Talks Adam Grosser: A new vision for refrigeration

#juan

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Refrigeration is a field I worked in as a designer for over thirty five years and it would appear that this man is a con artist. Thermodynamics don't let things like this happen. The refrigeration tables are not wrong. I've used them for years. Don't invest any money in this thing. This is BS.
 
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Free your mind

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Not says me......Says thermodynamics.....You do the math.


According to Adam Grosser the thermodynamics works and in my opinion if it can help ppl and save the planet all well and good i tend to believe thermodynamics According to Adam Grosser
 

#juan

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Here is the problem. We have this little metal contraption that we can throw on a "cooking fire for thirty minutes. We then cool it for one hour.
We then put it in a three gallon container and it will cool that container to three degrees above freezing, and maintain that temperature for 24 hours
with an ambient temperature of thirty degrees C. That is all fine and dandy but it doesn't give us nearly enough information. How many pounds of meat will
this unit chill over that twenty four hour period for those poor natives? I'm guessing very little and that the container is no ordinary container in that there is likely
very little transmission heat gain so the thirty degree ambient is just about meaningless. With really excellent insulation, a couple pounds of ice would
keep a three gallon container cool for twenty four hours. I guess I'm just a pessimist...
 

Dexter Sinister

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I'm inclined to be doubtful of this. There was very little information in Adam Grosser's talk, and the first thing I noticed was the slide that claimed this thing required no consumables, followed almost immediately by Grosser giving the lie to that, saying it needed a fire. The second thing that struck me was that he specifically said the ammonia refrigeration tables were wrong. They may be, for all I know about it, but ammonia's pretty nasty stuff and was replaced a long time ago in refrigeration applications. It'd have to be a pretty ancient refrigerator to have ammonia as the working fluid, so that doesn't really seem relevant. Absorptive refrigeration does work, and that's what he's talking about in principle, RVs and motor homes often have a propane or LPG-powered unit on board, but generally it's on a much larger scale than that, like using waste heat from a turbine to air condition a building.

And pay close attention to exactly what he said. They've done the calculations and built a prototype that demonstrates intermittent absorptive refrigeration works, but there were no details provided about that prototype machine, how big it was, how efficient it was, what the energy source was, what the working fluid was, nothing. The very first thing he said was that it's a work in process, and almost the last thing he said, as he held up that little gizmo, was that it's the fifth prototype and they're not quite done. In other words, it's not working yet.
 

Tonington

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I know they're fiddling with solar collectors to produce ice. Using "lithium chloride in silica pores" Maggio et al. are producing 20 kg of ice per m2 of solar collector, using 36 kg of adsorbent material.

But this is likely priced way out of the range that the average African person could afford.