atlantic Ocean, Sept. 13, 2001 - The aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67) takes on fuel during an underway replenishment at sea (RAS) with the Military Sealift Command ship USNS John Lenthall (T-AO 189). Coming alongside Lenthall is the cruiser USS Hue City (CG 66). Kennedy and elments of her battle group got underway shortly after the September 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/image-cv28.html
Months of preparations are required to get ships battle-ready but ships are ready to go on a moment's notice?
The Atlantic Ocean, Sept. 15, 2001 - An Aviation Boatswain's Mate directs an F/A-18 Hornet from Strike Fighter Squadron Three Four (VFA 34) into launching position on the flight deck of USS George Washington (CVN 73). The carrier is providing air defense to New York City while awaiting tasking from the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) in the aftermath of the World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist attacks.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/image-cv29.html
ALSO:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/16/military-home-front.htm
Knowing that the CIA and the US Navy carried out 9/11 makes the hysteria apparent in those US Today articles seem like a Keystone Cops production. Indeed 9/11 was the most horrific mass murder in American History CARRIED OUT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS!
Norfolk, Va., July 26, 2001 - USS George Washington (CVN 73) sails down the Elizabeth River past Norfolk's Waterside enroute to its homeport of Norfolk Naval Station following a six-month scheduled repair and maintenance period at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Portsmouth, Va. All ready for the necessary NW wind, clear day weather conditions to trigger the WTC Mass Murder.


FROM:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/image-cv27.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/16/military-home-front.htm
The military helicopter consumed another hour's worth of fuel as it waited 59 minutes before setting off the demolition charges to bring the South Tower down:
NBC News has another view. NBC News is sitting on millions of dollars worth of videos that its News helicopter took of the South Tower helicopter action. NBC is owned by GE a prime benefactor of the 9/11 Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq:
With audience attention on the ST demolition the military helicopter slips out the rear exit stagedoor with only an hour's worth of fuel to make base:
The 35 foot long White Jet probably used the Aircraft Carrier as its base. It would be a simple matter to land such a small aircraft on the George Washington 4 1/2 acre deck. The White Jet also exited the rear stagedoor using the smoke plume to hide its flight to the South Tower. It probably was in need of refueling. The White Jet's role in the South Tower crash was to remote control a Boeing 737 airliner to Manhattan Island for a handoff to the waiting Military Helicopter which made the final guidance. This photo shows the vapor trail of the White Jet:
The cameras caught the White Jet using the smoke plume to come on stage for its final job of setting off the demolition charges that brought down the North Tower:





The RENSE article, On 9/11 An Ill Wind Blew to Booker School, contains The 911 Nutshell Timeline that, unlike the 911 Timeline that allowed only mainstream media articles from the coverup artists like the NY Times, shows that there is good circumstantial evidence that Bush I was operating in the White House on 9/11:
http://www.rense.com/general63/wte.htm
The Navy apparently is ecstatic over the skyrocketing defense budget from 9/11 as they have named their 10th nuclear-powered aircraft carrier (Cost $4.5 billion each) George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) (keel laying 6 Sept 2003)
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-cv.html
Of course keeping a 600 ship Navy afloat requires a HUGE terror event so the politicians can keep draining the lifeblood out of the American taxpayer. At least BS ARTIST Bush II was able to find a use for one of them, THE PROCLAIMATION THAT THE IRAQ WAR WAS OVER:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/
Get the lowdown on the scoundrels running America. The RENSE article, Dirty Little 9/11 Secrets Exposed
http://www.rense.com/general66/dirt.htm
links to Bush II's college transcript where he barely passed snap courses and mentions that Cheney flunked out of Yale twice.
William Jackson, a Carter Administration official, reports The Publisher and Executive Editor of The New York Times Sanctioned a Cover-up in a Criminal Investigation in the Plame Case:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-e-jackson-jr/
coverup-the-publisher-a_b_9455.html
 

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With another idiot son running the Times, the Coverup of 9/11 is threatening to unravel big time. Ariana Huffington reports on the Times financial free fall:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/
the-postjudy-fallout-wh_b_9460.html
Michelle Malkin has figured out the Times 9/11 Coverup payoff: a new office building on prime real estate for chump change:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33636
Douglas Herman has a message for NY Times readers:
http://www.rense.com/general67/clue.htm
Update on the JFK, Jr. murder allegedly done by the Clintons and Bushes: Witnesses have appeared before a grand jury The original story is at http://www.tomflocco.com/
The Bill White Letter from
www.waynemadsenreport.com:
November 1, 2005
Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Special Counsel
Bond Federal Building
1400 New York Ave. NW, 9th floor
Washington, D.C. 20530
Re: Open Letter
Dear Mr. Fitzgerald,
I am writing to advise you that I have evidence that debunks Bush administration claims that your indictment of Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff is evidence that the outing of CIA undercover agent Valerie Plame was not a conspiracy, but rather an isolated incident carried out by a rouge administration official. I am living proof that both Bush administrations have a sordid history of launching brutal attacks against uncorrupt Americans when the Bushes believe that their political ambitions are in jeopardy. Based on my experience, I can assure you that what the Bush administration did in the Wilson/Plame matter amounts to little more than "business as usual".
As your investigation into the CIA agent outing matter so aptly demonstrates, the Bush Administration routinely employs its intelligence agencies' 3-Ds tactic to cover up when neutral parties stumble upon their dealings. They "Deny" involvement even when confronted with incontrovertible evidence, they attempt to "Discredit" the source of the truthful information, and finally, they attempt to "Divert" attention to some unrelated matter. They hide their activities behind the smoke screen of "national security" whenever an outsider gets too close while access, money and self-serving leaking are used to intimidate and control the news media.
I became a target of this methodology when I stumbled upon illegal dealings between the Bush family, the Saudis and the Israelis in the mid to late 1980's. My former business partner, CIA cutout and W. Bush crony James R. Bath got himself in hot water when he misappropriated over a half million dollars from the Bin Laden family, for whom he served as trustee. Discovery in the litigation threatened to unearth bank records showing the laundering of Bin Laden money through Houston banks, the funneling of funds to Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, and Bath's diversion of Bin Laden money to W. Bush. Politically influenced members of both the Federal and State judiciary who were trying these cases never compelled production of the incriminating banking records or permitted the cases to go to trial. Instead, the compromised judges disposed of the cases by awarding Bath and Bush's bank "death penalty" sanctions and striking my pleadings. I lost my income, my business, my home, my family and nearly all of my personal property because I steadfastly refused to participate in the cover-up. The Harris County District Attorney's office was unwilling to go after the Bushes or the Saudis while FBI, Comptroller of the Currency, and FINCEN investigations were stopped dead in their tracks by Bush political appointees.
Time Magazine reported on one facet of this story in its October 1990 article reporting accusations that W. Bush engaged in insider trading when he dumped his Harken Energy stock just before the price nosedived. The Manhattan District Attorney's office followed up Time's investigation by bringing charges against Saudi banker Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfouz (National Commercial Bank) in the BCCI banking scandal matter. Still, the full story has never been told. Opportunistic judges, who were all-too-willing to ingratiate themselves with the Bush family, covered up for them while complicit lawyers have been rewarded by Bush administration appointments to judgeships and prestigious, career-enhancing positions within governmental agencies.
There is no telling how many others have been the victims of the two Bush Administrations' abuse. While the President blithely dismisses his conduct as "just politics", the unsavory conduct routinely engaged in by he and his staff is making a mockery of our Constitution, diminishing the stature of the United States as the world's "good-guy" and threatening the legitimacy of the rule of law in America. The ability of our Country to survive the damage done by the Bush administration may well depend upon the outcome of your investigation. I sincerely hope that the Office of Special Counsel will be able to rid the Bush White house of each and every occupant who routinely engages in malicious character assassination and stand ready to provide you with any and all evidence in my possession that you deem relevant to your investigation.
Yours truly,
Bill White
Enclosures:
BinLaden trust agreement
Time Magazine article
BinMahfouz indictment
Cc: Office of the Manhattan District Attorney
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http://www.rense.com/general67/911eng.htm
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http://www.rense.com/general67/rest911.htm
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http://www.rense.com/general66/dirt.htm
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http://www.rense.com/general66/ressp.htm
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**Yawn**...wakes up after reading long pointless posts of unmitigated crap written by paranoid idiots.

What's for breakfast? Who shot JFK? Is it still 1955?

I'm glad the conspiracy theorists are happy, it keeps them out of the playgrounds. Have a nice day.
 

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**Yawn**...wakes up after reading long pointless posts of unmitigated crap written by paranoid idiots.

What's for breakfast? Who shot JFK? Is it still 1955?

I'm glad the conspiracy theorists are happy, it keeps them out of the playgrounds. Have a nice day.


I agree with that, who the hell is simple minded enough to believe 19 muslim terrorist were able to do 9-11 on that scale??