Stupid 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
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aeon said:
You didn't even bother to read the 9 pages because it proves you're 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Wrong! Keep grasping at straws sport because with the Pentagon Video being released it's not looking like a good day for Conspiracy Theory Moonbats. Keep believing those 9/11 Conspiracy Theories! :lol:
9/11: Debunking The Myths
PopularMechanics.com
Published in the March, 2005 issue.
Excerpt:
FALSE WITNESS: Conspiracy theorists claim this photo "proves" the 9/11 attacks were a U.S. military operation.
FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?
Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.
Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.
To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.
In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.--THE EDITORS
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y
To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.
They must be on the Bush payroll hmm?
Johnny Utah said:
You didn't even bother to read the 9 pages because it proves you're 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Wrong! Keep grasping at straws sport because with the Pentagon Video being released it's not looking like a good day for Conspiracy Theory Moonbats. Keep believing those 9/11 Conspiracy Theories! :lol:
Come on jhonny, now admit you were wrong on 2 facts, only if you are a real man, arent you?
You brought one fact from PM, which they use ASCE report to prove their point, when in fact, in the ASCE report, doesnt even mention what PM claim, nice try.
Is that a personal attack? The only person who is wrong is you, I have proved you wrong more times then I can count. Give up you Lose Sport! Pwned!aeon said:Johnny Utah said:
You didn't even bother to read the 9 pages because it proves you're 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Wrong! Keep grasping at straws sport because with the Pentagon Video being released it's not looking like a good day for Conspiracy Theory Moonbats. Keep believing those 9/11 Conspiracy Theories! :lol:
Come on jhonny, now admit you were wrong on 2 facts, only if you are a real man, arent you?
You brought one fact from PM, which they use ASCE report to prove their point, when in fact, in the ASCE report, doesnt even mention what PM claim, nice try.
Johnny Utah said:
AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon’s lawn--proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y
Oh Look Bush must have placed that piece of the plane there himself, or was it Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld? :roll:
Come on , jhonny, how come you believe this crap? The 757 was supposed to have been vaporized by the impact and fire,when it hit the pentagone, this thing has not a single scorch mark on it, come on use your logic.
This what a crash plane looks like.
Johnny Utah said:Is that a personal attack? The only person who is wrong is you, I have proved you wrong more times then I can count. Give up you Lose Sport! Pwned!aeon said:Johnny Utah said:
You didn't even bother to read the 9 pages because it proves you're 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Wrong! Keep grasping at straws sport because with the Pentagon Video being released it's not looking like a good day for Conspiracy Theory Moonbats. Keep believing those 9/11 Conspiracy Theories! :lol:
Come on jhonny, now admit you were wrong on 2 facts, only if you are a real man, arent you?
You brought one fact from PM, which they use ASCE report to prove their point, when in fact, in the ASCE report, doesnt even mention what PM claim, nice try.
Show me that right now, i want to see what i have missed,this thread you started is already 3-0 for me.
How in the hell can you compare a plane crash vs a plane that hits the Pentagon? :lol: Talk about desperate, what you think all planes crash the same way? :lol:aeon said:Johnny Utah said:
AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon’s lawn--proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y
Oh Look Bush must have placed that piece of the plane there himself, or was it Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld? :roll:
Come on , jhonny, how come you believe this crap? The 757 was supposed to have been vaporized by the impact and fire,when it hit the pentagone, this thing has not a single scorch mark on it, come on use your logic.
This what a crash plane looks like.
Heads up, look again I changed my post, maybe before in you're rush to be proven wrong you should read it through first.. :roll:
Kind of drawing a few absolutes there aren't you aeon? Are you saying that a plane crash has to show scorch marks? You do realize that due to physics, pieces will be blow outwards by the impact of a crash, therefore now allowing them time to burn. Look at this piece of plane wreckage:
Not all chared is it. Then it musn't have crashed according to you and your absolutes. Plane crashes MUST show char marks right?
Not all chared is it. Then it musn't have crashed according to you and your absolutes. Plane crashes MUST show char marks right?
RE: Stupid 9/11 Conspirac
That there video doesn't really show anything, not going to weigh in too heavy here but if anything, I am SHOCKED that surveillance THAT crappy is all they have to go with, I am still pretty much totally unconvinced that there is NO "cover up" at the very least (and anyone who wants to disagree with me on THAT point, feel free but I will also be surprised if ANYONE with a functioning brain can assert that because of that CRAPPY footage "all facts are on the table and there is NO room for further questions")
In my mind all of the "qualifiers" offered for the pretty much useless "footage" make it even more apparent that there aer a few "known knowns" that are not forthcoming for who knows what reason
That there video doesn't really show anything, not going to weigh in too heavy here but if anything, I am SHOCKED that surveillance THAT crappy is all they have to go with, I am still pretty much totally unconvinced that there is NO "cover up" at the very least (and anyone who wants to disagree with me on THAT point, feel free but I will also be surprised if ANYONE with a functioning brain can assert that because of that CRAPPY footage "all facts are on the table and there is NO room for further questions")
In my mind all of the "qualifiers" offered for the pretty much useless "footage" make it even more apparent that there aer a few "known knowns" that are not forthcoming for who knows what reason
Johnny Utah said:
Seriously what is your problem jhonny?? i proved to you that Popular mechanics arent credible, with the ASCE report which they use to support their claim, which is a lie, cause ASCE report doesnt support what they say about the pentagone hole, READ THE REPORT, I POSTED THE LINK, YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE ON THIS ONE.
Now you show me a picture that supposed to support Popular mechanics claim, but since i have logic, i saw in less than a minute, that It is again a lie, how come a plane that supposed to have been vaporized at the impact, has a part that has no single scortch mark on it??
Answer this time if you are a man with balls, dont try to bring another fact, that i will again debunked in a very easy way.
Re: RE: Stupid 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
A plane that crashed at 400 mph, and is supposed to have been vaporized at the impact, will not appeared like the plane you are showing, quite different situation , don t you think?
Mogz said:Kind of drawing a few absolutes there aren't you aeon? Are you saying that a plane crash has to show scorch marks? You do realize that due to physics, pieces will be blow outwards by the impact of a crash, therefore now allowing them time to burn. Look at this piece of plane wreckage:
Not all chared is it. Then it musn't have crashed according to you and your absolutes. Plane crashes MUST show char marks right?
A plane that crashed at 400 mph, and is supposed to have been vaporized at the impact, will not appeared like the plane you are showing, quite different situation , don t you think?
First video of Pentagon 9/11 attack released
Watchdog group says video will end 'conspiracy theories'
CNN.com
Tuesday, May 16, 2006
Excerpt:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Video showing a plane crashing into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, was released publicly for the first time Tuesday, a judicial watchdog group said.
The Justice Department has handed over tapes showing American Airlines Flight 77 striking the building outside Washington to Judicial Watch, a public interest group that requested the video, the group said.
The video is available on the group's Web site, according to a news release from Judicial Watch.
At least two tapes were released, from different security cameras. The two cameras, from the same Pentagon checkpoint, show the building from different angles. (Watch as the plane slams into the Pentagon -- 3:03)
Previously released still photographs from those cameras show the Pentagon on fire, but no images of the Boeing 757 striking the building have ever been made public.
The video released Tuesday was the source of those still photos.
In one clip, a police car passes in front of the security camera before a ball of flame and smoke erupts from the Pentagon in the background.
"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."
The Pentagon attack killed 184 people: Fifty-three passengers and six crew members on board American Airlines Flight 77, and 125 military and civilian personnel inside the building.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html
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This ends all Conspiracy Theories on the Pentagon, those who still want to debunk, debunk are beating a Dead Horse as their Proved wrong! Case Closed..
Forest of Columns kept Pentagon Standing
Report: Structural system saved lives September 11, 2001
CNN.com
Friday, January 24, 2003
Excerpt:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A forest of steel-reinforced concrete pillars in the Pentagon saved many lives and prevented more serious damage to the building during the attack September 11, 2001, structural engineers said in a report released Friday.
When the hijacked jumbo jet plowed into the Pentagon near ground level, it penetrated 310 feet through the building's outer three rings in less than a second, according to the report by the American Society of Civil Engineers.
That sent debris through the west side of the building like an avalanche, according to the engineers.
The attack killed 189 people -- 64 aboard the aircraft and 125 inside the Pentagon.
"While this loss of life exceeded that of the Oklahoma City bombing, it is very remarkable that it was not worse," said Paul Mlakar, a team leader for the study. The bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, killed 168 people April 19, 1995.
The study gives most of the credit to the engineers who went beyond required standards 60 years ago, when they designed and built the structure as a document warehouse. The Pentagon has served as the nation's military headquarters since the end of World War II.
The Pentagon was built of cast-in-place reinforced concrete, and the floors consisted of a slab, beam and girder system supported on spiral-steel-reinforced columns.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/24/attacks.pentagon/
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Facts are the material of the plane, the speed, the amount of Jet Fuel. The Inner structure of the Pentagon, concrete pillars etc it's all Physics, again case closed..
Re: RE: Stupid 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
I posted this before proving you wrong, I doubt you will not even read the information on this as you never did on the 9 pages in Popular Mechanics site because they prove you wrong. Not all planes crash the same way or are chared the same way after crashing. You don't think when the plane hit the Pentagon pieces of it couldn't have been blown behind it like the pic I posted before?
Do The Math!
Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11aeon said:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
I posted this before proving you wrong, I doubt you will not even read the information on this as you never did on the 9 pages in Popular Mechanics site because they prove you wrong. Not all planes crash the same way or are chared the same way after crashing. You don't think when the plane hit the Pentagon pieces of it couldn't have been blown behind it like the pic I posted before?
Do The Math!
Re: RE: Stupid 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
I read many times, popular mechanics, it only covers 16 facts, and all of them were easily debunked, you brought 3 of their facts, which i proved you were wrong.
The link of a forum you just posted, you should have read it till the end, cause everyone agree that the plane that crashed into the pentagone was a smaller plane, just for for your own information, there is about 175 pages to read.
Now i ask you the same exact question and i know you will not answer, HOW COME POPULAR MECHANICS HAD TO LIE ON ASCE REPORT??
Johnny Utah said:
I read many times, popular mechanics, it only covers 16 facts, and all of them were easily debunked, you brought 3 of their facts, which i proved you were wrong.
The link of a forum you just posted, you should have read it till the end, cause everyone agree that the plane that crashed into the pentagone was a smaller plane, just for for your own information, there is about 175 pages to read.
Now i ask you the same exact question and i know you will not answer, HOW COME POPULAR MECHANICS HAD TO LIE ON ASCE REPORT??
Who debunked Popular Mechanics? What are the credentials of those debunking Popular Mechanics? What is their field of study? Do they have a reputation? Have they done similar investigative work? How many cases like 9/11 or similar have they attempted to analyze? Any answers?
I think not said:
First , dont need to be an expert to debunk popular mechanics, just have to use your common sense
popular mechanics said:
The report by ASCE doesnt even say that the hole in the C-Ring was made by the jet's landing gear, in the report there is no mention on what happened to the plane's engine inside the pentagone.
Read the report by yourself.
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
so now i ask, why popular mechanics has to lie on ASCE report to support their claim??
