Suzuki slams Canada's immigration policy

[Omicron]

TS who is a Canadian, being brought before a US Southern Baptist judge by a US ACLU lawyer.

You don't think that is dumb?

Canadians get brought before US judges all the time when they're in the states.

The point wasn't on the logistics level of actually extraditing him to the US... it was on the conceptual level of how if that form of thinking were to propagate to Americans, that's the kind of thing that could happen.

Poor Mexican and Central American immigrants without education or skills can only improve their lives through good paying jobs that come from resource development. This is something environmentalists didn't think about. Poor immigrants will change the environmental ethos in the United States.

Translation: Let in lots of poor immigrants, and it will accelerate destruction of your environment. Let in enough, and their numbers will force a majority consensus that it's okay to destroy the environment.

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyway, I met the dude. He's a bit of a nut. And I think Grumpy's got a point about Suzuki being a ecological religionist. Like we need more religionists. Still, he does tend to dish out a lot of information.

 

[Omicron]

I guess he forgets his grandparents were immigrants :roll:

He didn't forget, just like he didn't forget how his ethnic-group's land was hijacked during the second world war.

Anyway, I met the dude.

So have I... in fact, I'm friends with his book-keeper.

He's a bit of a nut.

In what way?

And I think Grumpy's got a point about Suzuki being a ecological religionist. Like we need more religionists. Still, he does tend to dish out a lot of information.

To be a "religionist" means basing your opinions on faith, but like you just said, he dishes out a lot of information, because his environmental opinions are based on *facts*, which means he *not* a religionist.

 

[L Gilbert]

He didn't forget, just like he didn't forget how his ethnic-group's land was hijacked during the second world war.

So have I... in fact, I'm friends with his book-keeper.

In what way?

Seems to be off in his own little world sometimes and forgets where he is. So he misses things that most people would see. He and his family are nice people, though. Daughter's pretty, too.

To be a "religionist" means basing your opinions on faith,

... or basin an opinion on faith.

but like you just said, he dishes out a lot of information, because his environmental opinions are based on *facts*, which means he *not* a religionist.

Riiiiiiiiiight. There's no faith that he thinks he's right about everything. No guesswork at all involved. He's a god and knows he is.

 

[Omicron]

Riiiiiiiiiight. There's no faith that he thinks he's right about everything. No guesswork at all involved. He's a god and knows he is.

A fact is a fact, and has nothing to do with faith. Just because you happen to know a fact has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of a situation... it's just a fact.

The only way rightness and wrongness play into the issue of knowing a fact is if someone is hard-set on insisting a fact is not a fact when in fact it is.

 

[L Gilbert]

A fact is a fact, and has nothing to do with faith. Just because you happen to know a fact has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of a situation... it's just a fact.

Yep. So you think Suzuki, the biologist, has all the facts when people actually researching earth sciences are still in the dark about stuff? Get real.

 

[Walter]

Yep. So you think Suzuki, the biologist, has all the facts when people actually researching earth sciences are still in the dark about stuff? Get real.

Skuzuki is a zoologist.

 

[Nuggler]

"Translation: Let in lots of poor immigrants, and it will accelerate destruction of your environment. Let in enough, and their numbers will force a majority consensus that it's okay to destroy the environment."

Bingo !!

Harper's way ahead of that game.

 

[L Gilbert]

Skuzuki is a zoologist.

lmao WTF do ya think a zoologist is trained in? WTF do ya think zoology is branch of?

 

[Walter]

lmao WTF do ya think a zoologist is trained in? WTF do ya think zoology is branch of?

Zoology.

 

[L Gilbert]

Zoology.

Zoology is a branch of biology. Jeeeezez

 

[Walter]

Zoology is a branch of biology. Jeeeezez

I like specificity.

 

[L Gilbert]

I like specificity.

So? Still doesn't mean Suzuki's not a biologist.

 

[Omicron]

Yep. So you think Suzuki, the biologist, has all the facts when people actually researching earth sciences are still in the dark about stuff? Get real.

He doesn't quote stuff that can't be stated as a fact.

 

[BaalsTears]

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Translation: Let in lots of poor immigrants, and it will accelerate destruction of your environment. Let in enough, and their numbers will force a majority consensus that it's okay to destroy the environment.

Drop the word LET. They're here. The die is cast already. All Latino members of the California Assembly and Senate voted in favor of fracking. Culture is destiny.

 

[Zipperfish]

I like specificity.

Say that after five beers. :lol: thpethefickity

 

[Angstrom]

At the core of radical environmentalism is the concept of humans as a predatory and malevolent pestalence on the natural order of things. For someone like Suzuki... who conceives of a utopian world of perhaps 5% of the world's current population.. living in environmenally neutral, industrially inert villages.. on vegetarian diets harvested from untrammelled wilderness (as certainly such world would be incapable of supporting any more people).. and all of course carefully indoctrinated with true submission to the Earth Goddess.. it's not surprising he find just about anything that supported the people or an industrial economy repugnant.

Yes..
To us it is perfectly natural that we turn this planet into one great big city parking lot.
Why would we want to do anything different?

 

[Walter]

Yes..
To us it is perfectly natural that we turn this planet into one great big city parking lot.
Why would we want to do anything different?

Is that what you want? That's not what conservatives want.

 

[taxslave]

All Canadians ancestors are immigrants to North America. So what's your point?? We now should have an open door policy and let everyone else in??

I'm all limits on immigration, particularly for those countries with ties to terrorism.

Speak for your own white boy. mine have been here a few thousand years.

At the core of radical environmentalism is the concept of humans as a predatory and malevolent pestalence on the natural order of things. For someone like Suzuki... who conceives of a utopian world of perhaps 5% of the world's current population.. living in environmenally neutral, industrially inert villages.. on vegetarian diets harvested from untrammelled wilderness (as certainly such world would be incapable of supporting any more people).. and all of course carefully indoctrinated with true submission to the Earth Goddess.. it's not surprising he find just about anything that supported the people or an industrial economy repugnant.

Except for the various fossil fuel burning devices that get him to protests around the world and to his estate on Quadra island.
What most of the save the planet types fail to realize is that they are the least suited of all people to live a subsistence lifestyle with no social security net.

 

[Angstrom]

Is that what you want? That's not what conservatives want.

Look at google map right now... We already are at the, one big city parking lot point, take a trip anywhere on earth and zoom in.
It's not what any of us want when you formulate it in the way I did in my last post, sure.

But it's the result of what we are doing none of the less.
So yes, it is what we want in a inconvenient way.

That's what Suzuki understands, and what people that don't understand Suzuki don't understand.
There is to many humans. That is simply the problem.

If there was as many bears as humans on earth, that would be a problem too.
We don't see it as a problem, cause we are biased in favour of humans.