Talk to the Indians, not the chiefs
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Invading explorer named the First People "indian" because the dolt thought he was in India. Our aboriginal people are NOT indians.
Dumpthemonarchy has the Indian question of the week didn't you know that?
This is another one of those negative discussions that poses as questioning
a legitimate situation. If you look at what is written about its no more or less of
a problem that is happening in society as a whole.
Most of the native population does not trust the main stream media or the rest
of their fellow citizens and I for one don't blame them. The governments and
the commissions of the past have never lived up to their word on much of
anything.
I think the other problem many people have is that society in general wants to
see a governing system that is just like theirs and the governing system that is
familiar to the natives is much different and always has been. It would be like
asking Canadians to accept the governing system of say, Saudi Arabia, and
that would not meet with the approval of Canadians here.
This is another one of those negative discussions that poses as questioning
a legitimate situation. If you look at what is written about its no more or less of
a problem that is happening in society as a whole.
Most of the native population does not trust the main stream media or the rest
of their fellow citizens and I for one don't blame them. The governments and
the commissions of the past have never lived up to their word on much of
anything.
I think the other problem many people have is that society in general wants to
see a governing system that is just like theirs and the governing system that is
familiar to the natives is much different and always has been. It would be like
asking Canadians to accept the governing system of say, Saudi Arabia, and
that would not meet with the approval of Canadians here.
Hi Elder, nice to see you. Canada's aboriginal people, of whom I know quite a few are mixed about what they prefer to be called. Some insist on Indian, some Indigenous, some aboriginal and some First Nations. I have heard that First Nations holds no legal standing in international law, so some do not like its use. I have also heard that Aboriginal sounds too much like abnormal. I don't think anybody has a problem with indigenous though.
That same "dolt" also proved the world was round. Actually they are "Indians", just as valid as the ones in India, as the ones dubbed "Indians" lived in the West Indies! :lol:
This COULD be a serious problem, on some reserves. BUT, on many, the council is elected, and they work at the whim of their voters, just as any other political body does.
This is a letter to the EDITOR. Has anyone verified that the charges made are true? Has anyone made any attempt to contact the band, and find out what is going on?
Hell no, it's so much easier to just believe whatever fits YOUR prejudices (as CDN Bear has done on this, and so many other topics), and never bother to verify anything at all.
It's about time that the Federal government get out of running the lives of Indians. Let them self-govern to the maximum extent possible, and let them do simple things such as:
1. Determine who is, and who is NOT an Indian
2. Determine who is, and who is NOT a Member of their Tribe and/or Band.
3. Take the money provided by the government, and utilize it for the betterment of the entire tribe/band, instead of following whatever policies the government decides are necessary.
4. Take charge of the educational system on the reserves, with the ability to hire and fire teachers (with NO Unions allowed) for failure to teach, for inability to know the subjects they are teaching, and for failure to pass periodic competency tests.
5. Set up tribal/band constitutions, that spell out who is/is not allowed to vote in any tribal/band election; who is/is not allowed to hold office; what procedures must be utilized to recall any elected official; strict anti-nepotism rules; and placing all pay and benefits improvements subject to approval of the voters at the next election before any such raise, etc. can take effect.
6. The Federal government should provide that all Reserves are Sovereign lands, with the right to police themselves, and anyone else that comes onto tribal lands. This includes traffic regulation, criminal offenses, etc.
7. That reserves are exempt from ALL Provincial laws, only falling under the Federal laws that specifically impact them. That only Courts of Appeal may hear any case decided in a tribal court, and ONLY can rule on matters of law, never on jurisdiction.
8. That any contracts signed with NON-Reserve entities shall be governed by Federal Contract Law (this eliminates the concept of them making contracts, and then interpreting them in the light most favorable to themselves). But, all such contracts that meet Federal standards are enforceable (which helps to limit those who want to rip off the Indians). ALL Federal Pollution Laws/Controls are MANDATORY!
9. Any gambling that is allowed on a reserve WILL be subject to specific Federal gambling taxes (but NOT Provincial ones), but those taxes can never be more than 20% of the NET proceeds. Any dispute between a gambler and the tribe/band must be settled by arbitration, with one arbitrator selected by each party to the dispute, and one from a pool of Federally approved arbitrators. (That way, if someone is denied a huge payout, an independent body that is NOT beholden to anyone can resolve the dispute. Or, if someone gambles a lot of money on a "Marker", and then refuses to pay up, the tribe/band can get their money.)
Set up such a system, and in about 25-35 years, you will have largely self-sustaining Indian Reserves. You would have much better educated Natives, as they would see to it that their schools did the job, or they would fire a lot of the substandard crap teachers they currently have.
In about 35-50 years, the Reserves would become economic powerhouses. They would help drive prosperity in every area where they are located. They would be hiring a LOT of people from outside the reserves, which would benefit the local areas a lot (and bring people into some sparsely settled areas too.
So CDNBear, how about backing something like this?
They CAN manage alcohol sales, etc. Let them police their own, and with the rights would also come the responsibility. I would be willing to bet that under such a system
This is a letter to the EDITOR. Has anyone verified that the charges made are true? Has anyone made any attempt to contact the band, and find out what is going on?
Hell no, it's so much easier to just believe whatever fits YOUR prejudices (as CDN Bear has done on this, and so many other topics), and never bother to verify anything at all.
It's about time that the Federal government get out of running the lives of Indians. Let them self-govern to the maximum extent possible, and let them do simple things such as:
1. Determine who is, and who is NOT an Indian
2. Determine who is, and who is NOT a Member of their Tribe and/or Band.
3. Take the money provided by the government, and utilize it for the betterment of the entire tribe/band, instead of following whatever policies the government decides are necessary.
4. Take charge of the educational system on the reserves, with the ability to hire and fire teachers (with NO Unions allowed) for failure to teach, for inability to know the subjects they are teaching, and for failure to pass periodic competency tests.
5. Set up tribal/band constitutions, that spell out who is/is not allowed to vote in any tribal/band election; who is/is not allowed to hold office; what procedures must be utilized to recall any elected official; strict anti-nepotism rules; and placing all pay and benefits improvements subject to approval of the voters at the next election before any such raise, etc. can take effect.
6. The Federal government should provide that all Reserves are Sovereign lands, with the right to police themselves, and anyone else that comes onto tribal lands. This includes traffic regulation, criminal offenses, etc.
7. That reserves are exempt from ALL Provincial laws, only falling under the Federal laws that specifically impact them. That only Courts of Appeal may hear any case decided in a tribal court, and ONLY can rule on matters of law, never on jurisdiction.
8. That any contracts signed with NON-Reserve entities shall be governed by Federal Contract Law (this eliminates the concept of them making contracts, and then interpreting them in the light most favorable to themselves). But, all such contracts that meet Federal standards are enforceable (which helps to limit those who want to rip off the Indians). ALL Federal Pollution Laws/Controls are MANDATORY!
9. Any gambling that is allowed on a reserve WILL be subject to specific Federal gambling taxes (but NOT Provincial ones), but those taxes can never be more than 20% of the NET proceeds. Any dispute between a gambler and the tribe/band must be settled by arbitration, with one arbitrator selected by each party to the dispute, and one from a pool of Federally approved arbitrators. (That way, if someone is denied a huge payout, an independent body that is NOT beholden to anyone can resolve the dispute. Or, if someone gambles a lot of money on a "Marker", and then refuses to pay up, the tribe/band can get their money.)
Set up such a system, and in about 25-35 years, you will have largely self-sustaining Indian Reserves. You would have much better educated Natives, as they would see to it that their schools did the job, or they would fire a lot of the substandard crap teachers they currently have.
In about 35-50 years, the Reserves would become economic powerhouses. They would help drive prosperity in every area where they are located. They would be hiring a LOT of people from outside the reserves, which would benefit the local areas a lot (and bring people into some sparsely settled areas too.
So CDNBear, how about backing something like this?
They CAN manage alcohol sales, etc. Let them police their own, and with the rights would also come the responsibility. I would be willing to bet that under such a system
Maybe you should start by figuring out what team I'm on. Then learn how to read.
But since you ask. Look up...
Tony Belcourt.
James Gabriel.
Chief Joseph Dedam.
To name a few that just popped into my head.
I agree with some of you suggestions. But like I said, you need to learn how to read. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Comprehension and intelligence are holding medic back.
and btw.....I won't be discussing native issues for a bit. I am toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pissed at the kwantlen first nations right now.
Apparently. It's almost as if he's confusing me for the dumpster and Jimmy.
Mind filling me in?
Wifey is ok with being called "aboriginal" or "native". She doesn't like "indigenous" because she was born Anishinaabe in northern Manitoba, not in a BC clan. "First Nations" is a misnomer. Remains of Clovis people are older than the oldest remains of "First Nations" people (found so far) and the Clovis people came from what is now northern France. Also, it's undecided whether people came here from Siberia, South America, over an ice bridge from Europe to Greenland to here, or from Asia. She thinks it doesn't really matter in the big picture because as far back as has been traced, modern homo sapiens came from southeast Africa some 250,000 years ago.
Friend Cat Thunder, BC Vancouver coastal native, states this when asked what title he prefers:
1st Nations now we are label as 1st Nations.Columbus made a wrong directions and thought he was in India.That's when he called us Indians.
A Cree (plains) friend from Winnipeg told me that the Indian word to them is like the nig... word to those of African descent. He says since I am a white woman (includes white men) I am not allowed to use it as it is demeaning; however, he can apply the term to another native but it is still considered somewhat derogatory.
Apparently in the US most vaguely accept the widely used label of Native American though, essentially, all tribes are N. American due to the fact that they live on the North American continent. I have native blood going back to 16th century as a male anscestor wed a native lady. There is also some black from mother's side for her father was part, or whole, from England and is of Carribean descent.
I do not think pure original genetic lines exist anywhere anymore in any race throughout the world. Each tribe in N. America has their own preference and seem to resist being clumped together as one.
Let the people select their own name/label and then we honour each choice whatever it may be. Preferences will alter radically with each individual across Canada and US.
SOMEWHAT OFF TOPIC: Myself? I suppose I am a mutt! or just plain Canadian 300+ years of generations. Many of our anscestor in 19th and 20th centuries crossed back and forth to and from the States back to Canada so we have relatives all over N. America. Essentially we are ALL North Americans. I am the product of many races: native/english/french/black and these are the only ones we know about. One brother, a US marine, was in the sights of a rifle when he naively crossed a bridge in Alabama in the late 1960s. He was out of uniform with dark, mahogany black skin after a year in Vietnam. He came close to being executed for crossing over onto the white side of the river. Fortunately the murderous bigot noticed, through the rifle sight, that Phil's eyes were startling bright blue so he hesitated and brother lives on to this day. That fellow told my bro how close he came to being killed; he, the shooter, thought it was hilarious. Bro never went back to Georgia again.
1st Nations now we are label as 1st Nations.Columbus made a wrong directions and thought he was in India.That's when he called us Indians.
A Cree (plains) friend from Winnipeg told me that the Indian word to them is like the nig... word to those of African descent. He says since I am a white woman (includes white men) I am not allowed to use it as it is demeaning; however, he can apply the term to another native but it is still considered somewhat derogatory.
Apparently in the US most vaguely accept the widely used label of Native American though, essentially, all tribes are N. American due to the fact that they live on the North American continent. I have native blood going back to 16th century as a male anscestor wed a native lady. There is also some black from mother's side for her father was part, or whole, from England and is of Carribean descent.
I do not think pure original genetic lines exist anywhere anymore in any race throughout the world. Each tribe in N. America has their own preference and seem to resist being clumped together as one.
Let the people select their own name/label and then we honour each choice whatever it may be. Preferences will alter radically with each individual across Canada and US.
SOMEWHAT OFF TOPIC: Myself? I suppose I am a mutt! or just plain Canadian 300+ years of generations. Many of our anscestor in 19th and 20th centuries crossed back and forth to and from the States back to Canada so we have relatives all over N. America. Essentially we are ALL North Americans. I am the product of many races: native/english/french/black and these are the only ones we know about. One brother, a US marine, was in the sights of a rifle when he naively crossed a bridge in Alabama in the late 1960s. He was out of uniform with dark, mahogany black skin after a year in Vietnam. He came close to being executed for crossing over onto the white side of the river. Fortunately the murderous bigot noticed, through the rifle sight, that Phil's eyes were startling bright blue so he hesitated and brother lives on to this day. That fellow told my bro how close he came to being killed; he, the shooter, thought it was hilarious. Bro never went back to Georgia again.
If you say you're North American, aren't you really saying you're white? Your North America means Canada and the USA here, two countries that are mainly white.
Is the Carribean part of North America?
Is the Carribean part of North America?
Yes, as is Mexico and a few others. Were you sick the day they taught that in school?
Then if Mexico is part of North America, they are North Americans too. So Cubans and Fidel Castro are North Americans too. I've never heard of Mexicans or Cubans being referred to as North Americans in the media. Got any links so I can review my lessons on this tiopic?
List of sovereign states and dependent territories in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Do you not know how google works?