Svend making a comeback?

[Calberty]

Sure we can continue. Are you God?

Why do the misdeeds of one individual make another individual less of a thief? Could you explain why Sven, while an MP, was more justified in stealing a multi-thousand dollar ring, and was charged with thievery and this is of less importance because 'two wrongs make a right'?

The NDP's philosophy: "there are lots of crooks so we can run a crook for office too".

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Svend making a comeba

My god you Conservatives are scared of your own shadows aren't you? Svend (you could at least try to get the name right) made a mistake because he had a verified mental illness. He has received the same punishment that other Canadians in his position would have received. He has sought treatment for his illness. Now he is running for office once again and his constituents will decide if they want him or not.

You don't live in his riding. You don't get a say in whether he gets to return to Ottawa or not. Apparently that really pisses you off so you've decided to spam the board, making the same stupid accusations in everry one of your posts.

 

[Jay]

Why do the misdeeds of one individual make another individual less of a thief? Could you explain why Sven, while an MP, was more justified in stealing a multi-thousand dollar ring, and was charged with thievery and this is of less importance because 'two wrongs make a right'?

The NDP's philosophy: "there are lots of crooks so we can run a crook for office too".

It sure isn't going to win the NDP any votes in my neck of the woods.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Svend making a comeba

You'd be surprised, Jay. Svend is quite popular when it comes to those concerned with human rights (especially, but not exclusively gays issues) and the environment.

While he won't get you seats out there, his presence will attract some votes (at $1.70 a piece) and give the NDP more of the popular vote.

 

[neocon-hunter]

RE: Svend making a comeba

Wow sure a lot of live ones in this thread. :roll:

Man are all right wingers so heartless and unforgiving? The guy screwed up, who does not screw up? I don't see why he should be raked over the coals continually for the "ring" incident. It makes no sense to me.

Give the guy a break. At least it is not as bad as Harpers cronies who let Lakeside get away with ripping off farmers over the beef.

 

[Calberty]

Poor Svend. How he has suffered. He gets sent on a taxpayer-funded trip to Scotland as a political representative of Canada despite no longer being a Member of Parliament. In just three years, at age 55, Robinson will collect an $86,663 yearly pension for his time spent in our service. He steals a ring and the poor dear gets hired by the B.C. Government and Service Employees Union to settle unresolved grievances by public employees. I wonder if any of them might involve theft?


Svend is a convicted thief.

 

[neocon-hunter]

RE: Svend making a comeba

Well, he recieved an absolute discharge so he has no record. Svend has done a lot of good.

I do not think any union members were involved in theft. Why do you keep posting such silly things?

He was also an MP for 25 years, so that pension is not out of line, hell Joe Clark probably gets as much.

 

[peapod]

No its not, he was caught, he pledge guilty, the judge made his decision, if you don't like it, take it up with the judge. And I guess if you say bi-polar is not a illness, don't you think you should inform the medical establishment of your findings. Your not the judge jury or the executioner, so just keep eating your sour grapes.

 

[no1important]

RE: Svend making a comeba

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Poor Svend. How he has suffered. He gets sent on a taxpayer-funded trip to Scotland as a political representative of Canada despite no longer being a Member of Parliament.

So?

 

[peapod]

Exactly important, talk about obession and sour grapes, sure sounds like something else is bugging him :wink:

 

[coldstream]

Homophobic dribble.

I don't FEAR homosexuals. I just know they are dealing with a psychological and moral illness. They can be cured, if they had a desire for it.. but many choose to live futile, humiliated and degraded lives instead. That's their call.. not mine. :? It is our poblem if we give any kind of credibility to such a bad decision, which sends completely the wrong message to children dealing with the normal gender confusion of puberty.. and weakens the fundamental social institution of our country.

 

[peapod]

I know you'd like to thank your shit don't stank
But lean a little bit closer
See that roses really smell like boo-boo
Yeah, roses really smell like boo-boo

 

[Reverend Blair]

I just know they are dealing with a psychological and moral illness.

Can you supply valid, modern scientific proof that it is a psychological illness? Homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness, but it has not been considered that for decades. The science didn't support the diagnosis.

The is no such thing as a moral illness, so you have nothing to prove there.

They can be cured, if they had a desire for it.. but many choose to live futile, humiliated and degraded lives instead.

Can you supply valid, modern scientific proof that they can be "cured" of their homosexuality?

 

[no1important]

Homophobic dribble.

I don't FEAR homosexuals. I just know they are dealing with a psychological and moral illness. They can be cured, if they had a desire for it.. but many choose to live futile, humiliated and degraded lives instead. That's their call.. not mine. :? It is our poblem if we give any kind of credibility to such a bad decision, which sends completely the wrong message to children dealing with the normal gender confusion of puberty.. and weakens the fundamental social institution of our country.

Futile? Degraded? Humiliated lives? Gender confusion?

What planet are you from? That is such a silly thing to say.

How does tolerance and understanding show the wrong message to children? Your hate and intolerance towards homosexuals shows the wrong message.

 

[coldstream]

It's a sign of a society racked with pessimism and confusion, when something as clearly misery inducing as homosexualilty, is developed into some kind of genetic paradigm, or healthy living choice. It is neither. The homosexual community itself coined the phrase "show me a happy homosexual, and i'll show you a gay corpse". The neuroses of the homosexual lifestyle are well known. I've given links to websites that deal with the curability of homosexuality in a lot of forums.. and i'm tired of giving them. You can find them yourself with a simple google search. My experience has been its like spitting into the wind.

Any society, from those of ancient Rome and Greece.. to those of cafe society in Berlin in the 1930s.. which 'normalizes' homosexuality.. is a society in deep distress.. on the verge of collapse. Unfortunately this culture of death and confusion has taken over the legislative pallette of Western Civilization. The West can collapse too, there are signs of it everywhere, from our willingness to accept psuedo sciences, including neo-liberal economics.. and Darwinism (positivism) as a government institutionalized religion.. right down to Svend Robinson.. and homosexuality is only one aspect of his failed character.

I really don't care what choices people make regarding their sexuality, providing it's amongst consenting adults.. but I do have a problem with portraying perversion as normal, in our children's eyes.

 

[no1important]

RE: Svend making a comeba

Homosexuality is not perversion. You can not cure homosexuality.

Just as I thought the sites I found by the way, that said they could "cure homosexuality" were from radical right wing religious ones.

But they were good for an early morning laugh though.

 

[Colpy]

It's a sign of a society racked with pessimism and confusion, when something a clearly misery producing as homosexualilty, is developed into some kind of genetic paradigm, or healthy living choice. It is neither. I've given links of of the curability of homosexuality in a lot of forums.. and i'm tired of giving them. You can find them yourself with a simple google search.

Any society, from those of ancient Rome and Greece.. to those of cafe society in Berlin in the 1930s.. which 'normalizes' homosexuality.. is a society in deep distress.. on the verge of collapse. Unfortunately this culture of death and confusion has taken over the legislative pallette of Western Civilization. The West can collapse too, there are signs of it everywhere, form our willingness to accept psuedo sciences, including neo-liberal economics.. and Darwinism (positivism) as a government institutionalized religion.. right down to Svend Robinson.. and homosexuality is only one aspect of his failed character.

I really don't care what choices people make regarding their sexuality, providing it's amongst consenting adults.. but I do have a problem with portraying perversion as normal, in our children's eyes.

This is baloney.

For one thing, homosexuality is not "curable", as it is not a disease. The sexuality of any person falls somewhere on a spectrum from heterosexuality to homosexuality. The "curability" of homosexuality is simply those who fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum making new and different choices. Some people simply don't have that option.

As for your historical arguments, you should really read some history. Phillip of Macedon was bisexual, and Alexander the Great was a homosexual. Far from overseeing the downfall of Greek culture and dominance, they created the conditions for the rise of Greece to the pre-eminent power on earth.

Svend's failed character has little to do with his homosexuality, it has to do with his sense of entitlement.

I would prefer it if everyone was Ozzie or Harriet as well, but it ain't so.

 

[coldstream]

Homosexuality is a contrived psychological condition. The psychiatric associations had it correctly identified as a pathology in the 1950s, usually associated with lack of assimilation of a sexual identity.. but certainly not limited to that. Those associations ultimately caved in to political correctness fascists, but they had it right. It is psychiatric condition due ENTIRELY to environmental conditions in childhook and adolescence. It is associated with unresolved infantile fixations. It can be cured in ANYONE.. PROVIDING there is an honest desire to do so.

Homosexual relationships are always based on POWER, not on love. They are founded in dominance and submission. Hence the moral implications. That is simply the truth, you can fill your head with confusing and contradictory data.. but that you still have to deal with what is true.. and that is available to anyone with an iota of common sense and introspection.

Homosexuality has been with us throughout recorded history. It probably makes up about 2% of the adult population as a committed and active lifestyle. As a transitory predilection, often in adolescence, or as a result of some psychological trauma, or as a latent tendency, it exists in a larger percentage.. but certainly not above 10%. But you would likely not call the latter homosexuals, as you would not with the phenomenon of bisexuality.

The sheer lack of clarity and distinction should show you that this is ONLY a BEHAVIOUR. And therefor special 'civil rights' statutes, beyond those that hold for the general population, should not apply. That is, unless your society is in a state of moral bankruptcy.

Such a confused and degenerative psychological condition in any one, should be seen a making him or her UNFIT for public office. BUT not for prosecution, if it is a matter of consensual adult relationships.

btw. Homosexuality was well known in Greece. In Sparta it was institutionalized in the military, and of course Sparta finally fell to its rival, Athens. There was also aristocratic homosexuality between men and boys. But this was looked on with repugnance by the common people. (source: Paedia, Greek Classical Culture, Werner Jaeger).

The widespread lack of civil repulsion to homosexuality has historically been a sign of the collapsing moral health of that society or civilization. And any society that loses its sense of moral imperative, especially where that involves the institution of marriage and the practice of sexuality, is a society that is facing a profound reckoning.

 

[SirKevin]

Homophobic dribble.

I don't FEAR homosexuals. I just know they are dealing with a psychological and moral illness. They can be cured, if they had a desire for it.. but many choose to live futile, humiliated and degraded lives instead. That's their call.. not mine. :? It is our poblem if we give any kind of credibility to such a bad decision, which sends completely the wrong message to children dealing with the normal gender confusion of puberty.. and weakens the fundamental social institution of our country.

Gender confusion is normal, but homosexuality is wrong. Strange.

 

[SirKevin]

Homosexuality is a contrived psychological condition. The psychiatric associations had it correctly identified as a pathology in the 1950s, usually associated with lack of assimilation of a sexual identity.. but certainly not limited to that. Those associations ultimately caved in to political correctness fascists, but they had it right. It is psychiatric condition due ENTIRELY to environmental conditions in childhook and adolescence. It is associated with unresolved infantile fixations. It can be cured in ANYONE.. PROVIDING there is an honest desire to do so.

Assuming then that arriving at one's sexual orientation is not something that is objectively predetermined, the exact same could be said for heterosexuality. Things happen -- it's not our place to tell homosexuals to change whether we like homosexuality or not. Homosexuals do not cause to others or to society and therefore should be included in social institutions & structures.

Homosexual relationships are always based on POWER, not on love. They are founded in dominance and submission. Hence the moral implications. That is simply the truth, you can fill your head with confusing and contradictory data.. but that you still have to deal with what is true.. and that is available to anyone with an iota of common sense and introspection.

Dominance & submission? The people of your ideological stripe also beleive this should be the basis of husband-wife relations, so homos can't be that far off, can they be?

If a homosexual chooses to enter into a relationship with another consenting person that is of age, then it isnot our place to pass judgment on the nature of that relationship assuming they cause society no harm & it is our obligation to offer them the similiar protections & rights that we offer other citizens.

And therefor special 'civil rights' statutes, beyond those that hold for the general population, should not apply. That is, unless your society is in a state of moral bankruptcy.

Heh. So, the European countries that habitually make us look silly in the UN's rankings of countries in terms of quality of life & quality of government and society have been in a "state of moral bankruptcy" for decades longer than the us and the Americans have had it right all along, correct?

There was also aristocratic homosexuality between men and boys. But this was looked on with repugnance by the common people. (source: Paedia, Greek Classical Culture, Werner Jaeger).

Homosexuality is fundamentally different than paedophilia -- you could argue that there are "heterosexual" relationships between old men & young girls if you so chose.

The widespread lack of civil repulsion to homosexuality has historically been a sign of the collapsing moral health of that society or civilization.

By your standards of "collapsing morality", we started when they let the women out of the kitchen -- I & most people will compromise al ittle bit of order for a lot of equaltiy any day of the week.