Taking Back a Stolen Homeland - Scotland

[hunboldt]

This is like stooping down to play with somebody in a sandbox, but I'll say that your insistence on a technicality has no applicability in real life. If the Queen wanted actual possession of a single acre of Canadian territory, the Canadian government might grant it to her as a courtesy, IF it were not private property or part of a native reserve.

Of course she has the sense not to insist or even ask, lest such a request would lead to the severing of ties with the monarchy by unilateral Canadian democratic desision.

That's how far her "land rights" would extend.

You have a wildly inflated sense of what the monarchy means to Canada. It's a traditional symbolism that Canadians are generally comfortable with and generally like (because it sets us apart from the USA), nothing more. Any attempt by the monarchy to insist on some rights would be simply be met with a legislated end to ties.

Thanks you! Do you have the Channel changer that can take the whole discussion back to Scotland?

 

[taxslave]

Where did I say that all of what is now the USA belonged to the British monarch? If I said it I'm sure you could point it out for me.

I said that huge swathes of North America were claimed for the British monarch BEFORE Canada and USA were even born.

Is "claimed" a british PC term for stolen?

 

[Blackleaf]

Is "claimed" a british PC term for stolen?

Stolen from whom?
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In Commonwealth realms (Canada included), Crown land is an area belonging to the monarch ("the Crown"), the equivalent of an entailed state that passed with the monarchy and could not be alienated from it.

Within Canada, Crown Land is a designated area belonging to the Queen in Right of Canada, the equivalent of an entailed estate that passes with the monarchy and cannot be alienated from it; thus, per constitutional convention, these lands cannot be unilaterally sold by the monarch, instead passing on to the next king or queen unless the sovereign is advised otherwise by the ministers of the Crown.

Crown land - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, in theory, ministers could one day advise the monarch to sell Canada to somebody else.

 

[taxslave]

Come on, you don't want me to embarass you. I'm about to.

So far all you have done is embarrass yourself by claiming that stolen land is somehow legally the property of an unelected inbred foreign head of state. My ancestors were here long before those upstart Europeans even knew North America existed.

 

[Blackleaf]

So far all you have done is embarrass yourself by claiming that stolen land is somehow legally the property of an unelected inbred foreign head of state. My ancestors were here long before those upstart Europeans even knew North America existed.

Okay then. Seeing as you are so concerned by the British having "stolen" Canada off the Native Indians why don't you start a petition calling for all Canadians of non-Native Indian descent to move to the homelands of Canada and give Canada back to the Native Indians?

Go on. You can always do it on the Britrish Government's e-petition website. I'll do it for you, if you like.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So far all you have done is embarrass yourself by claiming that stolen land is somehow legally the property of an unelected inbred foreign head of state. My ancestors were here long before those upstart Europeans even knew North America existed.

Careful, tax. If you get all uppity, Lizzie Two might could send HMS Royal Oak, 74 guns, and Her Majesty's Own Highland Boozeliers to sort your colonial a ss out!

 

[Blackleaf]

Careful, tax. If you get all uppity, Lizzie Two might could send HMS Royal Oak, 74 guns, and Her Majesty's Own Highland Boozeliers to sort your colonial a ss out!

If he had his way the vast majority of the people of Canada would be kicked out and sent back to their ancestral European homelands. After all, those people are only their because the British "stole" Canada off the native Americans.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

If he had his way the vast majority of the people of Canada would be kicked out and sent back to their ancestral European homelands. After all, those people are only their because the British "stole" Canada off the native Americans.

Do you have any evidence to support that assertion?

I mean like a quote or something, not what counts as "evidence" for Little Englanders.

 

[hunboldt]

Careful, tax. If you get all uppity, Lizzie Two might could send HMS Royal Oak, 74 guns, and Her Majesty's Own Highland Boozeliers to sort your colonial a ss out!

HMs Royal Oak sits at the Bottom of Scapa Flow, but THANKSANYWAY, because that is in the Orkneys which are Right Next Door to SCOTLAND and we are now back on discussion...:lol:

I'm getting sick of your deliberate refusal to see the facts here




Not anymore



The heart of the Scottish issue is identical to that of Canada (in principle)

NOPE. Read up on PEI settlement history and get back to us...:smile:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

HMs Royal Oak sits at the Bottom of Scapa Flow, but THANKSANYWAY, because that is in the Orkneys which are Right Next Door to SCOTLAND and we are now back on discussion...:lol:

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Not in John Bull's world.

 

[hunboldt]

Not in John Bull's world.

Note that the OP has abandoned the morning Craziness. Scotland has a huge historic problem in that land is held by extended tenancies' , rather than Fee Simple.

 

[Spade]

HMs Royal Oak sits at the Bottom of Scapa Flow, but THANKSANYWAY, because that is in the Orkneys which are Right Next Door to SCOTLAND and we are now back on discussion...:lol:

The Orcadians who are Scandinavians are massing, as we write, near St. Magnus Cathedral in Kirkwall. They are about to secede both from Scotland and from Britain because their blood is neither Pict or Celt, but pure as the Viking snows!

By the way, near Scapa Flow, where Italian prisoners of war plied their genes, the air wafts of Rome.

 

[captain morgan]

She didn't purchase her lands. She inherited them.

Well, here in Canada, and from what I understand is also in the UK - there are taxes that apply to the Capital Gains made on those lands at the point of transaction (inheritance for example).

Now, using the example in Alberta, the primary land(s) are exempt, but to a maximum of 5 acres to represent the 'homestead'. All other lands are taxed on a capital gains basis calculated from the value when the lands were originally acquired (inherited) to the time that they are 'passed on'.

There's a big ole tax bill that the Queen is facing, and assuming that the previous 'owner' that bequeathed the land to her didn't pay the applicable taxes, those monies (plus interest, penalties, etc) are on top.

NOPE. Read up on PEI settlement history and get back to us.

Is the basic principle that Scottish lands were annexed improperly/unfairly or not?

A simple yes or no will do

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Is the basic principle that Scottish lands were annexed improperly/unfairly or not?

A simple yes or no will do

Or perhaps a simple "Aye, laddie" or "Nae, mon."

 

[Blackleaf]

Do you have any evidence to support that assertion?

I mean like a quote or something, not what counts as "evidence" for Little Englanders.

Well because he's of the opinion that Britain "stole" Canada off the Native Americans, and he wants it returned to the Native Americams, that would mean the vast majority of Canadians - bar the Native Americans - being kicked out of Canada and sent back to their ancestral homelands.

You can't have it both ways. You can't complain that British settlers stole Canada off the Native Indians but, at the same time, still allow the descendants of those settlers to still live there.

It's just like the Americans complaining about the British presence in what became the USA. If they are so concerned by it why don't they leave the USA and give it all back to the Native Americans?

 

[hunboldt]

Well, here in Canada, and from what I understand is also in the UK - there are taxes that apply to the Capital Gains made on those lands at the point of transaction (inheritance for example).

Now, using the example in Alberta, the primary land(s) are exempt, but to a maximum of 5 acres to represent the 'homestead'. All other lands are taxed on a capital gains basis calculated from the value when the lands were originally acquired (inherited) to the time that they are 'passed on'.

There's a big ole tax bill that the Queen is facing, and assuming that the previous 'owner' that bequeathed the land to her diodn't pay the applicable taxes, those monies (plus interest, penalties, etc) are on top.




Is the basic principle that Scottish lands were annexed improperly/unfairly or not?



A simple yes or no will do

Sorta kinda. PEI was an initial attempt to transport YEER OLDE SCOTS feudal system to Canada. the Lairds were eventually bought out. as part of the Confederation deal.
Ye unwashed peasants ( that's us) hopped the Northumberland strait and pole axed the 'chassers'. End of the Blackleaf experiments.
Studied it decades ago.
My Great Grams, Irish peasant PEI jumper polaxing the Lairds agents:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well because he's of the opinion that Britain "stole" Canada off the Native Americans, and he wants it returned to the Native Americams, that would mean the vast majority of Canadians - bar the Native Americans - being kicked out of Canada and sent back to their ancestral homelands.

That doesn't follow. I know lots of white people who live on Indian land. I realise this is hard to understand when you've never been beyond the borders of Tunbridge Wells, but Indians and whites actually intermingle in the colonies. And some people even live on land they don't own.

You can't have it both ways. You can't complain that British settlers stole Canada off the Native Indians but, at the same time, still allow the descendants of those settlers to still live there.

Why not? The Irish complained that the English stole vast tracts of Ireland from them, yet upon achieving independence, they didn't generally dispossess the English landowners.

Your grasp of history is remarkably weak. And your ability to construct an argument is laughable.

 

[Spade]

Well because he's of the opinion that Britain "stole" Canada off (sic) the Native Americans, and he wants it returned to the Native Americams (sic), that would mean the vast majority of Canadians - bar the Native Americans - being kicked out of Canada and sent back to their ancestral homelands.

I am afraid, as many "Native Americans" are now blond and blue eyed, and if not, many of their ancestors were, the Kingdom of Canada and those United States would be empty.

 

[Blackleaf]

That doesn't follow. I know lots of white people who live on Indian land. I realise this is hard to understand when you've never been beyond the borders of Tunbridge Wells, but Indians and whites actually intermingle in the colonies. And some people even live on land they don't own.

For one, I've never been to Tunbridge Wells.

And two, this guy thinks Britain "stole" Canada from the Native Americans. So why doesn't he campaign for Canada to be RETURNED to the Native Americans and for those 30-odd million or so non-native Canadians - most of whom are the descandants of British settlers - be sent back to the homelands of their ancestors?

Why not? The Irish complained that the English stole vast tracts of Ireland from
them, yet upon achieving independence, they didn't generally dispossess the
English landowners.

I don't care what the Irish think. They stole British lands first.

 

[captain morgan]

I don't care what the Irish think. They stole British lands first.

So, it's only meet and right that they steal it back then